US, Israel involved in Istanbul suicide Bombing?

uprising2

The PKK has said they weren't responsible for Sunday's suicide bombing in Istanbul, Turkey. The group were initially suspected/blamed of being behind the attack, but within hours of the attack they denied responsibility and have extended their ceasefire.
Suspicions of PKK despite PKK denials




Turkey has strenghtened ties with Iran after the flotilla massacre, and added Israel to it's "RED BOOK" of threats to Turkey.

TURKEY: Ankara adds Israel to list of strategic security threats
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/11/israel-turkey-iran-threat-politics-war.html

After the blast on Sunday, a restaurant manager near the scene in Taksim Square, Istanbul, reportedly said a group of American citizens had cancelled a party..

"A day before the party, a number of our guests announced that they couldn't attend the party since the US embassy in Turkey has warned the 9 American nationals about an impending bomb attack"
Source: US, Israel Involved in Istanbul's Terrorist Bomb Blast
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8908101423

A source privy to the investigations into Istanbul's Sunday blast revealed that the US embassy in Turkey had convincing information about the terrorist attack in the Taksim Square days before the incident, and stressed that the terrorist measure was a response to Ankara's latest security assessment which named the Zionist regime as the No 1 threat to Turkey's national security.

Meanwhile the US has been trying to force Turkey to place a missile offence system against Iran on Turkish soil, close to the Iranian border, something Ankara doesn't want to do.

Turkish ‘no’ to missile defense could spell crisis with West, says expert

Ankara seeks guarantees on Israel in missile shield talks with US


Turkish officials think they know the identity of the bomber,
Turkish officials identify Istanbul suicide bomber

Istanbul governor says bomber separatist from Kurd area

It's claimed the bomber was Vedat Acar, a seperatist from a Kurd area.
It's possible (this is CT!) the bomber was influenced by mossad/cia to reassure Ankara that it need's to play ball with USrael and from what I already believe about US/Israel and their dirty tricks/black op's, it wouldn't be beyond my beliefs that they were behind the attack, especially with everything else going on at the moment.

It's early days, the attack was only a couple of days ago, so it will be interesting to see if anything else comes from it.

I was actually standing in the exact location of the blast in September, I was looking through my pictures on Sunday and I have a load of photographs taken right there at the police buses.

amacachi

That's one thing I'll say for the Israelis, they have good, firm handshakes.

robtri

if i am not mistaken, there is no evidence or sources linking israel to this suicide bombing as presented here by the OP.

Yet the OP is jumping to the conclusion that Israel was behind it becuase he hates the nations of israel....

JustinDee

A pro-agendaic conspiracy theorist dances on the grave of people killed in an attack with this shash?
Disgracefull low. Even for this forum.

humanji

JustinDee wrote: »

A pro-agendaic conspiracy theorist dances on the grave of people killed in an attack with this shash?
Disgracefull low. Even for this forum.

It's a conspiracy theory forum where people can put forward conspiracy theories. If you've a problem with that, don't come here.

Brown Bomber

robtri wrote: »

if i am not mistaken, there is no evidence or sources linking israel to this suicide bombing as presented here by the OP.

Yet the OP is jumping to the conclusion that Israel was behind it becuase he hates the nations of israel....

All one of them?

Ever think that maybe he hates innocent people being killed by intelligence services to further a political agenda?


Thing is you are partly mistaken at least. There are reasons, which I may go into later. The problem is that you are not aware of them, so you automatically assume prejudice when the problem lies in your own lack of knowledge. I'm not having a go but perhaps it would be more advantageous if people looked into these conspiracy theories before making knee-jerk claims of racism.

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

All one of them?

Ever think that maybe he hates innocent people being killed by intelligence services to further a political agenda?


Thing is you are partly mistaken at least. There are reasons, which I may go into later. The problem is that you are not aware of them, so you automatically assume prejudice when the problem lies in your own lack of knowledge. I'm not having a go but perhaps it would be more advantageous if people looked into these conspiracy theories before making knee-jerk claims of racism.

there is nothing knee jerking here,

the op put forward his opinion in his OP that israel are probably responsible for this tragedy... yet none of his links from what i can see, shows this in any sahpe or form.

Therefore it is a pure specualation piece on his part based on his hatred of israel...

prehaps it would be better to show us why israel are responsible and how he came to that conclusion instead of throwing around worthless accusations.

uprising2

robtri wrote: »

if i am not mistaken, there is no evidence or sources linking israel to this suicide bombing as presented here by the OP.

Yet the OP is jumping to the conclusion that Israel was behind it becuase he hates the nations of israel....

See below

JustinDee wrote: »

A pro-agendaic conspiracy theorist dances on the grave of people killed in an attack with this shash?
Disgracefull low. Even for this forum.

Who died?, any links?, I'm not aware of anyone having died, and I'm not dancing on graves, if somebody is murdered, would you also accuse the garda/police of dancing on graves for investigating it?, thats a stupid retarded comment.
Edit: Apart from the obvious^^^^^

robtri wrote: »

there is nothing knee jerking here,

the op put forward his opinion in his OP that israel are probably responsible for this tragedy... yet none of his links from what i can see, shows this in any sahpe or form.

Therefore it is a pure specualation piece on his part based on his hatred of israel...

prehaps it would be better to show us why israel are responsible and how he came to that conclusion instead of throwing around worthless accusations.

Listen this is CT forum, if you dont like my post, Fukk off and don't reply to it, it's simple really.

Robtri did you click any of the links?, in the first post there are two links, the first had you clicked it, says

Source: US, Israel Involved in Istanbul's Terrorist Bomb Blast
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8908101423

the second says, wait for it.......

Source: US, Israel Involved in Istanbul's Terrorist Bomb Blast
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7200491-source-us-israel-involved-in-istanbuls-terrorist-bomb-blast/content/65949198-people-help-victims-at-the-scene-of-an-suspected-suicide-bombing-near-the-police-vehicles-in-central-istanbul-s-taksim-square

the articles say that a restaurant manager said "a group of Americans didn't attend a party because they were warned by the US embassy that a bomb would go off".

How is the OP just me being a racist?, I quoted and added links, then quoted some more and added links that said Israel was now on Turkey's list of threats and that the US were demanding that Turkey allow a missile system on their soil.

If I could prove it, it WOULDN'T belong in here, would it?, some people seem to be confused about the meaning of "Conspiracy Theory", thats why in my OP I put CT in these( ), as a reminder that it wasn't the "Scientific Fact Forum"

studiorat

uprising2 wrote: »

if somebody is murdered, would you also accuse the garda/police of dancing on graves for investigating it?, thats a stupid retarded comment.

investigating?

do you seriously consider that you are investigating this? on the internet like?

why is it Israel or the US before I dunno, say TAK for instance?

uprising2

studiorat wrote: »

investigating?

do you seriously consider that you are investigating this? on the internet like?

why is it Israel or the US before I dunno, say TAK for instance?

Maybe I should have said "If the garda/police ask questions" are they dancing on the grave of the victim.

I was accused of dancing of the grave of the suicide bomber?? as he was the only one killed, I presume the poster assumed innocent people were killed and that by me posting here I was somehow dancing on the graves that don't exist. But no I don't have my sherlock holmes costume on while on the internet.

"why is it Israel or the US before I dunno, say TAK for instance?"
I dunno what that means or is supposed to mean.

If anybody is having a hard time with this I'll explain to clear up the confusion....

I read an article about a restaurant manager who said that US citizens had been warned about a bomb attack, I posted it here in CONSPIRACY THEORIES because it's the proper forum for this, I don't see the problem with me posting it here.

This is just the usual bullsh1t that has become the norm in this forum, poster post's a conspiracy theory, poster becomes the topic.

If people want proof that USrael weren't behind the bombing, well then provide the proof because I don't have it, hence (CT), and if you look closely at the thread title there's a ? in it.

robtri

uprising2 wrote: »

I read an article about a restaurant manager who said that US citizens had been warned about a bomb attack, I posted it here in CONSPIRACY THEORIES because it's the proper forum for this, I don't see the problem with me posting it here..

and i dont see the problem with that either

uprising2 wrote: »

This is just the usual bullsh1t that has become the norm in this forum, poster post's a conspiracy theory, poster becomes the topic..

yeah and blaming israel seems another very popular past time as well by certain posters...

all i said was ( i.e saying not a shred of evidence as far as i could see linked Israel to this, yet u made that leap in logic based on your hatred of Israel, thats not a CT

Originally Posted by robtri
if i am not mistaken, there is no evidence or sources linking israel to this suicide bombing as presented here by the OP.

Yet the OP is jumping to the conclusion that Israel was behind it becuase he hates the nations of israel....

robtri

uprising2 wrote: »

Listen this is CT forum, if you dont like my post, Fukk off and don't reply to it, it's simple really.

Robtri did you click any of the links?, in the first post there are two links, the first had you clicked it, says

Source: US, Israel Involved in Istanbul's Terrorist Bomb Blast
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8908101423


the second says, wait for it.......

Source: US, Israel Involved in Istanbul's Terrorist Bomb Blast
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7200491-source-us-israel-involved-in-istanbuls-terrorist-bomb-blast/content/65949198-people-help-victims-at-the-scene-of-an-suspected-suicide-bombing-near-the-police-vehicles-in-central-istanbul-s-taksim-square

the articles say that a restaurant manager said "a group of Americans didn't attend a party because they were warned by the US embassy that a bomb would go off".

How is the OP just me being a racist?, I quoted and added links, then quoted some more and added links that said Israel was now on Turkey's list of threats and that the US were demanding that Turkey allow a missile system on their soil.

If I could prove it, it WOULDN'T belong in here, would it?, some people seem to be confused about the meaning of "Conspiracy Theory", thats why in my OP I put CT in these( ), as a reminder that it wasn't the "Scientific Fact Forum"

First link does not show or to me read that Israels had an involvement in the suicide bombing


The second link here, i dont see in your OP


Never said you where racist, that was BB implying that i said that...

Your right this is a CT forum but it not a makey up forum....

and i will stay here and not fukk off, if you dont like my replies, you dont have to respond.... as i said before its a discussion forum not a clap each other on the back and tell each other how good each others posts where forum

uprising2

robtri wrote: »

and i dont see the problem with that either



yeah and blaming israel seems another very popular past time as well by certain posters...

all i said was ( i.e saying not a shred of evidence as far as i could see linked Israel to this, yet u made that leap in logic based on your hatred of Israel, thats not a CT

Originally Posted by robtri
if i am not mistaken, there is no evidence or sources linking israel to this suicide bombing as presented here by the OP.

Yet the OP is jumping to the conclusion that Israel was behind it becuase he hates the nations of israel....

Your the one making leaps here, the fukking link that was on the internet says:
Source: US, Israel Involved in Istanbul's Terrorist Bomb Blast

therefore I didn't just add Israel into this, I quoted from the source.

I do not hate every Israeli citizen, I hate the regime, the zionist regime.

And where in my OP did I say Israel were behind it?

What I said was:
It's possible (this is CT!) the bomber was influenced by mossad/cia to reassure Ankara that it need's to play ball with USrael and from what I already believe about US/Israel and their dirty tricks/black op's, it wouldn't be beyond my beliefs that they were behind the attack, especially with everything else going on at the moment.

"It's possible" and "it wouldn't be beyond my beliefs" are not equal to "Israel did it, I know that for a fact", had I said that I would understand where your coming from, but I didn't.


And what does this mean????
"why is it Israel or the US before I dunno, say TAK for instance?"

uprising2

robtri wrote: »

First link does not show or to me read that Israels had an involvement in the suicide bombing


The second link here, i dont see in your OP


Never said you where racist, that was BB implying that i said that...

Your right this is a CT forum but it not a makey up forum....

and i will stay here and not fukk off, if you dont like my replies, you dont have to respond.... as i said before its a discussion forum not a clap each other on the back and tell each other how good each others posts where forum

The second link is just below the first, CLICK THE BLUE WRITING in the quote box.
Its no wonder you cant ever see any conspiracies, you cant even see the link just in front of your eyes, I need to hold your hand and guide you to it, typical.

studiorat

uprising2 wrote: »

"why is it Israel or the US before I dunno, say TAK for instance?"
I dunno what that means or is supposed to mean.

It means have you looked at the possibility it was TAK instead of the PKK. Considering they took responsibility for the last couple of bombs in Istanbul.

PKK aren't the only show in town in case you didn't know.

The suicide bomber who died in the incident was linked to the PKK in 2004, so is'nt it more likely he's joined up with one of the other Kurdish groups than the CIA for instance?

uprising2

Seem's you were right Robtri, well done, TAK have claimed it.
TBH I never heard of TAK, I googled it after I asked a second time what you meant, before studiorat replied, I'd heard of their other name "The Kurdistan Freedom Falcons (TAK)" well I knew "something falcons".

Still doesn't explain how the american's in the news article were supposedly warned beforehand, if they were at all, sometimes a suicide bomber is just a suicide bomber.

Here's your medal's.:mad:

TAK behind Istanbul Bomb Attack
http://www.bianet.org/english/minorities/125876-tak-behind-istanbul-bomb-attack

Kurdish Group Claims Istanbul Suicide Bombing, Warns of Further Attacks
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-04/kurdish-group-claims-istanbul-suicide-bombing-warns-of-further-attacks.html

Kurdish militants say they carried out Istanbul bombing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11694739

Radical Kurdish group claims Istanbul suicide bombing
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g1cnK6NKBb32hW__WrONZj7IxhSQ?docId=CNG.827251c8451748f06ec8f6c79b2a2b8f.491

robtri

uprising2 wrote: »

Seem's you were right Robtri, well done, TAK have claimed it.
TBH I never heard of TAK, I googled it after I asked a second time what you meant, before studiorat replied, I'd heard of their other name "The Kurdistan Freedom Falcons (TAK)" well I knew "something falcons".

Still doesn't explain how the american's in the news article were supposedly warned beforehand, if they were at all, sometimes a suicide bomber is just a suicide bomber.

Here's your medal's.:mad:

TAK behind Istanbul Bomb Attack
http://www.bianet.org/english/minorities/125876-tak-behind-istanbul-bomb-attack

Kurdish Group Claims Istanbul Suicide Bombing, Warns of Further Attacks
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-04/kurdish-group-claims-istanbul-suicide-bombing-warns-of-further-attacks.html

Kurdish militants say they carried out Istanbul bombing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11694739

Radical Kurdish group claims Istanbul suicide bombing
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g1cnK6NKBb32hW__WrONZj7IxhSQ?docId=CNG.827251c8451748f06ec8f6c79b2a2b8f.491

No I wasnt right.. i never claimed Israel where innocent of this ...

I was just trying to understand how Israel got fingered for this job in the OP....

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Thing is you are partly mistaken at least. There are reasons, which I may go into later. The problem is that you are not aware of them, so you automatically assume prejudice when the problem lies in your own lack of knowledge. I'm not having a go but perhaps it would be more advantageous if people looked into these conspiracy theories before making knee-jerk claims of racism.

So sad that you never got to post your 'reasons' that the Israelis (no doubt using their network of chinese painting huxters?) were behind the bomb. It's as if the knee-jerk bigotry is actually all there is to apportion blame on them, given that the actual evidence tells a very different story.

The Recliner

Can we not get personal and actually discuss the topic at hand

Brown Bomber

alastair wrote: »

So sad that you never got to post your 'reasons' that the Israelis (no doubt using their network of chinese painting huxters?) were behind the bomb. It's as if the knee-jerk bigotry is actually all there is to apportion blame on them, given that the actual evidence tells a very different story.

There are reasons I really just couldn't be arsed getting involved with you with anything anymore.

thebullkf

robtri wrote: »

....as i said before its a discussion forum not a clap each other on the back and tell each other how good each others posts where forum

+1

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

There are reasons I really just couldn't be arsed getting involved with you with anything anymore.

No doubt as valid as your 'reasons' for blaming the Israelis for a bombing in Istanbul. I won't be holding my breath.

The obvious candidates for the bombing were pointed out in this thread before you posted your unsubstantiated allegations and felt the obligation to declare the bleeding obvious 'ignorance'.

Brown Bomber

alastair wrote: »

No doubt as valid as your 'reasons' for blaming the Israelis for a bombing in Istanbul. I won't be holding my breath.

Try to concentrate harder. I haven't blamed the Israelis, I suggested that there were reasons to suggest possible involvement.

btw your statement makes no sense. In each case we are talking about the same "reasons".

alastair wrote: »

The obvious candidates for the bombing were pointed out in this thread before you posted your unsubstantiated allegations and felt the obligation to declare the bleeding obvious 'ignorance'.

Really?

I must have those users on ignore.

Perhaps you could show this to me? <Snip>

Di0genes

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Thing is you are partly mistaken at least. There are reasons, which I may go into later. The problem is that you are not aware of them, so you automatically assume prejudice when the problem lies in your own lack of knowledge. I'm not having a go but perhaps it would be more advantageous if people looked into these conspiracy theories before making knee-jerk claims of racism.

I suggested that there were reasons to suggest possible involvement

So what are the reasons?

alastair

Di0genes wrote: »

So what are the reasons?

Like I say - don't hold your breath.

alastair

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Try to concentrate harder. I haven't blamed the Israelis, I suggested that there were reasons to suggest possible involvement.

btw your statement makes no sense. In each case we are talking about the same "reasons".



Really?

I must have those users on ignore.

Perhaps you could show this to me? <Snip>

The evidence is right there in the links provided in the OP - the name, ethnicity, and political orientation of the suicide bomber.

Oh, and yes - you did indeed claim that there was evidence linking the Israelis to the bombing - and you'd fill us all in 'later'. We both know the rationale for your 'reasons' - you just can't allow yourself to express them as it'll expose said 'rationale' to the cold light of day.

The Recliner

BB wont be able to reply for a few days so his lack of reply isn't him avoiding the issue

Di0genes

The Recliner wrote: »

BB wont be able to reply for a few days so his lack of reply isn't him avoiding the issue

Not to back seat mod, but surely if a poster gets banned there should be a notice in thread?

alastair

The Recliner wrote: »

BB wont be able to reply for a few days so his lack of reply isn't him avoiding the issue

Maybe so, but but he's done pretty well on the avoidance front up to this point.

The Recliner

Di0genes wrote: »

Not to back seat mod, but surely if a poster gets banned there should be a notice in thread?

He wasn't banned for what was posted in this thread so I just posted up when I saw people expecting a reply

I am not sure we should always post notification of banning but I will discuss it with the others and we will decide a policy

Joshua Jones

The Recliner wrote: »

BB wont be able to reply for a few days so his lack of reply isn't him avoiding the issue

That's a pity. He's one of the few reasons that I read the conspiracy debunking forum.