Lisbon 3

squod

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/tensions-likely-over-plans-to-change-lisbon-treaty-479441.html

Could be another vote on the aul Lisbon yoke. Polititionists are undecided on whether another vote is necessary. What's AH take, are we all ready for a distraction from the economy?

starbelgrade

I'm voting 'Yes'.

I couldn't be arsed visiting the polling station twice this time round.

round tower huntsman

vote yes for jobs!

starbelgrade

round tower huntsman wrote: »

vote yes for jobs!

Yeah - that worked out well for us!

Kiwi_knock

Seeing as there is no "No" option, I will be voting "Yes". Can not stand having to listen to it all over again, the easy option is yes if it comes to a referendum.

force eleven

Vote Yes for...er...jobs...

What a bunch of crapola, If by any chance it is put to the voters again,it will be rejected by a huge margin. Lies Lies Lies.:cool:

squod

I watched on the TV as they said they need to revise the ''no bail-out clause''.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

Seeing as there is no "No" option, I will be voting "Yes". Can not stand having to listen to it all over again, the easy option is yes if it comes to a referendum.

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm voting 'Yes'.

I couldn't be arsed visiting the polling station twice this time round.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neverendum&defid=2680651

PeterIanStaker

This'll bring the religious loonies and CIA stooges out of the holes they inhabit yet again.

I dont care anymore. Vote for the IMF bailout.

kowloon

Remember, NO = stabbing kittens.

PeterIanStaker

kowloon wrote: »

Remember, NO = stabbing kittens.

and also aborting kittens, having the kittens conscripted and adopted by gay couples.

starbelgrade

If you stab a gay kitten, does God care?

KINGVictor

To be honest, I dont see anything beyond the EU's constitutional right to amend the lisbon treaty as situations surrounding the initial treaty has significantly changed ( Greek economic fiasco etc.............)

My problem is that I sincerely hope that if it is put to the country in the form a referendum...it will be just once no matter the outcome!

Kiwi_knock

starbelgrade wrote: »

If you stab a gay kitten, does God care?

I think it depends if the kitten has taken part in a gay act. I am nearly certain that was in the Bible

Riamfada

Please kill me.

Nate--IRL--

Yes for Jobs!

Nate

kowloon

Does anyone else see that ad for pensions and see 'Penis' written in red or is it just my mind playing dirty tricks on me?
Anyway, back on topic, armies of gay kittens, can they be stopped?

Kiwi_knock

They really can not use the "Yes for Jobs" slogan anymore, may as well be honest and go with "Yes or we are f*cked"

Dempsey

Dont think we'll get to vote on EU issues again, that will be left to our esteemed politicians.

I'd vote no again anyways

Remember, voting yes = jobs and doesnt allow the EU to have any influence on our tax policies, ever!

starbelgrade

Dempsey wrote: »

Dont think we'll get to vote on EU issues again, that will be left to our esteemed politicians.

Not if it involves an amendment to the Constitution.

KINGVictor

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm voting 'Yes'.

I couldn't be arsed visiting the polling station twice this time round.

Sounds reasonable to be honest...experience has shown that ...what the EU aka (German Franco axis) wants it gets...and they must be licking their lips to see how the Irish electorate votes in the event of a referendum.

I reckon the slogan will be "remember in your difficult times there is a €750 bailout ready , when you are eventually man enough to accept your mess up"....
and funny enough they would get a lot of support....from guess who??

mickdw

There will not be a referendum. The poeple of Ireland have no power anymore since Lisbon II.

Sam Vimes

mickdw wrote: »

There will not be a referendum. The poeple of Ireland have no power anymore since Lisbon II.

Exactly. Like how the EU just raised our corporation tax.

Oh wait, that never happened. And neither did any of the other scare mongering bullsh!t that was supposed to happen if we voted yes

KINGVictor

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Exactly. Like how the EU just raised our corporation tax.

Oh wait, that never happened. And neither did any of the other scare mongering bullsh!t that was supposed to happen if we voted yes

Not Yet!!

You havent replied to the posters that question the vote Yes for jobs campaign...where are the jobs?? unless they meant vote yes for cuts...

phasers

I'm not voting on this crap again ffs, they should have referendums on important stuff like what the theme of the fianna fail christmas party should be.

Sam Vimes

KINGVictor wrote: »

Not Yet!!

Not ever, because they were lies. You might have seen a few weeks ago our politicians responding to grumblings about our corporation tax by reminding them that we have a veto on it, a veto that we're not supposed to have according to the no crowd

KINGVictor wrote: »

You havent replied to the posters that question the vote Yes for jobs campaign...where are the jobs?? unless they meant vote yes for cuts...

While voting yes to a treaty was never going to magically solve the worst recession in Irish history, what I can tell you is that however bad the situation is, sticking two fingers up at the EU for no reason other than we were too thick to realise we were being lied to would have made it a hell of a lot worse


Edit: also, I think it's funny that when it comes to the no side's scaremongering predictions you're prepared to wait for them to happen but with the yes side's promise of jobs you want a vote on a treaty to dig us out of the worst recession in our history in 12 months

Yakult

Jesus, if I see those elction posters EVERYWHERE i will personally burn them all.

How about no one goes to vote? Would love to see how that would end!!

Guy:Incognito

force eleven wrote: »

Vote Yes for...er...jobs...

What a bunch of crapola, If by any chance it is put to the voters again,it will be rejected by a huge margin. Lies Lies Lies.:cool:

As opposed to all the truth from the no side? As per the other thread, wheres the wage drop to €1.87 an hour for everyone?

Misanthrope

A YES vote will put Ireland at the heart of Europe as a key player in the wonderful future stretching out in front of EU and all it's member states.

If you vote YES again there will definitely be a jobs windfall.Guaranteed this time.

Voting YES just one more time will get us back to where we were in 1999 so we can have another crack at being set for life.

A NO would lead to gay-weddings,abortion factories,no Sky Sports,TB,the abolition of motorised vehicles to be replaced by donkeys,things being different(change),rain and fog,and another famine or two.

Careful how you choose this time now;)

I hope that this goes ahead and we vote No for it.
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And then they make us vote again and we vote Yes.

How humiliating would that be? It would just sum up perfectly how ridiculous this hole of a country is.

meglome

Ah yes another EU rant backed up with hot air. There was nothing wrong with that 'yes for jobs' slogan. The problem was voting in a government (continually) that were complete incompetent corrupt idiots and who screwed the country. If we ever left the EU I'd honestly leave the country. Becuase anyone who would trust our own politicians over the EU deserves what they get.

ascanbe

I voted NO, the first time; for the reason that, even having made an effort to, i had no idea what i'd be voting for in voting YES.
Why would you sign a contract if the implications of doing so are not apparent?
I voted NO the second time; as well as being sickened by a so-called democratic entitiy refusing to accept the initial vote, i again had no idea what a YES vote was actually for.
In its consturction, the Lisbon Treaty was deliberately obfuscatory.
Of course, we are now finding out that what we were told it meant isn't what it actually what it meant and that those who pushed through are being similiarly obfuscatory regarding our economic situation.
I actually went and bothered debating my point on the polictics/economic forums on boards and soon realised that making any point not blindly advocating a YES would soon see you dismissed as a lunatic or crank.
It's what actually made me interested in After Hours; in the political discussions here, you'll get a full spectrum of opinion and fulsome debate between those on either side and those in-between.
In the politics forum, you're either preaching to the converted, trying to talk to the deaf or dealing with people who spend entirely too much time confirming that they have no idea what they're talking about.
Oh, and there are quite a few extremely well informed, politically savvy posters who frequent AH, on each side of any debate; despite how political debates here are often characterised.

meglome

ascanbe wrote: »

I voted NO, the first time; for the reason that, even having made an effort to, i had no idea what i'd be voting for in voting YES.
Why would you sign a contract if the implications of doing so are not apparent?
I voted NO the second time; as well as being sickened by a so-called democratic entitiy refusing to accept the initial vote, i again had no idea what a YES vote was actually for.
In its consturction, the Lisbon Treaty was deliberately obfuscatory.
Of course, we are now finding out that what we were told it meant isn't what it actually what it meant and that those who pushed through are being similiarly obfuscatory regarding our economic situation.
I actually went and bothered debating my point on the polictics/economic forums on boards and soon realised that making any point not blindly advocating a YES would soon see you dismissed as a lunatic or crank.
It's what actually made me interested in After Hours; in the political discussions here, you'll get a full spectrum of opinion and fulsome debate between those on either side and those in-between.
In the politics forum, you're either preaching to the converted, trying to talk to the deaf or dealing with people who spend entirely too much time confirming that they have no idea what they're talking about.
Oh, and there are quite a few extremely well informed, politically savvy posters who frequent AH, on each side of any debate; despite how political debates here are somehow characterised.

The anti-Lisbon stuff worked well in AH because people didn't have to back-up their opinions. It didn't work well in Politics because people couldn't back up their opinions.

Einhard

R_H_C_P wrote: »

How about no one goes to vote? Would love to see how that would end!!

But then that sneaky ol brer ganley will snake down to the polling station when nobody's looking and Lisbon will be voted down by 1 vote to nil!!

squod

meglome wrote: »

The problem was voting in a government (continually) that were complete incompetent corrupt idiots

How many idiots do you know who became solicitors? How many idiots do you know who became barristers? Eh, none I'd say. Apologists should take a back seat IMO.

Einhard

Caiden Jealous Warship wrote: »

I hope that this goes ahead and we vote No for it.
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And then they make us vote again and we vote Yes.

How humiliating would that be? It would just sum up perfectly how ridiculous this hole of a country is.

Ya know what? I hope we vote No, just because we can, and we couldn't be bothered informing ourselves. Fcuk you EU!! Yeah!!

And ya know what else I hope? That when we turn to the Europen central bank to borrow funds, or we need to tap the EU emergency bail out fund, they turn around to us and tell us to go fcuk ourselves. Yeah!! Stick it to the man!! Woo!

Einhard

squod wrote: »

How many idiots do you know who became solicitors? How many idiots do you know who became barristers? Eh, none I'd say. Apologists should take a back seat IMO.

Apologists for what exactly? You make it sound like Yes voters welcomed in the Nazis or something.

meglome

squod wrote: »

How many idiots do you know who became solicitors? How many idiots do you know who became barristers? Eh, none I'd say. Apologists should take a back seat IMO.

I think if you basically bankrupt a county through ineptitude I for one will be calling them idiots. Oh and I'm not apologising for anything. I didn't vote for them.

ascanbe wrote: »

I voted NO the second time; as well as being sickened by a so-called democratic entitiy refusing to accept the initial vote, i again had no idea what a YES vote was actually for.

Was wondering how can more democratic votes not be more democratic?

Einhard

Einhard wrote: »

Ya know what? I hope we vote No, just because we can, and we couldn't be bothered informing ourselves. Fcuk you EU!! Yeah!!

And ya know what else I hope? That when we turn to the Europen central bank to borrow funds, or we need to tap the EU emergency bail out fund, they turn around to us and tell us to go fcuk ourselves. Yeah!! Stick it to the man!! Woo!

We're fcuked if we do and we're fcuked if don't.

At this stage I just want us to be humiliated and fcuked cuz I'm into kinky **** like that. :cool:

Einhard

Caiden Jealous Warship wrote: »

We're fcuked if we do and we're fcuked if don't.

At this stage I just want us to be humiliated and fcuked cuz I'm into kinky **** like that. :cool:

Jesus, another escapee from the Embarassing Sexual Antics thread!!

squod

Einhard wrote: »

Apologists for what exactly? You make it sound like Yes voters welcomed in the Nazis or something.

I'm refering to Meglome. He's doing the usual, calling our highly intelligent, highly educated and well advised leaders idiots so as we'll have some sympathy for them. Poor aul idiots sure dey didn't know wha dey were doin'.

They knew full well what they were doing!

Einhard

squod wrote: »

I'm refering to Meglome. He's doing the usual, calling our highly intelligent, highly educated and well advised leaders idiots so as well have some sympathy for them. Poor aul idiots sure dey didn't know wha dey were doin'.

They knew full well what they were doing!

Ummm, I'm not full sure they did re the economy.

squod

Einhard wrote: »

Ummm, I'm not full sure they did re the economy.

They bailed Anglo in a recession. They did know.

gizmo

Interesting how people are quick to scoff at the "Vote yes for jobs" line but are happily ignoring the opposite side, remember the whole "If you vote yes they'll abort our babies and bring in an EU army" line?

ascanbe

meglome wrote: »

The anti-Lisbon stuff worked well in AH because people didn't have to back-up their opinions. It didn't work well in Politics because people couldn't back up their opinions.

I had no 'anti-Lisbon' stuff, per-se; i didn't vote YES on Lisbon on the basis that we were already in Europe, it was a vote to change the basis of our engagement in Europe and it wasn't made clear what the result of voting YES would be.
There were many who flocked to the the NO vote for their own reasons/agenda; i wasn't one of those people.
When i engaged in the politics forum, it was simply in trying to understand what the treaty meant and why one should vote YES.
If you think those posting in that forum actually made a strong case for voting YES, instead of just batting away some of easy/agenda-driven suspects who turned up to advocate a NO, then i suggest you go back, check and find one
I spent a bit of time there reading at that time and never saw one; if you did you could post it here and let it be given due consideration.

meglome

squod wrote: »

I'm refering to Meglome. He's doing the usual, calling our highly intelligent, highly educated and well advised leaders idiots so as we'll have some sympathy for them. Poor aul idiots sure dey didn't know wha dey were doin'.

They knew full well what they were doing!

hehe hahaha sympathy for them? what planet are you on? They should have known better, they must have known better but they still let it happen because it was easier than doing anything about it. I actively campaigned against them, did you?

Cheap Thrills!

I hope they remove that off licence from between my house and the polling station or I won't be voting again.

Anyway, how can Lisbon come back? Will the Volcanic ash cloud and other past stuff come back...?

What in tarnation is goin on....

squod

meglome wrote: »

planet are you on?

Muff
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look it even says so!

Lukker-

worst trilogy ever

mikemac

My job pays me €1.84 per hour :eek:

Well that's what the NO posters stated

And we didn't have to sign up to an EU army which was another slogan
Ireland is not a neutral country. And if we were truly neutral we would be spending billions more on our defense force not less.