PWT Contract

peanuthead

Hi

Just wondering what exactly a PWT contract stands for?

I recently took a position in a school and got my first pay into my account. Now into my account, beside the amount it recognises the payment as XYZ VEC-PWT

No my understanding of PWT was that it was Permanent Whole Time, but the job I went for was PRPT.

What does all that mean? Is that normal or has there been an error? Its an 18 hour contract if that makes any difference.

TheDriver

probably the same pay as pwt position, its your contract which is the proper thing.

peanuthead

Great, well yeah that is the main thing, you're right. I haven't signed that yet, but I believe thats a Nov 1 job?

rainbowtrout

peanuthead wrote: »

Great, well yeah that is the main thing, you're right. I haven't signed that yet, but I believe thats a Nov 1 job?

As in you will wait until Nov 1???

No, RPT contracts can be given out up to Nov 1. After that you will have hours in the school which are your own but no entitlement to RPT status for the year.

Why haven't you signed yet?

As for the code beside your pay, I also work for a VEC and a few months ago my pay went in a day earlier and the code VTOS was beside it. I've never worked for VTOS within my VEC. It's probably just their own codes so they can track payments and they're not all that accurate.

peanuthead

rainbowtrout wrote: »

As in you will wait until Nov 1???

No, RPT contracts can be given out up to Nov 1. After that you will have hours in the school which are your own but no entitlement to RPT status for the year.

Why haven't you signed yet?

As for the code beside your pay, I also work for a VEC and a few months ago my pay went in a day earlier and the code VTOS was beside it. I've never worked for VTOS within my VEC. It's probably just their own codes so they can track payments and they're not all that accurate.

I'm only in the job 2 weeks and while I have filled in two forms, one to do with payment details, the other stating that I am registered with the teaching council, I haven't been sent anything to sign.

I am switching over to another VEC and haven't supplied the new one with all the relevant info (like P45) as I was still on the payroll for the other VEC until yesterday.

I spoke to a senior member of staff in the school about this and she said to me "Whatever you sign off on on the 1st November is what you will get" so I assumed by that statement that I would be signing something this coming Monday.

I have to say, I have really tried to understand all of this contract stuff and every time I think I have it it turns out theres something huge I'm missing.

rainbowtrout

peanuthead wrote: »

I'm only in the job 2 weeks and while I have filled in two forms, one to do with payment details, the other stating that I am registered with the teaching council, I haven't been sent anything to sign.

I am switching over to another VEC and haven't supplied the new one with all the relevant info (like P45) as I was still on the payroll for the other VEC until yesterday.

I spoke to a senior member of staff in the school about this and she said to me "Whatever you sign off on on the 1st November is what you will get" so I assumed by that statement that I would be signing something this coming Monday.

I have to say, I have really tried to understand all of this contract stuff and every time I think I have it it turns out theres something huge I'm missing.

Fair enough. What she means is whatever hours you are on Nov 1st is what will be on your contract. So if you are on 18 next week that's what your contract will be for. If you pick up 2 extra hours in a fortnight, you will be paid for 20 but your contract will be for 18 and you will have 2 casual hours (not sure what the term for them is).

peanuthead

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Fair enough. What she means is whatever hours you are on Nov 1st is what will be on your contract. So if you are on 18 next week that's what your contract will be for. If you pick up 2 extra hours in a fortnight, you will be paid for 20 but your contract will be for 18 and you will have 2 casual hours (not sure what the term for them is).

Oh right, thanks for that.

Although you have me worried about the status of my contract now that 1st Nov is looming. I will phone the VEC on Monday to make sure everything is okay. I'm anxious to sign off on the hours anyway to be honest as I'm sure most would.

rainbowtrout

peanuthead wrote: »

Oh right, thanks for that.

Although you have me worried about the status of my contract now that 1st Nov is looming. I will phone the VEC on Monday to make sure everything is okay. I'm anxious to sign off on the hours anyway to be honest as I'm sure most would.

No need to worry about your contract, as you said yourself you only got the job a couple of weeks ago and your contract will be dated from then, it's people who get appointed to jobs after November 1st who do not get RPT contracts.

implausible

I thought they were getting rid of 18 hr RPTs. What I gleaned from a recent meeting was that people with contracts for 18 hours or more are full-time and get paid as such. It's up to the school to fill up those hours to 22 and they should, as the teacher is getting paid for them.

Open to correction

rainbowtrout

deemark wrote: »

I thought they were getting rid of 18 hr RPTs. What I gleaned from a recent meeting was that people with contracts for 18 hours or more are full-time and get paid as such. It's up to the school to fill up those hours to 22 and they should, as the teacher is getting paid for them.

Open to correction

No you can be on an 18 hour RPT contract. If you get a CID for 18 or more hours after the four years you can sign a form that states that you are willing to be timetabled for up to 22 hours and a consequence of that is that you will be paid for 22 hours whether you are timetabled for 22 hours or not. The hours have to come from the schools allocation, hence the reason why some principals are keeping teachers one class below 18 in their fourth year, otherwise they'd suddenly have to find an extra 4 hours for them on the timetable the following year and unfortunately some are not amenable to that.

Two teachers in my school were on 18 hours in their fourth year, got their CIDs for 18 hours last year and went to get the principal to sign the form to allow them to be paid for 22. The principal is expected to timetable them for the full 22 by the VEC as that is the most economically viable solution. However they were both made feel guilty for looking for the hours and were told 'three (named) teachers will lose their jobs because of you two, do you want that to happen?' They didn't back down and the teachers didn't lose their jobs. Horrible situation to be in though.

This is the form 'Form H 22' if anyone is interested.

implausible

rainbowtrout wrote: »

If you get a CID for 18 or more hours after the four years you can sign a form that states that you are willing to be timetabled for up to 22 hours and a consequence of that is that you will be paid for 22 hours whether you are timetabled for 22 hours or not.

There doesn't appear to be a "D'oh" smilie:D You're right, the 18+ hour thing is in relation to CIDs.