Would Fine Gael be happy to lose the next election?

Cicero

It's one thing to be an opposition party- quite something else to be in government.....would Fine Gael be happy to gain or lose a few seats but ultimately prefer that other parties formed a government, leaving them to sit back into "safe" ground and just bark away at whatever party is in power?
I just don't see their ambition or drive coming through...I think they have found a role in opposition and they have grown too used to it..

thebman

Cicero wrote: »

It's one thing to be an opposition party- quite something else to be in government.....would Fine Gael be happy to gain or lose a few seats but ultimately prefer that other parties formed a government, leaving them to sit back into "safe" ground and just bark away at whatever party is in power?
I just don't see their ambition or drive coming through...I think they have found a role in opposition and they have grown too used to it..

I disagree entirely TBH.

FG had no chance to overthrow FF when times were continually good and now a lot of the bad decision making has been done by FF and it has hurt their popularity in the long term.

FG will take power with ease now TBH so there is no need for a sense of urgency. They are definitely being aware of the markets and having to let the budget be passed or else for Ireland I think and are so just waiting for the right time to pounce.

We are in a much worse position than it appears and FG know this. Now is not the time for political point scoring, FF must be let pass this budget then they can push for an election to take place.

unit 1

thebman wrote: »

I disagree entirely TBH.

FG had no chance to overthrow FF when times were continually good and now a lot of the bad decision making has been done by FF and it has hurt their popularity in the long term.

FG will take power with ease now TBH so there is no need for a sense of urgency. They are definitely being aware of the markets and having to let the budget be passed or else for Ireland I think and are so just waiting for the right time to pounce.

We are in a much worse position than it appears and FG know this. Now is not the time for political point scoring, FF must be let pass this budget then they can push for an election to take place.

I think you are right, the idea that any politician let alone party would'nt want to be in power no matter the economic conditions is ludicrous, but it is continually alluded by FF for political gain.

Cicero

unit 1 wrote: »

I think you are right, the idea that any politician let alone party would'nt want to be in power no matter the economic conditions is ludicrous, but it is continually alluded by FF for political gain.

I hear you...and I know it sounds ludicrous....but I really don't think Fine Gael want to be in government after the next election...in 3 years, IF the economy starts coming round- yes, definitely- but not now...

Liam Byrne

Cicero wrote: »

I hear you...and I know it sounds ludicrous....but I really don't think Fine Gael want to be in government after the next election...in 3 years, IF the economy starts coming round- yes, definitely- but not now...

IIRC they took on the torch and did pretty well the last time FF fecked up the country, so hopefully they'll manage that again.

expectationlost

ever get the impression the fine gael is pulling it punches, enda kenny said that dail that he would go to court re the byelections if the writ weren't passed the last time he tried, he didn't, a month later and they still havn't

fg want power but not the blame, which they'll get just like obama

johngalway

expectationlost wrote: »

fg want power but not the blame, which they'll get just like obama

Blame for what

Is that you Tubs?

expectationlost

im not saying the particualrily deserve it (their part in bad planning aside) im saying the reprecussions of ff time will occur in fg time and therefore they'll get the blame.

Rebelheart

johngalway wrote: »

Blame for what

Really, please think about the reality for the Blueshirts if they take over from Fianna Fáil. Do you think they are going to stop the cuts or continue on with them? Be realistic. And when they continue on with them, how long do you think people are going to blame Fianna Fáil alone for their troubles? Be realistic (again).

You don't need to be a genius to know that the civil service runs this state and the political parties represent that in whichever way they choose, occasionally - and only occasionally - changing issues of substance.

Liam Byrne

Rebelheart wrote: »

And when they continue on with them, how long do you think people are going to blame Fianna Fáil alone for their troubles? Be realistic (again).

Personally, I'll be able to acknowledge whatever steps FG have to take to clean up FF's mess as precisely that.

As long as their methods are fair and equitable, I'll support that. I won't give them carte blanche to do it badly and unfairly.

So WHAT they have to do won't reflect on them; HOW they do it might.

johngalway

Rebelheart wrote: »

Really, please think about the reality for the Blueshirts if they take over from Fianna Fáil. Do you think they are going to stop the cuts or continue on with them? Be realistic. And when they continue on with them, how long do you think people are going to blame Fianna Fáil alone for their troubles? Be realistic (again).

No one is talking about stopping cuts besides the left wing loonies.

Rational people understand that awful cuts need to be made for many reasons, some of which include..

FF policy on making Ireland inc. a construction company, and failing to diversify.

FF policy on hiring many thousands of extra, unnecessary in a lot of cases, civil servants and paying them very well.

FF policy on doing nothing about run away wage increases.

FF tax break policies.

So when the Dept of Finance couldn't count the budget surplus' of the past, a lot of the time it would be on radio how the Dept had "missed" that extra billion or so and wasn't it great we had the extra cash, they spent it unwisely.

Reliable tax taking measures were reduced or eliminated. Construction related tax taking measures were heavily relied upon. When construction failed, so did the country. That was hardly a shock to anyone with some small bit of intelligence.

FG did not make those decisions, they weren't in power.

FG will have to cut and do unpopular things, but that's on account of the colossal fúck up FF have made of our country.

But, coming, eventually, to my point. When FG win the next election, if implementation of their policies result in FF winning a subsequent election, then we, as a nation, are doomed. I will at that point concede the majority of people of voting age in this country are truly stupid.

As Liam has said, they will have to do what they have to do. The numbers on the bottom line have to add up at some stage. But they didn't get us into this mess and that should not be forgotten.