Monkeys

trudy07

did you have any luck in finding a monkey ....Im looking for a marmoset monkey and I am finding it really difficult to locate a contact?
I have done a lot of research contacted by vet, department of agriculture and i have read a lot of theory behind them please can anyone help me?

seamus

Note: I've moved this to a thread of its own.

crotalus667

im not trying to be funny but "getting one is a bad idea" unless toy can offer it a zoo like set up and they need company so really you need a few of them , and dont expect to be able to treat them like you see people doing in tv programs even small monkeys can take your arm out of the socket

Cherry Blossom

The only monkey's I've ever seen for sale was a number of years ago, they were tamarins and the seller was only willing to sell them as a pair at €5,000 each. Do you really want them bad enough to have to morgage your house to purchase them and pay for installing a suitable environment and for their upkeep? Have you found a vet that would be able to deal with them?

crotalus667

you can get them a fair bit cheaper but I think the vet bit is of more concern , there are very few that would deal with them letalone have enough experence to do so

jap gt

saw a monkey for sale on donedeal not so long ago

Discodog

If you have done your research you will know that Marmosets like most primates need to live in social groups. Keeping a single Marmoset could be regarded as cruel in that it is being denied one of the key requirements for it's well being.

Tranceypoo

I find it ridiculous, bizarre, sad, shameful that you can buy monkeys or any kind of wild animal as a pet. And even stranger that anyone would actually want one.

Sigma Force

Agree with Discodog, you haven't done much research if you think it's ok to keep one as a pet let alone keeping one on their own. They might seem cute at first but they need a family group and can give a nasty bite as they mature. They often end up unwanted because of aggression or owners think keeping them in bird cages is enough. They need large housing that is heated and a large outdoor enclosure with their own kind, their diet needs to be carefully managed.
Better off taking a visit to monkey world or volunteering at the monkey sanctuary in wicklow.

sligopark

trudy07 wrote: »

did you have any luck in finding a monkey ....Im looking for a marmoset monkey and I am finding it really difficult to locate a contact?
I have done a lot of research contacted by vet, department of agriculture and i have read a lot of theory behind them please can anyone help me?

w t f for? :eek:

Tranceypoo wrote: »

I find it ridiculous, bizarre, sad, shameful that you can buy monkeys or any kind of wild animal as a pet. And even stranger that anyone would actually want one.

couldn't have put it better - get a cabbage patch doll

trudy07

I have done research for the last 2 years! iv checked with department of agriculture and my vet is certified and experienced!
dogs and cats are also "originally wild animals" and im willing to do whatever it takes, i have both a spare bedroom and garden ready to set up to give them loads of freedom to do there monkey business. I dote on all my animals and give them the best life i can if they weren't happy I would go to any length to make sure they had the best quality of life with me!
Thanks guys for all your advice but i have had loads of offers and found two baby capuchins 1 male and 1 female!

Discodog

trudy07 wrote: »

i have had loads of offers and found two baby capuchins 1 male and 1 female!

God that it so depressing !.

Roll on proper animal legislation.

ppink

trudy07 wrote: »

i have both a spare bedroom and garden ready

is this the natural habitat of a monkey.

too right depressing

Discodog

Sigma Force wrote: »

They might seem cute at first but they need a family group and can give a nasty bite as they mature. They often end up unwanted because of aggression

So true. Very few primates remain "tame" when they mature.

If anyone is planning a trip to the SW of the UK (Devon or Cornwall, Eden Centre) don't miss the Woolly Monkey Sanctuary near Looe. Wonderful example of how to care for primates. You are led into a room where everyone has to sit still. They then open a hatch & the monkeys can come in, only if they want to, to check you out. A female came in with a baby & the lecturer warned everyone not to touch it. One guy could not resist & got an amazing smack in the mouth from mother.

The Woolly monkeys have an huge area of tall trees linked by ropes. You can buy fruit to throw up to them. They reward your kindness by throwing down the peel with surprising accuracy.

Many of their Capuchin's are former pets:

http://www.monkeysanctuary.org/capuchin-monkeys

Cherry Blossom

trudy07 wrote: »

I have done research for the last 2 years! iv checked with department of agriculture and my vet is certified and experienced!
dogs and cats are also "originally wild animals" and im willing to do whatever it takes, i have both a spare bedroom and garden ready to set up to give them loads of freedom to do there monkey business. I dote on all my animals and give them the best life i can if they weren't happy I would go to any length to make sure they had the best quality of life with me!
Thanks guys for all your advice but i have had loads of offers and found two baby capuchins 1 male and 1 female!

What experience do you personally have of primates OP? you were looking for a marmoset and a day later anounce that you are getting 2 baby capuchins, just as a matter of interest from whom exactly are 2 babies going to learn how to be a capuchin? This doesn't exactly sound like someone who has done their reseach to me. You will go to any length to make sure they have the best quality of life with you, you are very assuming in your opinion that the best quality of life for them is with you. It sounds like you have got 2 siblings, are you planning on having them neutered?

Tranceypoo

I'm not denying you have good intentions with these monkeys but as long as there is demand from people like you, who think monkeys are cute pets then primates will always be hunted, ripped from the arms of their parents (who are then slaughtered) in their natural habitat, crated up and shipped to Europe, do you know the NATURAL HOME of a capuchin or marmoset monkey, I'll give you a clue, it's not Ireland.
As another poster said, pay a visit to Monkey World or some of the monkey sanctuarys in the UK, or the monkey sanctuary over here, which I think is in Wicklow, volunteer, help out. Seriously, capuchin monkeys in your SPARE ROOM?? Do you think that is a substitute for their natural habitat???!!

trudy07

No but i have heat lamps ropes, branches, etc in my bedroom and outside for the monkeys!!
The reason I am taking two capuchins is because a family friend neighbour in england moved house and left them there my relations are bringing them into their home untill i collect them, and I dont like to see any animal just abandoned.
Experience? right well I have been reading a lot about them, their background, caring for them in my home, illnesses ect. I am studying vetinary nursing and have based a lot of my research and assignments! But no I haven't owned one before to experience living with one but I have handled them before

Cherry Blossom

Edited

trudy07 wrote: »

No but i have heat lamps ropes, branches, etc in my bedroom and outside for the monkeys!!
The reason I am taking two capuchins is because a family friend neighbour in england moved house and left them there my relations are bringing them into their home untill i collect them, and I dont like to see any animal just abandoned.
Experience? right well I have been reading a lot about them, their background, caring for them in my home, illnesses ect. I am studying vetinary nursing and have based a lot of my research and assignments! But no I haven't owned one before to experience living with one but I have handled them before

<snip, more appropriate>It might be worth while doing work experience or volunteering at Monkey world.

Discodog

I have to be honest & say that the fact that you are studying Veterinary nursing makes this even more bizarre. You will be aware of the Hippocratic oath, sworn by Vets, part of which says "my constant endeavour will be to ensure the welfare of animals committed to my care".

You have a chosen to isolate two siblings, with no possibility of them being allowed to breed, so they will have to be neutered, as opposed to letting a sanctuary rear them in a proper social group. You will also be rearing them as tame pets rather than letting them develop as the wild animals that they are. How can your Vet neuter without being in breach of the oath ?.

You portray this as a rescue from abandonment but by not allowing them to live as "real" monkeys is it not almost as bad ?. Anyone owning these in England would need to be licensed & would in serious grief if they abandoned them. I suspect that they would also need a license to export.
If these animals are in England then there is a wonderful colony (see link), living as real monkeys, that would be happy to take them.

As yourself one question. Are you doing this because you really want them to have the best of care or because you like animals & fancy them as an exotic pet ?.

trudy07

like I said before i had everything i needed to set them up properly before buying so no it didnt miraculously fall into my hands!
so by that you are saying vets arent allowed to treat chinchillas, lizards, tortoises or even bengals can't be treated these are all exotic animals!!
and also like I said also I have researched every single aspect and I know exactely wat procedures, departments and steps that need to be taking to bring him and her in from england!

Lizard Queen

all i can say is that poor woman who had her face ripped of by her friends chimp. I know a chimp is a lot bigger than a what you are getting, i know you a studying vet nurse and as one myself. I think that keeping an animal like that is unfair even given all the right set up. I know what you say about dogs but they have been domestication over thousands of years and even then there are loads of cases every year but owners have been attacked by their dog so all i can is wish you the best of luck and b o malley would treat them if the situation occurred

Discodog

trudy07 wrote: »

like I said before i had everything i needed to set them up properly before buying so no it didnt miraculously fall into my hands!
so by that you are saying vets arent allowed to treat chinchillas, lizards, tortoises or even bengals can't be treated these are all exotic animals!!
and also like I said also I have researched every single aspect and I know exactely wat procedures, departments and steps that need to be taking to bring him and her in from england!

A Bengal is a domestic cat - unless you mean the tiger !. The rest are hardly classed as exotics - they are all common pets. Very few people have a monkey & a tiny number have any veterinary experience of them.

To be honest I too am sceptical regarding the story.

Btw I would think twice about mentioning it on your CV. My Vet would be horrified at the idea.

Cherry Blossom

Edited

Discodog wrote: »

My Vet would be horrified at the idea.

<Assumption about OP removed>

What I am though is experienced in trying to fix kids ponies that have been ruined by unknowledgeable people, I'm pretty certain there are thousands of people in the country with the knowhow to do this and there are rooms full of books on proper care and management & schooling practices, it all means squat in the hands of someone who has little hands on experience and no idea how to put that knowledge into practice though. I'm pretty sure there's a lot less back-up out there for monkey owners. <Unnecessary comment removed>
<Edt>Opps, Discodog - that wouldn't be hard to do, I don't have much!

Discodog

I will look after your money

mosi

Quite disturbing that OP is a trainee vet nurse who should know better. I agree with other posts here that have highlighted how the keeping of wild animals as pets just encourages a brutal global trade. Monkeys are just not pets. I've been fortunate enough to observe them in the wild and just cannot comprehend how a bedroom and/or enclosure in a yard can be considered suitable. They are highly intelligent and have boundless energy, and need A LOT of space and stimulaton. They often hang around campsites and lodges, and will do their best to initimidate hapless tourists. I've seen them zip open tents, steal food from cars and generally terrorise people! I've been charged by them on a couple of occassions. Maybe they were bluffing but I didn't want to find out. Of course, such occurences make for amusing anecdotes and I always find it funny watching what they will do next. However, this is in a context of the monkeys being free in their natural habitat (albeit one that us humans have imposed ourselves upon). In a confined, domestic set up, such (normal) monkey behaviour can become very dangerous for all involved, particularly if it then turns into abnormal behaviour as a result of abnormal living conditions.
OP, all of your "research" will not equip you to care for a monkey's needs. The fact that you went ahead and got two monkeys indicates to me that the quality of your research was very poor. You say the two Capuchins were abandoned. Did you inquire as to why this was so? More ignorant people taking on something they cannot handle? Why did you not try to gain a practical knowledge of monkeys, as others have said here, by volunteering at somewhere like the Wicklow monkey sanctuary? Have you ever bothered to go and see monkeys in the wild? Before anyone says that the OP can't be expected to afford a trip to Africa/South America/Asia etc., I would maintain that they therefore can't be expected to afford to pay for the specialised needs of two monkeys throughout their lives.
It seems though, as if you are determined to press ahead with this. However, would you maybe reconsider, and try and get the two Capuchins to a specialist rescue, here or in the UK? That would be the kindest option and perhaps you could offer to sponsor their upkeep (after all, you would have had to pay for them if keeping them yourself)

Discodog

I got the impression that they are in the UK awaiting export. I agree totally with your post,

Bubs99

I am a qualified veterinary assistant and we learnt alot about wild animals during our course. i also did a massive project on primates (chosen primates-gibbons) and I have seen many documentaries on primates also...it is so sad seeing babies been taken from their mothers while the mother is killed (gorrilas, chimps etc. etc.).

If you are a vet nurse, you of all people should know that what you are doing is 100% WRONG! Ireland is not place for primates...especially as pets. I always get angry and upset when I see people have pet monkeys, skunks etc.

Everyone is correct and I agree totally...a bedroom and a back garden is not right for two primates. Do you realise you will have to fully cover over the whole back garden or else they'll escape?! They will cost alot to keep and not many Irish vets are experienced in primates.

In my opinion and Im positive many others...it would be best for the animals sake to hand them in to a rescue sanctuary especially for primates. Being a vet nurse, you should know this. Also, like another person said, it took over 13,000 years for dog domestication and like it was said...they too still attack because its all still deep inside...their natural genes!

BE REALISTIC FOR THEIR SAKE!!!

Tranceypoo

If they are in the UK then the 'person' you are getting them off should hand them over to Monkey World in Dorset which is an amazing monkey sanctuary run by extremely knowledgeable people.

trudy07

Cheerz discodog!!:D