Iron play

MasterKZG

Guys,

Have anybody been through the mill where nothing is working. My Iron play (7-pw irons ) are so diabolical that i'm afraid to hit it. All shots seem to go to the right, straight right and loss of power is a defo. So very short and to the right.Also they are not really high enough, its more of a rainbow flight.
Can't for the life work it out, i thought that i'm might be using a different so i tried it to today, made it worse, to the left and short.

I'm quite concern cause the last six months, my long game as come on in giants leaps. So i'm in great position most time.

L.O.F.T

MasterKZG wrote: »

Guys,

Have anybody been through the mill where nothing is working. My Iron play (7-pw irons ) are so diabolical that i'm afraid to hit it. All shots seem to go to the right, straight right and loss of power is a defo. So very short and to the right.Also they are not really high enough, its more of a rainbow flight.
Can't for the life work it out, i thought that i'm might be using a different so i tried it to today, made it worse, to the left and short.

I'm quite concern cause the last six months, my long game as come on in giants leaps. So i'm in great position most time.

Have your changed Irons recently? Are your shafts different from what you used to play?

seanmc1980

sounds like you hands are turning in you backswing and not returning to the correct postion on you down swing opening up the clubface. if you swing plain is true it will go straight and the slice off at the end. like an r shape. if you swing in out to in it will send it stright out right.

quick test is do you normal sling and stop at point of contact. whats you club face like, i'd be my life that its open.

to correct you swing plane finsh exageratley high on the follow through this will give u a more in line plain, i relation to the wrists try no roll you forearm as much on the way back and keep the wrists stronger on the take away, also i'd say your hands are ahead of the ball at point of contact resulting in a open clubface and loss of power

MasterKZG

L.O.F.T wrote: »

Have your changed Irons recently? Are your shafts different from what you used to play?

Same clubs and shaft since jan.:( Cobra S2

NoelAPM

How tall are ya? Tall people often struggle with short irons if they are standard length! Best to lengthen or buy longer clubs, rather than learn a technique which will work for the irons but at the same time hold you back.

MasterKZG

I'm just around 5'9 so not so tall really.

I like to think perhaps that the hands might be ahead of the ball on impact as seanmc suggested...because i have been doing some good amount of work on chipping around the greens recently . And maybe that what i'm doing. Shaft leaning towards the green.

Have to try and sort it out, it killing me.

Davkie

If as you say you are hitting your Driver/Woods fine then you probably have an overly shallow inside out angle of attack with an open club face.
Trackman data shows that the face angle is responsible for 85% of the balls initial direction.
You must have your hands forward with any standard shot from the fairway if not you are flipping your hands through impact which will affect the power and direction of the shot. Pro golfers have downward angle of attack , with a 7-iron it's about -4* on average.
Do you take a divot after the ball with your irons.

GreeBo

Check your grip and your stance/ball position, You shouldnt need to be doing anything any different for your long irons vs your short irons. If your swing is correct then it will automatically be more upright due to the shorter shafts.

If they are correct try the following drill to determine your swing path.

Setup 3 balls perpendicular to your stance, either mark a line on the balls or use the branding and arrange in the following order.

Nearest ball "points" 45% right
Middle ball points parallel
Farthest ball points 45% left.

Now with a half speed swing with a 7i, aim straight but try to swing your downswing along the path of the lines/logos on the balls.
Dont worry about anything other than swing on the correct path.
You should find that one of the paths will give you a much better strike on the ball and it will go straighter & further.
Once you have determined this hit lines of balls all pointing in the desired path. Chances are you need to swing more out to in (promoting a more vertical angle of attack)

(For me it was the out-to-in "feeling" that I needed. Im now compressing all my irons for straighter, longer shots. Before I had been flipping into the ball on a shallow angle, great for the driver but very inconsistent with the irons.)

Hope it helps.

MasterKZG

Davkie wrote: »

If as you say you are hitting your Driver/Woods fine then you probably have an overly shallow inside out angle of attack with an open club face.
Trackman data shows that the face angle is responsible for 85% of the balls initial direction.
You must have your hands forward with any standard shot from the fairway if not you are flipping your hands through impact which will affect the power and direction of the shot. Pro golfers have downward angle of attack , with a 7-iron it's about -4* on average.
Do you take a divot after the ball with your irons.

Actually now that i think of it, i don't really take a divot really. I'm usually hit it cleanly...I wonder...

MasterKZG

Chances are you need to swing more out to in (promoting a more vertical angle of attack)

Thanks for that greenbo, sound very much like i'm not coming in at a steep angle to attack the ball, more like coming in behind the ball and lift it.:rolleyes:
I actually thought that and out to in swing promotes a slice?

Davkie

I actually thought that and out to in swing promotes a slice

Correct this is one of the components of a sliced ball flight.
But from what you said so far , no divot , weak push ball flight , you are probably excessively rolling the club face open and have a flat backswing position causing a shallow angle of attack and a flip through impact.

So to fix this do the opposite steepen you backswing think Freddie Couples type backswing outside the line ( without Freddie's overswing position )
A good check point is when your left arm is parallel to the ground the handle of the club should point at a line a few inches in front of you foot line.
To fix the flip focus on a blade of grass 2 inches in front ( Target Side) of the ball as your low point not the ball. This is a bit of a band aid but give it a go.

L.O.F.T

MasterKZG wrote: »

Actually now that i think of it, i don't really take a divot really. I'm usually hit it cleanly...I wonder...

Nice simple drill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKPPZlJbeAQ

dobaluchi

Sounds as if u are not using the big muscles. I could'nt hit my irons for a while there too then it just clicked to way I used to and that was that the takeway started with my body and not my hands...... a tiny subtle difference as i was concentrating on getting my left shoulder under my chin but was not noticing that I should have ben turning my back more. Result sweet hit irons, worth a try.

harpsman

I wouldnt be asking for swing advice from people who arent qualified and have never seen you swing a club-unless you want to get worse.
Best bet is to find a good pro and go for a few lessons,one even.
No offense to anyone

heavyballs

harpsman wrote: »

I wouldnt be asking for swing advice from people who arent qualified and have never seen you swing a club-unless you want to get worse.
Best bet is to find a good pro and go for a few lessons,one even.
No offense to anyone

you're right but hey he posted the Q so it's up to him what parts of the reply's to take on board,something may click with him

i won't complicate this,one simple fault i see a lot......
check the angle of the shaft as you look down before you hit the ball,it should be angled slightly to the right as you look down on it,a lot of players say when they do this it looks like the face is closed,that's not the case,it's the correct position

MasterKZG

GreeBo wrote: »

Check your grip and your stance/ball position, You shouldnt need to be doing anything any different for your long irons vs your short irons. If your swing is correct then it will automatically be more upright due to the shorter shafts.

If they are correct try the following drill to determine your swing path.

Setup 3 balls perpendicular to your stance, either mark a line on the balls or use the branding and arrange in the following order.

Nearest ball "points" 45% right
Middle ball points parallel
Farthest ball points 45% left.

Now with a half speed swing with a 7i, aim straight but try to swing your downswing along the path of the lines/logos on the balls.
Dont worry about anything other than swing on the correct path.
You should find that one of the paths will give you a much better strike on the ball and it will go straighter & further.
Once you have determined this hit lines of balls all pointing in the desired path. Chances are you need to swing more out to in (promoting a more vertical angle of attack)

(For me it was the out-to-in "feeling" that I needed. Im now compressing all my irons for straighter, longer shots. Before I had been flipping into the ball on a shallow angle, great for the driver but very inconsistent with the irons.)

Hope it helps.

Thanks guys, this little drill did help alot. went down to the range last night and tried it out, it seem to be alot straighter than i had hit before when i was playing good golf. I tried a tip i pick up on the net which is put a tee 5 inch in front of the ball and the idea is to hit down the ball and the tee. Certainly felt alot different than what i had probably been doing, trying to flip the ball up.

Thanks for all the tip and advices, much appreciate, got to train the little brain to promote a hitting down on the ball swing.

GreeBo

MasterKZG wrote: »

Thanks guys, this little drill did help alot. went down to the range last night and tried it out, it seem to be alot straighter than i had hit before when i was playing good golf. I tried a tip i pick up on the net which is put a tee 5 inch in front of the ball and the idea is to hit down the ball and the tee. Certainly felt alot different than what i had probably been doing, trying to flip the ball up.

Thanks for all the tip and advices, much appreciate, got to train the little brain to promote a hitting down on the ball swing.

Glad it helped!
You might want to try it our on grass more than at a mat/range.
Stick some tees in the ground perpendicular to your stance and put a ball in the middle. This will help you identify exactly where the divot starts... (though you will feel it when its wrong...and when its right!)

MasterKZG

GreeBo wrote: »

Glad it helped!
You might want to try it our on grass more than at a mat/range.
Stick some tees in the ground perpendicular to your stance and put a ball in the middle. This will help you identify exactly where the divot starts... (though you will feel it when its wrong...and when its right!)

Defintely, i kinda knew that it had to be done on grass b4 i can say that i cured the problem. Heading out tomorrow to play 18 holes. Happy days.:)

MasterKZG

Those tips have worked a treat today. Okay not 100% all the time but the idea was right, ball went straight and far.

The swing felt little bit funny but i have to get use to it!

Donalmit

"check the angle of the shaft as you look down before you hit the ball,it should be angled slightly to the right as you look down on it,a lot of players say when they do this it looks like the face is closed,that's not the case,it's the correct position"

Heavyballs, Does the same rule apply to fairway woods and driver? I cant convince myself where to position the ball in my stance and where my hands should be in relation to that clubhead position. Level? Ahead? Behind?

T.

Mitch

GreeBo

MasterKZG wrote: »

Those tips have worked a treat today. Okay not 100% all the time but the idea was right, ball went straight and far.

The swing felt little bit funny but i have to get use to it!

Damn you, I played today and my irons were pants!
Give it back, its mine! :P

MasterKZG

GreeBo wrote: »

Damn you, I played today and my irons were pants!
Give it back, its mine! :P

Here you go!!:)

heavyballs

Donalmit wrote: »

"check the angle of the shaft as you look down before you hit the ball,it should be angled slightly to the right as you look down on it,a lot of players say when they do this it looks like the face is closed,that's not the case,it's the correct position"

Heavyballs, Does the same rule apply to fairway woods and driver? I cant convince myself where to position the ball in my stance and where my hands should be in relation to that clubhead position. Level? Ahead? Behind?

T.

Mitch

tbh it's not easy to explain,be aware this is the internet and you'll hear some sheite talk on here from all sorts regarding different tips
quick answer is no as your driver should set up near the inside of your left foot obviously the shaft will angle slightly to the left and with a wood of the ground it will be similar but slightly more central

my advice get yourself out to the range with a camcorder,you can learn a lot from seeing yourself,i'm not saying it's better than getting a pro to look at your swing but something may click

don't get to hung up on ball/hand position,if you do it will create tension and mess your swing up,just relax

GreeBo

MasterKZG wrote: »

Here you go!!:)

+4 off 6 today, thanks! :-)

MasterKZG

No probs..can i have it for tmw?:rolleyes:

GreeBo

MasterKZG wrote: »

No probs..can i have it for tmw?:rolleyes:

Well??
As an update on my progress, Im finding that I no longer have to feel like Im swinging out to in to achieve the same downward swing path and resulting divot/correctly struck shot.

This is after about 30 hours of golf since I started the change.
When practicing I try to swing normally until I hit a "bad" one, then I hit a few from out to in and go back to normal again.