We could see this coming!

ejmaztec

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1103/breaking36.html

Live Register falls by 6,600

MARIE O'HALLORAN and MICHAEL O'REGAN
The number of unemployed dropped by more than 12,800 since September, bringing the numbers on the live register to 429,550 Taoiseach Brian Cowen has told the Dáil.
Speaking in advance of the formal announcement of the unemployment figures by the Central Statistics Office, Mr Cowen said seasonally adjusted unemployment dropped by 6,600 in October.
He said the decrease was “much higher” than normally expected in October.
It's the second highest fall ever for the month of October. On the basis of Department of Social Protection figures the unemployment rate will be 13.6 per cent, he said.
Mr Cowen said the economy was stabilising as shown by the live register and on target exchequer returns for October.

Hey Cowen - they've left the fucking country to find jobs -stabilisation my arse!

Fuhrer

Aye, im off the live register because I went North to work.

Quality

What about all those who's stamps have run out?

Reloc8

ejmaztec wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1103/breaking36.html



Hey Cowen - they've left the fucking country to find jobs -stabilisation my arse!

When an aeroplane which has plummetted 20,000 feet into the ground hits the ground, it has then 'stabilised'.

nb that's not a crash, its an unplanned deviation into terrain.

Sgt. Bilko 09

Poxy government will say anything to get out of the bad books CSO didn't say anything about those people emergrating for work the majority of people who left the country made that drop happen. Seriuosly how thick are these people.

ejmaztec

He must think that we're extra thick to believe that bullsh1t.

gurramok

Well said ejmaztec. Thousands have been thrown from the Live Register into courses as well. Its all fidlling of the figures. Same happened this time last year. Income tax receipts are still falling.

Do we expect the employment figures when they are due out to reflect such a 'drop in unemployment'? :rolleyes:

gonedrinking

ejmaztec wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1103/breaking36.html



Hey Cowen - they've left the fucking country to find jobs -stabilisation my arse!

Whatever the reason for the drop, its still good news. And without wanting to sound too harsh, we basically need our unemployed to fcuk off somewhere else for a while, and if that is what they are doing, then we should be applauding this.

St._Andalou

I knew unemployment was high, but 13.6%?

Jesus, that is bleak.

laoisforliam

Making robberies into larcenies, You juke the stats...

ejmaztec

gonedrinking wrote: »

Whatever the reason for the drop, its still good news. And without wanting to sound too harsh, we basically need our unemployed to fcuk off somewhere else for a while, and if that is what they are doing, then we should be applauding this.

I think that's written in the Irish Constitution under the section "Prayers For Politicians".

gurramok

gonedrinking wrote: »

Whatever the reason for the drop, its still good news. And without wanting to sound too harsh, we basically need our unemployed to fcuk off somewhere else for a while, and if that is what they are doing, then we should be applauding this.

Will you be telling that to the 20,000 students who are marching today?

Yeh, its their patriotic duty to emigrate as FF cannot provide them with a future. FFS.

Fuhrer

gonedrinking wrote: »

Whatever the reason for the drop, its still good news. And without wanting to sound too harsh, we basically need our unemployed to fcuk off somewhere else for a while, and if that is what they are doing, then we should be applauding this.

No, not at all.


These are the good unemployed that are leaving. the ones with education, degrees and whatnot.


We need the bad unemployed to leave

mickydoomsux

Fuhrer wrote: »

We need the bad unemployed to leave

Which will never happen because they were on the welfare gravy train during the boom when we had to start shipping in people from Eastern Europe to fill our jobs. They're not going to go anywhere as long as they can still get their €200 a week, free travel and rent allowance.

Babooshka

Quality wrote: »

What about all those who's stamps have run out?

Exactly. There are lots of people who are still here, still jobless, but just not on the live register any more because they no longer qualify for dole.

Which makes this statement:

gonedrinking wrote: »

Whatever the reason for the drop, its still good news. And without wanting to sound too harsh, we basically need our unemployed to fcuk off somewhere else for a while, and if that is what they are doing, then we should be applauding this.

Untrue. It's not good news. It's false news.

gonedrinking

gurramok wrote: »

Will you be telling that to the 20,000 students who are marching today?

Yeh, its their patriotic duty to emigrate as FF cannot provide them with a future. FFS.

It is, because they certainly won't be getting any job here for a good few years. They need to do what everyone did in the 80's- emigrate, get a job, gain experience and skills then come back to Ireland when things are better. Its all just a little bit of history repeating.

gurramok

I think this thread is against the national interest

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1103/liveregister.html

Cowen wrote:

Responding to Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny's comments about unemployment, Mr Cowen said there should be a critique, but politicians must ensure that the national interest is served.

He said opposition leaders must not 'generate negativity' about the economy.

gonedrinking

Babooshka wrote: »

Exactly. There are lots of people who are still here, still jobless, but just not on the live register any more because they no longer qualify for dole.

Then thats good news if we don't have to pay these people any more. It will force them to get any job available or else emigrate. Either is fine with me.

Babooshka

gonedrinking wrote: »

Then thats good news if we don't have to pay these people any more. It will force them to get any job available or else emigrate. Either is fine with me.

That's fine. But spin is spin. That's all I was pointing out. There have been emigrations, but there are a lot more people still here unemployed. It's being made to look as though less people are unemployed which is not true, is all.

gurramok

gonedrinking wrote: »

It is, because they certainly won't be getting any job here for a good few years. They need to do what everyone did in the 80's- emigrate, get a job, gain experience and skills then come back to Ireland when things are better. Its all just a little bit of history repeating.

Nice soundbite from the FF machine. Lets ship all the young people abroad as they are useless to FF as they show up FF incompetence, the old emigration safety valve again. :mad:

fatboypee

This is no different to "seasonally adjusting" the figures. What irks me though is how Cowen jumps to spin any bit of what could tentatively be put into the "good news" category wholly expecting to get away with inane soundbites and not be queried on the substance behind his declarations.

The population, in his opinion, is clearly stupid.

jimthemental

Don't "Generate Negativity", that's a large part of their policy?

****ing hell, people in this country are getting so desperate that they can't afford to call the Samaritans and he has the balls to say this to the opposition!

Touché Mr. Cowan.

Mister men

I brought the wife over to New York last week for a surprise anniversary trip. The plane was full of young single men and women (mostly men) who where going in search of work. One man in his thirties i got talking to had been on the dole since late 2008 and his stamps had run out leaving him with next to nothing to support his family.

The figures are totally false but i expect them to be spun to the max by the shower in poer at present.

Mister men

fatboypee wrote: »

This is no different to "seasonally adjusting" the figures. What irks me though is how Cowen jumps to spin any bit of what could tentatively be put into the "good news" category wholly expecting to get away with inane soundbites and not be queried on the substance behind his declarations.

The population, in his opinion, is clearly stupid.

In fairness to Cowen he's right, many are clearly stupid.

Mister men

gonedrinking wrote: »

Then thats good news if we don't have to pay these people any more. It will force them to get any job available or else emigrate. Either is fine with me.

Have you actually ever seen a man at an airport waving goodbye to his kids and wife maybe not seeing them for a couple of years? Well i have and it's utterly heartbreaking and not fine by me.

Babooshka

jimthemental wrote: »

Don't "Generate Negativity", that's a large part of their policy?

****ing hell, people in this country are getting so desperate that they can't afford to call the Samaritans and he has the balls to say this to the opposition!

Touché Mr. Cowan.

Yep. It reminds me of when I was 5 and the kid next door poked me in the eye and I cried, and he said "please don't tell your Ma...pleeeeeez".

gonedrinking

gurramok wrote: »

Nice soundbite from the FF machine. Lets ship all the young people abroad as they are useless to FF as they show up FF incompetence, the old emigration safety valve again. :mad:

well like it or lump it these people are useless to us at the minute, things aren't going to change any time soon, its best for everyone involved if they just leave

ejmaztec

gonedrinking wrote: »

well like it or lump it these people are useless to us at the minute, things aren't going to change any time soon, its best for everyone involved if they just leave

Yes, I agree entirely with your opinion of Fianna Fail.

Babooshka

gonedrinking wrote: »

well like it or lump it these people are useless to us at the minute, things aren't going to change any time soon, its best for everyone involved if they just leave

Are you flaming? What makes you so utterly untouchable and not vulnerable to what has befallen lots in this country lately? You come accross very heartless towards your kin.

bonerm

laoisforliam wrote: »

Making robberies into larcenies, You juke the stats...

Maybe we could change the name of the country to Hamsterdam.

gonedrinking

Babooshka wrote: »

Are you flaming? What makes you so utterly untouchable and not vulnerable to what has befallen lots in this country lately? You come accross very heartless towards your kin.

Nothing does, I'm just a realist, I look at things as to how they are now, not how they should be or how they might be or how they used to be.

bonerm

Is Biffo taking credit for the 25 (or is it 35?) taxi drivers that committed suicide last year? Every little helps when you're fiddling the numbers.

PeterIanStaker

Brilliant insight there Mr Clowen.

Its in Fianna Fail's best interest that graduates under 30 leave this country, because they don't prop up DeValera's version of society by going to mass, buying the Indo/Sindo, listening to Joe Duffy and voting Fianna Fail year after year.

SamSamSammy

Government will never win here. Figures go up - doomsday end of the world. Figures to down - ah its because people are leaving, its still the end of the world. Bottom line the social bill is less and thats good.

gonedrinking

Maybe the government could offer incentives for people on the dole to leave the country and find jobs elsewhere. For example they could offer a payment to people of 2,000 euros to people who are currently on the dole who go overseas and get a full time job. People would only receive the payment when they have proven they have secured a full time job.

logic

they're will be 5000 more on the register by christmas

ejmaztec

bonerm wrote: »

Is Biffo taking credit for the 25 (or is it 35?) taxi drivers that committed suicide last year? Every little helps when you're fiddling the numbers.

The government will be infiltrating the Samaritans and offering to deliver rope and razor blades to anyone ringing up on the verge of suicide. The next un-employment figures will have an even bigger drop, but the suicide rate will have increased by a similar amount.

who the fug

gonedrinking wrote: »

It is, because they certainly won't be getting any job here for a good few years. They need to do what everyone did in the 80's- emigrate, get a job, gain experience and skills then come back to Ireland when things are better. Its all just a little bit of history repeating.

Allot never come back

ejmaztec

who the fug wrote: »

Allot never come back

As usual, they'll appear in the tourism statistics, making the tourism industry look like it's doing an astounding job getting people to visit Ireland. The other 1% of the statistics got on the wrong plane by mistake.

PrincessLola

gonedrinking wrote: »

Nothing does, I'm just a realist, I look at things as to how they are now, not how they should be or how they might be or how they used to be.

The problem tho, is that the people leaving will be the bright young educated graduates that this country needs. The people least likely to leave the country will be those over 40, with kids and a mortgage and set in their FF voting ways (ok maybe not FF anymore) but my point is that the educated tend to be the ones to leave, hence our country will experience another brain drain.

Hannibal Smith

Quality wrote: »

What about all those who's stamps have run out?

they run out? :eek:

Wicklowrider

gonedrinking wrote: »

And without wanting to sound too harsh, we basically need our unemployed to fcuk off somewhere else for a while, and if that is what they are doing, then we should be applauding this.

Ah, But you do sound harsh.
As if you don't give a flying so & so about your country people.
As if you are doing ok and to anyone else can rot.

I will never applaud forced emigration. I drove too many friends to the airport and ferries back in the '80's.

flyton5

Wicklowrider wrote: »

Ah, But you do sound harsh.
As if you don't give a flying so & so about your country people.
As if you are doing ok and to anyone else can rot.

I will never applaud forced emigration. I drove too many friends to the airport and ferries back in the '80's.

I hope they gave you petrol money...

Faith+1

Fuhrer wrote: »

Aye, im off the live register because I went North to work.

Be careful Fuhrer those northsiders would have the wheels of a jumbo if it flew too low..

gonedrinking

Faith+1 wrote: »

Be careful Fuhrer those northsiders would have the wheels of a jumbo if it flew too low..

That's a bit rich considering we are begging the international community for money at this stage

gonedrinking

Wicklowrider wrote: »

Ah, But you do sound harsh.
As if you don't give a flying so & so about your country people.
As if you are doing ok and to anyone else can rot.

.

My ideas are to help the country from collapsing, of course I care about it. No one has contributed as many ideas as me on this forum. I'm a 1 man think tank at this stage. If the government implemented a quarter of the ideas I've published on this forum in the last 2 months our recovery would be a lot quicker.

ejmaztec

gonedrinking wrote: »

My ideas are to help the country from collapsing, of course I care about it. No one has contributed as many ideas as me on this forum. I'm a 1 man think tank at this stage. If the government implemented a quarter of the ideas I've published on this forum in the last 2 months our recovery would be a lot quicker.

I think that you've been gone drinking a bit too long.