RTE HD GOING LIVE

lgs 4

what can we look forward to on RTE HD from next week ?:rolleyes:

Stinicker

lgs 4 wrote: »

what can we look forward to on RTE HD from next week ?:rolleyes:

No, and I think first High-Def broadcast will probably a game in the Championship next summer, probably the Leinster Football Final or the clash of the titans between Kerry & Cork whichever comes first.

Macy0161

Stinicker wrote: »

No, and I think first High-Def broadcast will probably a game in the Championship next summer, probably the Leinster Football Final or the clash of the titans between Kerry & Cork whichever comes first.

What about the Rugby, if not the autumn the 6 Nations? I thought the BBC, for the 6 nations at least, provide the pictures for RTE and they're already HD? I presume the Champions League is the same, with HD already and option.

Given the RTE love of the GAA, they will probably delay it until Cooney is ready though...

An Tarbh

As far as I know RTÉ are host broadcaster for both the Six Nations (certainly for 2010) and Autumn Internationals and they provided a HD feed for international broadcasters.

lgs 4

lets have lots us drama like flash forward when its returns next year

watty

They need their HD playout installed and working. Might be done by now or soon

givecredit

lgs 4 wrote: »

lets have lots us drama like flash forward when its returns next year

You will be waiting a while for flashforward. It was axed last year by the US network.

They did'nt see that one coming...

Keith186

Any companies going to carry RTE HD do you know it will it be terrestrial only for now?

watty

Only terrestrial at first. UPC and Sky would have to do dual carriage which is more expensive. Saorview is HD as minumum spec, so no dual transmission.

lgs 4

givecredit wrote: »

You will be waiting a while for flashforward. It was axed last year by the US network.

They did'nt see that one coming...

if will be on 7 march 2011in the us check out facebook flashforward

Dunnie1982

lgs 4 wrote: »

if will be on 7 march 2011in the us check out facebook flashforward

It must be a rerun as Flash Forward was definitely cancelled. Hopefully The Event & Champions League will be shown in HD.

Hootanany

Will i be able to get it on freesat

watty

Short answer NO!

Longer answer... http://www.techtir.ie/saortv/saorsat

Hootanany

watty wrote: »

Short answer NO!

Longer answer... http://www.techtir.ie/saortv/saorsat

Thanks

An Tarbh

watty wrote: »

Only terrestrial at first. UPC and Sky would have to do dual carriage which is more expensive. Saorview is HD as minumum spec, so no dual transmission.

What I don't get re RTÉ HD is that it's only going to be available on Saorview, yet licence fee money is going to be funding it. BBC1HD is launching on Wednesday in the UK and will be available on every platform over there, so why not the same with RTÉ HD. As state broadcaster their channels should be available right across the board, if not they shouldn't be launching extra channels in the first place.

watty

UK digital has been on the go for maybe 10 years.
BBC HD has been running for ages on Freesat only, not on DTT
The UK has VERY limited HD DTT rollout.

We have NO equivalent to Freesat, till maybe April 2011 or may 2011
Our DTT is HD from Day1, which is only today.

So you you are comparing Apples and Pineapples.

Ste_D

I completely agree with An Tarbh - we're expected to pay an extortionate license fee to watch the muck they broadcast and now they are releasing a new channel that wont be available to most people. Seems crazy to me.

Anyway, I'm in no hurry to see Marty Morrisy and Ann Doyle in HD :eek:

watty

It is NOT a new channel.
BBC HD was, it wasn't the same as other BBC channels. BBC1 HD is a simulcast. Most Terrestrial viewers can't get ANY HD in UK.

There is no Separate RTE HD channel. RTE2 will simply sometimes be HD on Digital Terrestrial, which is now over 92% coverage. TV3 is only on 80% coverage.

The ONLY alternatives to Analogue and Digital Terrestrial for Irish channels are PayTV. This is not the same situation as in UK.

No one is insisting you limit yourself to payTV. Nor will you miss any RTE2 program on UPC or Sky, it's the same programs on Saorview and payTV.

For YEARS only PayTV viewers had Widescreen. Because of Government addiction to a Pay-TV model for DTT we have been deprived of Widescreen on ALL free Irish TV (Analogue only). Now with Saorview the ordinary licence fee payers get Widescreen and sometimes sharper (HD) picture. Sky and UPC will have HD eventually. They as with existing signal have to pay for the carriage as they are charging their viewers.

STB

An Tarbh wrote: »

What I don't get re RTÉ HD is that it's only going to be available on Saorview, yet licence fee money is going to be funding it. BBC1HD is launching on Wednesday in the UK and will be available on every platform over there, so why not the same with RTÉ HD. As state broadcaster their channels should be available right across the board, if not they shouldn't be launching extra channels in the first place.

This has been discussed to death in another thread.

The channels will be made available in time to other platforms. You do not have to subscribe to a private company to receive it. It is Free to Air. You pay your TV licence because its the law to have a licence should you have a TV. Yes your money does go to the PSB whose main aim is to provide FTA coverage in ROI. This will also be available FTA on satellite from April 2011 on 9E. RTE are rolling out a whole new platform. Yes there is more content. Isnt that a good thing ?

Whilst the heavily funded BBC1HD channel will available on all plaftorms, you may wish to note that another public service broadcaster in the UK is not available free to air on satellite ie CH4HD probably due to certain companies sitting on transponder space. Coincidentally you have to subscribe to Sky to receive CH$HD. Irish people do not have to pander to Sky and pay the associated bills in order to receive Irish DTT including HD content or Freesat from the UK.

normanbond

looking for the fools guide. i have a digital tv with freeview (dunno if that makes any difference!) I have an existing arial on the roof and it's connected to the tv. I tried tuning via the DTV option on my remote. I am hearing the sound, but no picture!!
...in short how do i get tuned in??
I suppose the sky box is of no use!"

STB

normanbond wrote: »

looking for the fools guide. i have a digital tv with freeview (dunno if that makes any difference!) I have an existing arial on the roof and it's connected to the tv. I tried tuning via the DTV option on my remote. I am hearing the sound, but no picture!!
...in short how do i get tuned in??
I suppose the sky box is of no use!"

Your Tv must have MPEG4 capability (its the video format RTE broadcast in). Your TV is MPEG2 and cant decode those MPEG4 pictures. Freeview is a British broadcast system. We use better video compression for our Standard Definition stations. In short it wont work.

You will need a Saorview set top box which will do DTT alone OR a HD Combo box like this or this which does both satellite and terrestrial in one channel list without the need to subscribe to Sky.

Your Sky box is a satellite box. This is digital terrestrial.

lemd

normanbond wrote: »

looking for the fools guide. i have a digital tv with freeview (dunno if that makes any difference!) I have an existing arial on the roof and it's connected to the tv. I tried tuning via the DTV option on my remote. I am hearing the sound, but no picture!!
...in short how do i get tuned in??
I suppose the sky box is of no use!"

Sounds like you don't have an mpeg4 tuner in your tv. You need a mpeg4 set top box or a mpeg4 cam plugged into the CI slot in your tv (if it has one) to recieve the picture

normanbond

thanks for the tech info. what a bummer!!

STB

Cams are no longer a solution. They will not do HD.

Buy either a set top box €99 or a HD Combo sat & terrstrial box €160/€170.

lemd

STB wrote: »

Cams are no longer a solution. They will not do HD.

Buy either a set top box €99 or a HD Combo sat & terrstrial box €160/€170.

Cheers, hadn't heard that. is it being talked about on boards? a quick search didn't reveal anything

normanbond

This is gas, typical Ireland...
I have 3 different flat screen tv's , all fairly new... and none are compatible with this digital service!!
I guess that the TV retailer/wholesalers are in cahoots with this roll out of the new digital service. The vast amount of people will now have to either buy a new tv if they want to avoid buying another black box to clutter up the living room!!
Free to air...me arse!!
Another pup sold to the Irish public....................

Mr McBoatface

normanbond wrote: »

This is gas, typical Ireland...
I have 3 different flat screen tv's , all fairly new... and none are compatible with this digital service!!
I guess that the TV retailer/wholesalers are in cahoots with this roll out of the new digital service. The vast amount of people will now have to either buy a new tv if they want to avoid buying another black box to clutter up the living room!!
Free to air...me arse!!
Another pup sold to the Irish public....................

Please speak for yourself and not the Irish public. Speaking as a member of the Irish Public I'm very happy with the Free to Air service I receive via RTE digital

RTENL have had that information onthier site for ages. The information about mpeg4 has been available for years. A little research on a forum such as this one would have confirmed if the TV's you bought where compatible or not.

If you must blame somebody for having incompatible TV's blame yourself. It wasn't a problem for you yesterday so why are you making an issue about it today?

watty

The UK public has bought HD and HD Ready TVs. Tesco, Currys etc STILL selling them today. They don't work at all with the new UK BBC1 HD on Terrestrial. BBC HD has been on test on various UK DTT sites since November 2009.

People bought B&W sets and 405 sets before and after 625 line and Colour startup.

Sky has launched 3D TV. Even some HD TVs with 3D don't work with it.

The Irish Spec has been out a long while. Retailers appear to have ignored this and imported UK Freeview Digital. The newer UK "Freeview HD" mostly does work.

Macy0161

Powercity have been flagging tv's as Irish DTT ready for months, not sure about other irish retailers. It's the big UK multiples that have maybe been pulling a fast one imo, but even they have been doing very good deals on mpeg2 TV's recently (I picked one up in argos for a room that'll have a combo at not much over ton for a 19inch).

Not sure how that changes whether it's FTA or not - it's a once off cost for either an STB and TV.

Mr Ed

jobyrne30 wrote: »

RTENL have had that information onthier site for ages. The information about mpeg4 has been available for years. A little research on a forum such as this one would have confirmed if the TV's you bought where compatible or not.

If you must blame somebody for having incompatible TV's blame yourself. It wasn't a problem for you yesterday so why are you making an issue about it today?

Or the muppets who sold you the TV, a little research goes a long way.

The Cush

My research started in early 2008, I purchased my first MPEG-4 Sony TV in May 2008 from Komplett - two and a half months before MPEG-4 was confirmed as the video compression standard. I wanted to be sure whichever standard was chosen (MPEG-2 or MPEG-4) I would be OK.

I've been watching the engineering test transmissions from Mullaghanish and Woodcock Hill since Mar 2009.

Press release from late July 2008 confirming MPEG-4 as the chosen video compression standard

Minister Ryan announces end of Digital Terrestrial Television trial
24 July 2008

Minister Ryan announces end of Digital Terrestrial Television trial · Results of trial published · MPEG4 technology chosen for Irish market · National rollout to begin in autumn 2009

...

Technology chosen
As a result of the trial, Ireland will follow countries like France, Sweden, Norway and Estonia in adopting the latest digital television technology – MPEG 4 - which is capable of offering high definition services and more content. This means that Ireland will not be adopting the standard currently used in the UK. Commenting on this decision Minister Ryan said that “The new technology is a better option as it offers more scope for future expansion – more space for content, and high definition services. Furthermore, most of the UK receiver equipment tested as part of the trial did not work properly or at all on the Irish DTT network.

Under the Broadcasting (Amendment) Act 2007, RTÉ is responsible for developing the national DTT service to provide access to the Irish TV channels, free to air. Explaining the decision to use the MPEG4 technology, Cathal Goan, RTÉ’s Director General said –“MPEG 4 is the technology of choice for DTT as it allows space for more content and for high definition channels. We want to ensure that our viewers get the best value for money in the switch to digital television – more channels, more services and better quality pictures.’

http://www.digitaltelevision.ie/News/Minister+Ryan+announces+end+of+Digital+Terrestrial+Television+trial.htm

normanbond

'mpeg4' now i wonder how many paddy's could tell ya what that means......
they'll know soon enough ........ when they have to go shopping for their new TV!!

Mr McBoatface

normanbond wrote: »

'mpeg4' now i wonder how many paddy's could tell ya what that means......
they'll know soon enough ........ when they have to go shopping for their new TV!!

It won't make a bit of difference to most people. They'll either have Sky or NTL and to a lesser extent Free To Air satellite/dtt combo boxes.

The non-public test broadcasts have been ongoing in MPEG4 for the last two years. While not intended for the public alot of people like myself and several of the members that post on these forums have found the broadcast to be excellent quality and better than the official public analogue service. The switch from none public test to public trial service means very little for most people I'd imagine.

The Cush

jobyrne30 wrote: »

While not intended for the public alot of people like myself and several of the members that post on these forums have found the broadcast to be excellent quality and better than the official public analogue service. The switch from none public test to public trial service means very little for most people I'd imagine.

I agree, just a step closer to the full launch and eventual analogue switchoff.

Gipo3

normanbond wrote: »

'mpeg4' now i wonder how many paddy's could tell ya what that means......
they'll know soon enough ........ when they have to go shopping for their new TV!!

THEY WONT NEED A NEW TV

The Cush

normanbond wrote: »

'mpeg4' now i wonder how many paddy's could tell ya what that means......
they'll know soon enough ........ when they have to go shopping for their new TV!!

Many will still come home with non-MPEG4 TVs because of less than knowledgeable or less than honest sales people. Christmas and New Year sales are around the corner and stock will have to be moved.

podgeandrodge

lgs 4 wrote: »

lets have lots us drama like flash forward when its returns next year

givecredit wrote: »

You will be waiting a while for flashforward. It was axed last year by the US network.

They did'nt see that one coming...

Dunnie1982 wrote: »

It must be a rerun as Flash Forward was definitely cancelled.

Well actually lgs4 may not be completely off the mark. There are rumours that the Starz studio is interested in entering into talks about producing a second season of Flash Forward. Nothing confirmed yet though...

poolboy

Sorry im lost i have sky tv was about to install a second sky box just as a free to air option should i change my plans is it possible to install something to receive this new service and the english free to air channels on one box does this require another dish also sorry this has probably been answered i appreciate your patience

watty

It's just the Irish Channels.
It works via aerial. Either with a suitable Digital TV or a suitable Terrestrial (not Satellite) set-box
You need dish + Satellite box for UK TV.
More detail http://www.techtir.ie/saortv

STB

poolboy wrote: »

Sorry im lost i have sky tv was about to install a second sky box just as a free to air option should i change my plans Q1 is it possible to install something to receive this new service and the english free to air channels on one box Q2 does this require another dish also sorry this has probably been answered i appreciate your patience

Q1 YES = A HD Combo box like this or this which does both satellite and terrestrial in one channel list without the need to subscribe to Sky.

Q2 For more than one satellite box you replace the LNB with a quad lnb which allows you 4 connections to 4 satellite boxes.

STB

normanbond wrote: »

This is gas, typical Ireland...
I have 3 different flat screen tv's , all fairly new... and none are compatible with this digital service!!
I guess that the TV retailer/wholesalers are in cahoots with this roll out of the new digital service. The vast amount of people will now have to either buy a new tv if they want to avoid buying another black box to clutter up the living room!!
Free to air...me arse!!
Another pup sold to the Irish public....................

Its only been on in mpeg4 since August 2008!

The retailers are more likely in cahoots with the pay operators....

watty

Even before that it was likely it would MPEG4.
The 2006 dcenr trial was a political effort to whip up PayTV partner, not real DTT testing.

Never assuming conspiracy when stupity could be the answer..