when we run out of money, do you think the queen will take us back?

SamSamSammy

if we ask nicely, do you think they'll let ireland become part of the uk?

galwayrush

I think it might give her a laugh...:rolleyes:

Seriously, i would be all for the idea for a short time, get them to build the Galway outer by-pass and thre Claregalway by pass, this would involve sending the clowns in An Taisce to the Tower, she could sent our failed politicans there as well. Then after a few years, hand the country back.

Guy:Incognito

Shes not exactly flush herself.

Plus they already have one Irish moneypit on their hands , I doubt they'd want to double that.

Berty

Can our postbox's take another layer of paint?

If you peel away some of the paint on old post boxs you will find the red Royal Mail paint underneath it.

Collie D

Berty wrote: »

Can our postbox's take another layer of paint?

If you peel away some of the paint on old post boxs you will find the red Royal Mail paint underneath it.

You need a hobby

getz

Berty wrote: »

Can our postbox's take another layer of paint?

If you peel away some of the paint on old post boxs you will find the red Royal Mail paint underneath it.

i notice the mail post box outside the meeting of the waters pub,is still the victorian one with her coat of arms on it,now i have told you are you going to blow it up /

Kev_ps3

why would you want to be ruled by a foreign country?

Collie D

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

why would you want to be ruled by a foreign country?

We've already voted for the Lisbon treaty

orourkeda

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

why would you want to be ruled by a foreign country?

because we're too stupid to rule ourselves

Kev_ps3

orourkeda wrote: »

because we're too stupid to rule ourselves

I was waiting for that response. Firstly we are not the only country with a budget and banking problem, just look at the UK and all their recent cuts. Second, just because FF are idiots doesn't mean there arnt smart people in this country capable of running it. Thirdly, we are still a very rich country, in the top 10 in many lists so we are hardly a complete basket case.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

I'd rather go bankrupt, suffer a famine and contract aids rather than be ruled by the British.

The queen was the one asking for an emergency fund for the people (can't remember exactly what for) be dived into for her heating bill, so...

Kev_ps3

Here is another quote from Churchill orourkeda

We have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English.

Not surprising someone with your views looks up to such a man.

orourkeda

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I was waiting for that response. Firstly we are not the only country with a budget and banking problem, just look at the UK and all their recent cuts. Second, just because FF are idiots doesn't mean there arnt smart people in this country capable of running it. Thirdly, we are still a very rich country, in the top 10 in many lists so we are hardly a complete basket case.

If there are smarter people out there that are more capable of running our nation WHERE ARE THEY?

We may be one of the wealther nations but we are still a third world nation in many respects. Measuring a nations "success" in financial terms alone does not show the big picture.

orourkeda

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Here is another quote from Churchill orourkeda

We have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English.

Not surprising someone with your views looks up to such a man.

Isn't it a bit dangerous to assume somebodys views on the basis of a signature in an internet forum. Talk about jumping to conclusions. I dare say you don't know the first thing about my views and how you can claim to on this basis is beyond me.

Just for the record I dont "look up to the man" as you put it. I just used one of his quotations.

Kev_ps3

orourkeda wrote: »

If there are smarter people out there that are more capable of running our nation WHERE ARE THEY?

We may be one of the wealther nations but we are still a third world nation in many respects. Measuring a nations "success" in financial terms alone does not show the big picture.

Anyone is more capable then FF at running Ireland.
In what respects are we still a third world nation?

Kev_ps3

orourkeda wrote: »

Isn't it a bit dangerous to assume somebodys views on the basis of a signature in an internet forum. Talk about jumping to conclusions. I dare say you don't know the first thing about my views and how you can claim to on this basis is beyond me.

If I quoted Hitler then I would assume people would think I admired him. Pretty obvious.

orourkeda

THFC wrote: »

I'd rather go bankrupt, suffer a famine and contract aids rather than be ruled by the British.

The bankruptcy bit is only around the corner if we keep going as we are. I think the Brits would look elsewhere if they ever choose to embark upon imperial conquests again.

orourkeda

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

If I quoted Hitler then I would assume people would think I admired him. Pretty obvious.

It's a stupid and dangerous assumption. It's a QUOTATION.

I have little real knowledge of and even less affinity towards Winston Churchill and your assumption was wide of the mark.

jetpack101

We do have people smart enough to run this country.... the trouble is, our system makes it almost impossible for them to reach the positions where they can do any good.

We are all European's now since we voted in favor of the European constitution.

orourkeda

jetpack101 wrote: »

We do have people smart enough to run this country.... the trouble is, our system makes it almost impossible for them to reach the positions where they can do any good.

We are all European's now since we voted in favor of the European constitution.

Perhaps we do but the fact is they are not running the country.

Kev_ps3

orourkeda wrote: »

It's a stupid and dangerous assumption. It's a QUOTATION.

So your telling me if I had a Hitler quote as a sig and advocated the Germans talking over Ireland and someone assumed I was a Nazi they would be stupid and dangerous to think such a thing?

Biggins

I'm tired of these stupid questions. Christ!

orourkeda

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

So your telling me if I had a Hitler quote as a sig and advocated the Germans talking over Ireland and someone assumed I was a Nazi they would be stupid and dangerous to think such a thing?

My point is it is dangerous to assume anything on the basis of a signature. Just because somebody thinks something, that doesnt means it is correct either. Anyone could type as a signature that they are a seven foot tall bodybuilder with a 14 inch flute. Would you automatically assume they were telling the truth on the basis of that signature?

staker

THFC wrote: »

I'd rather go bankrupt, suffer a famine and contract aids rather than be ruled by the British.

Why the username so?

orourkeda

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Anyone is more capable then FF at running Ireland.
In what respects are we still a third world nation?

A simple newsworthy example.

Do you remember the recent story concerning cystic fibrosis facilities that was recently highlighted on liveline of all places.

jetpack101

orourkeda wrote: »

Anyone could type as a signature that they are a seven foot tall bodybuilder with a 14 inch flute. Would you automatically assume they were telling the truth on the basis of that signature?

You calling me a lier

orourkeda

jetpack101 wrote: »

You calling me a lier

pics or gtfo

Rebelheart

Just in case any of you have missed it - and a slew of you clearly have - the British economy is fúcked. And it's getting worse. A quick google will tell you as much.

If any state is to "take us over" it will be the more advanced and economically stable countries of Europe like Germany and France. There are also more sophisticated ways of "taking us over" these days. And this in effect is happening at the moment.

jetpack101

orourkeda wrote: »

pics or gtfo

:D
I don't have a camera with a big enough lens
:D

windsurfer99ie

Rebelheart wrote: »

Just in case any of you have missed it - and a slew of you clearly have - the British economy is fúcked. And it's getting worse. A quick google will tell you as much.

If any state is to "take us over" it will be the more advanced and economically stable countries of Europe like Germany and France. There are also more sophisticated ways of "taking us over" these days. And this in effect is happening at the moment.

I suggest that if you are going to make sweeping statements like "The British economy is ..." then you should perhaps take a rather more analytical view than a couple of google searches. The British economy is technically (at any rate) out of recession. They have control of their own currency and interest rates and for this reason have far more control over their economy than any eurozone country. However, they are still trying to divest themselves of the money pit in the North, so I doubt they have any interest in trying to help us out.

As for Germany and France being "economically stable" who are you trying to kid ? Do you follow current affairs ? German unemployment is still running at over 10% with major structural problems in the East - if that is your idea of a successful economy then off you go !

Rebelheart

windsurfer99ie wrote: »

I suggest that if you are going to make sweeping statements like "The British economy is ..." then you should perhaps take a rather more analytical view than a couple of google searches. The British economy is technically (at any rate) out of recession....
As for Germany and France being "economically stable" who are you trying to kid ? Do you follow current affairs ? German unemployment is still running at over 10% with major structural problems in the East - if that is your idea of a successful economy then off you go !

There's a difference between saying "economically stable" and saying "more economically stable", which is what I actually said. You appear to be oblivious to such an important nuance. Is English your first language?

At any rate, your "statistics" on the German unemployment rate are also wrong: it's not "over 10%" - it's 7.5%, which as it happens is a lower unemployment rate than in Britain, at 7.7%.
(Source 1 & Source 2). As for 'technically' emerging out of recession: Germany did that in the 2nd and 3rd quarters of 2009 (Source 1); Britain followed suit in the fourth quarter (Source 2).

Before you feign expertise again and go on a rant against a poster, check your own statistics. It would save you this sort of embarrassment.

orourkeda

jetpack101 wrote: »

:D
I don't have a camera with a big enough lens
:D

excuses excuses

Guy:Incognito

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

why would you want to be ruled by a foreign country?

Setting aside all the stupid anti-English opinion and general rubbish, what difference would be ruled by a foreign country make?It would just be a different group of politicians making the decisions.

Meh imo. I have no big romantic opinion of any country just because I happened to be born there.

Rebelheart

Stekelly wrote: »

Setting aside all the stupid anti-English opinion and general rubbish.

Hang on a minute, saying 'Why would you want to be ruled by a foreign country?' is a "stupid anti-English opinion and general rubbish"

Strange.

Misanthrope

It wouldn't work.After the resumption of a mainland campaign and the bombing and deaths of British civilians in major urban centres, the whole thing would turn sour.

Anyway it's one of those typical troll topics isn't it?The whole thread was designed to instigate a raging debate on a hypothesis which, however unlikely in the present or future, has occurred in the past with disastrous consequence.

This is what POMs are reduced to in Ireland these days.They've gone from being given the entire country on a plate, to loitering on forums trying to provoke people into a nationalistic tirade about the past, in an attempt to revisit the 'old glory'.

So if the OP is not a POM, are you that hard up for entertainment?Or are you really that obsequious and spineless you would actually contemplate such a scenario.

The streets would run red.

jugger0

The UK is a sh1t country. We have some shocking anti social behaviour, what they have is 10 times worse. You'd be better off with a decent country taking us over, nothing we cant fix ourselves though.

Misanthrope

Stekelly wrote: »

Setting aside all the stupid anti-English opinion and general rubbish, what difference would be ruled by a foreign country make?It would just be a different group of politicians making the decisions.

Meh imo. I have no big romantic opinion of any country just because I happened to be born there.

It's not an issue of national pride here.It's about the nature and size of governance.

I don't want to live under a government who wilfully and habitually exposes it's population to war and retaliatory attacks to government foreign policy.

I wan't to live under smaller more localised government, which I can have a say in.

I wouldn't be against the dissolution of Ireland as a nation into 3 or 4 separate sovereign states, so as to be closer to and more involved in political processes that affect my life.

But some people just have a hard on for kneeling to monarchs/tyrants.What baffles me is why people of this pro brit persuasion don't go and live the dream.You could be on a boat this evening and scrubbing royal privees by tomorrow.What are you waiting for.

I lived in England and could not get out of there fast enough.A nation of pot noodle stuffed,drunken,soccer hooligan chavs.Cannon fodder, dispensible and bizarrely proud of it all.Their culture is PUKE.The clever ones in the population (infestation)there won't deny this either.

I wouldn't want to be ruled by any other country no matter who it is.

Celly Smunt

jugger0 wrote: »

The UK is a sh1t country. We have some shocking anti social behaviour, what they have is 10 times worse. You'd be better off with a decent country taking us over, nothing we cant fix ourselves though.

taking their population and our population into account they out number us 10-1 which leads me to the conclusion that or anti-social behavior is just as bad as there's just if we had their population the similarities would be a mirror image imo.

Misanthrope

pmcmahon wrote: »

taking their population and our population into account they out number us 10-1 which leads me to the conclusion that or anti-social behavior is just as bad as there's just if we had their population the similarities would be a mirror image imo.

Social behaviour is not exclusively influenced by population.Their population is
13.5 times ours.This is a relatively meaningless statistic by itself.Population density would be a better thing to go by, though it is still not a sole motivating factor towards anti social behaviour.

There are thousands of factors that make British people behave the way they do.Suggesting that we would be the exact same if we had the same population is a massive leap of faith.

The fact that we have not colonised anybody, have not joined world wars,or any other wars,is one huge difference.It is abhorrent to most Irish people.Not to our neighbours though who saw it as their 'Burden'.

Unfortunately we seem to be mimicking their lowest examples of humanity.Boy racers, tacky designer wear,suped up Hondas,N-Dubz and Man U shirts.Anyone in Ireland who likes this should just move to Britain and be that chav that's inside them scratching to get out.

Misanthrope

windsurfer99ie wrote: »

They have control of their own currency and interest rates and for this reason have far more control over their economy than any eurozone country.

Aha! You see this is where we currently have the advantage.We get someone else to take care of that boring stuff.Some German eejit probably.

As much as I dread it's trash culture, I envy the fact that they can at least Britain can control it's own finances.

"Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws" - Mayer Rothschild

Kivaro

Biggins wrote: »

I'm tired of these stupid questions. Christ!

This is AH so where else can they be asked?

th3 s1aught3r

The first real chance we had at prosperity since the foundation of the state and we made a complete arse of it. Ruined the country for possibly 2 generations.
It may be treasonous to say this but I would rather be ruled by the UK right now than FF

maxxie

I would rather burn the country to the ground than hand it back to that ugly bastard! To even suggest us joining the UK again is shocking!

Why are people looking to be ruled!! If you are so pissed off about the situation then ****in use your head and make a difference!

The unrest that would follow a return to british rule would be far worse than a economic recession! Some of you would know because you would be hung for treason against the state

Latchy

windsurfer99ie wrote: »

The British economy is technically (at any rate) out of recession. They have control of their own currency and interest rates and for this reason have far more control over their economy than any eurozone country. However, they are still trying to divest themselves of the money pit in the North, so I doubt they have any interest in trying to help us out.

And that in a nutshell , give or take a few billion quid is the difference .

My name is URL

orourkeda wrote: »

because we're too stupid to rule ourselves

What's this we business? Surely if we are too stupid to manage our own country then we're also too stupid to determine whether or not handing control to someone else is a good idea..

Up until a few years ago we were the envy of most other EU countries. who was saying we were too stupid to control our own destiny then? The problem isn't that we don't lack the ability to run the country, it's that everyone seems to have this view that things are static and cannot be improved. It was the same during the height of the boom.. people thought it'd last forever, and now that it's gone belly up, people assume it'll never get any better.

Misanthrope

Stekelly wrote: »

Shes not exactly flush herself.

Plus they already have one Irish moneypit on their hands , I doubt they'd want to double that.

That is a lie the royal family's PR team have peen spouting for the last 20 years or so.It's laughable.

Her wealth as you know of it, is merely what's in the biscuit tin, her petty cash.

The Monarch of the Commonwealth Realms is a corporation sole – she or he may possess property as monarch which is distinct from the property he or she possesses personally, and may do acts as monarch distinguished from their personal acts.

Elizabeth II has several corporations sole.She need's them in Canada and Australia to get around their federal governments.

These scumbags have trillions, tied up in all sorts of places.And they live like kings(npi) while many parts of Britain are borderline 3rd world.

Agricola

Id rather be bailed out by the IMF than go back into the UK. Not for any big republican reasons, more a case of us adding our massive debts to the UK's massives debts isnt going to do us or them any good in the short term.

Of course alot of the mistakes that were made in Ireland were also made in other countries. Greed and stupidity are certainly not purely Irish character traits. What we really need to do is mature as a people and actually think about the common good rather than only about feathering our own nests. There has to be alot of reform for that to even begin to happen though. Starting from the top down with the politicians. The electoral system here is a cod which promotes back scratching. We need to have elected representatives who arent obligated to voters so that they legislate for national issues without worrying about losing seats.
That would be a good start. I think theres more chance of the Pope becoming a Muslim that there is of the Dail reforming though.