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Joan Burton's economic shock jocks
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28-10-2010 9:46pm#1
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She is one of the most painful people that i've ever had the discomfort of listening to
Nobody makes me change channel quicker than her, and she strikes me a being thick as s##t
I have to say that she has greatly improved from when she first arrived on the scene.
I remember seeing her on some show and her grasp of economics and finance appeared to be non existent.
But she does seem to have learned quiet a lot since then.
So no I would not agree she is thick.
That honour falls on many more heads in the Dáil before hers.
The only problem now is she is touting the Labour/Union line about making where no cuts are necessary and all problems will be solved by taxing the rich.
Oh and there are great savings and sacrifices being made because of the Croke Park deal, which is now written on tablets of stone and must not be touched. :rolleyes:I am not allowed discuss …
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Rabble Rabble wrote: »really? Where?
you are in the wrong place if you think David McWilliams has been consistant in his views and I will not spoon feed you on this truth..... go look at quotes from 2006/2007 and his current soundbites 0 -
meditraitor wrote: » you are in the wrong place if you think David McWilliams has been consistant in his views and I will not spoon feed you on this truth..... go look at quotes from 2006/2007 and his current soundbites
I think you are in the wrong forum, actually.
That is not really the kind of "truth" I am expecting I was expecting a link to McWilliams in 2006/2007 saying that the economy was in great shape altogether, and there was no problem in the housing market, and I was expecting this from you. The reason why I was expecting this is, that, to my knowledge of McWilliams output from the period - admittedly from a sporadic reading - he had nothing good to say about the Irish economy and pinpointed the bubble. I could be wrong, or I was reading the stuff where he was criticising the housing bubble and missing the articles where he was eulogising the property market, but it is up to you to supply the proof, not for me to prove me wrong.
And, tbh, that kind of dual argument seems unlikely.
This is the kind of evidence the internet now demands. This forum in particular. Asking me to do my own research - when you are making the extraordinary claim - is a cop out.0 -
Not a Labour supporter But I actually like Joan Burton. :eek:
Yes, she doesn't have the most interesting of voices or tones but she just doesn't let FF away with s**t.
Fair play to her I say.
Have to say that the Gift Grub version of Joan is great but she was brilliant in Apres Match. More Joan, more Joan.....
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"involved" in the construction industry.. yes, i worked in a hardware store, worked hard and built a couple of houses. Does that make me the devil? Does that make me the reason this country is in such bad shape?
Actually you are to a degree as you openly state that you built a couple of houses.
Thus you added to the construction bubble.
Or perhaps you need to live in multiple houses like an infamous ex Mayo representative ?im no particular "fan" of FF, however that by default doesnt make me warm to oppisition parties.
So have you changed your opinion of ff over the last couple of years then ?
Did you not write the below post at time of bertie resigning ?Yes of course. If we had a left wing rather than our "right of centre" government in the years preceeeding the boom, all the infrastructure, skills and oppertunities to create this boom would have been even greater.
No. Not even close.
The people responsible for creating the jobs would have stayed in or went to england where their skills and effort would be rewarded and hence benefit that economy
"Right place right time" :rolleyes: Where do you think success comes from? Dont say "people" like Gerry Adams.. China have got loads of people, but cant feed half them.
Its careful managment of an economy that gives rise to oppertunities and wealth that makes a country great.
And I just couldn't resist posting this from Jan 2008.
Care to change your opinion about what a fine economy we had ?I laugh whole heartidly at all this talk of a mis managed economy.
We have a great economy.
Where have you been for the last 30 years? Do you remember the 70's and 80's?
And again in direct response to my post about bertie on the 15-01-2008. ^
I thought id have to go to the humor forum to find a good laugh.
Have you a mere handful examples of economic decisions he has made thats going to ruin us?
Its been a long time since Enda and his bunch have been in power, they've lost all of the last elections, so it makes your point of "finding out" null and void, FF governments have provided the basis for this countries economic success
While there is a world wide decline in economic progression, Ireland have although slowed remain strong.
Now before somebody starts accusing me of attacking anyone becuase of party affliation or voting preferences, I think it is important to counter remarks made by posters who comment on parties, and individuals within parties, under the guise that they have no particular fondness for other parties.The current government have made mlatant policy mistakes, however, anyone that thinks Joan Burton is a better person than Brian Lenihan does have rocks in their head.
Well lets see their respective acheivements.
Joan Burton managed to highlight problems with bank bailout and NAMA.
On the other hand lenihan has managed to turn many corners and yet we the taxpayers have ended up pumping over 40 billion into insolvent ineptly run banks (INBS, Anglo, AIB, EBS and BOI).
Hell he made the Irish taxpayer responsible for the losses of the worlds biggest loss making organisation in 2009.
Through NAMA we have become responsible for the billions of euro of debts of some very well connected high flyers who made billions during the bubble but if truth be told should not be penniless.
Hell as a bit of developer yourself these guys must have been your heros. :rolleyes:
I think a fair few people would reckon it is you who has rocks in his head if you think lenihan is better than anyone.Ruari Quinn is someone i have confidence in, althought i cant abide many members of the party, he is a realist, and at least when he is asked his opinion on a policy, he gives an honest answer, he doesnt oppose it like Joan Burton purely for the purposes of been heard.
Yes Ruairi Quinn would be better I believe than Gilmore or Burton, but agian that does not make them worse than the inept uselss feckless eejits that we currently have.Labour could be the dominant party in the next government, but they wont, and you can click and save this post and i will eat it if im wrong, they are missing a great oppertunity to get a real result in the next election, the reason they will be second to FG is that they dont have policies.
Will you eat it like the post above about what a marvellous economy we had ?
Actually all kidding asisde you do have valid points that Labour do need to step down off the fence and put their ar** on the line with real policy statements.
Now saying that does not mean that anyone in ff is better than them.When a labour TD was asked what reforms they would make t the health service and what cuts they would make, the only answer she would give is "efficiencies" "make run smoother" even after been pressed on it, wouldnt give a better more specific answer. Labour are sitting on a fence called "populice opinion", they need to get off it and let us know what we are voting for.
It is very confortable on that fence at the moment.
Also they are scared they will lose their voter appeal when they do actually come out with realisation they will have to hit their own core voters.
Different is I believe that Labour would actually do some good and sacrifice some supporter goodwill, whereas ff sacrifices the rets of us for their supporters.I am not allowed discuss …
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Lads, the problem wasnt the property boom. The problem was with the availibility of credit.
Anglo - the prime example were funding developers at a rate that didnt shoulder the risk evenly on both parties, these banks were getting money from the internationl money lenders / banks and turning it over into developers that could build houses / apartment blocks and pay back anglo. Anglo gets rich, property developer gets rich and the government get rich.
The problems however and yes i do admit that the scale of the problem and the actual amount of reliance we had on the construction sector was underestimated by myself, its not the boom that was the problem. It was the credit, if credit was stricter as it was prior to the boom, there wouldnt be the same risk, as people would think harder about spending their own money.
Back into my micro economy.. i built 2 houses..the reason i did them so cheap is because i built them myself..literally..every block every inch, granted thats unusual and not available to most, but its what i can do. I could have done what many did and used the banks credit, got someone else to build them and no own 5 houses and owe the bank a million euro i couldnt afford to pay when i lost my job.. but common sence, even in the good times told my gut it couldnt last
Those quotes from me - one of them is about Mr Bertie.. im no fan dispite what you claim, (hes a dub), but i do grow a little tired when people throw words corruption and cronie about without really much thought. If you read the other posts in the same thread i essentially say that most other politicians in my opinion would probably do the same..
I do happily admit that the government have a large protion of the fault for not controlling the banking sector and buying the votes in their giveaway budgets rather than doing what would be smart and saving and investing for the rainy day such as now in jobs outside the construction sector.
My quote regarding "we have a great economy" well, essentially we did, and we still do - granted there is no petrol in the tank, but we have better infrastructure, a more educated population and we are capable of a recovery better than we ever were when (not if) it comes about.
We will recover, i believe we will do this regardless of which party is in power, Lab / FF / FG my greatest fear is when we have an extreme in power of any persuasion, we dont have a far right party thankfully, we do have far left, either political extremes are bad, im in the middle, dispite what you might think are my capitalist beliefs, i do believe that the centre is best, either extreme leads to serious inequality, yes there is inequality asis, but the level of inequality is much greater in countries with either far left or far right..
The Labour party is going to be in the next government, i dont have much problem with them, many of their TD's are reputible candidates and will do a good job in government, however, i do have concerns with their leader who originated from the Democratic left, whos political policies make my stomach churn.. P De Rossa was quoted in the 80's that he wanted to model Ireland on Albania
Again, im no fan of Bertie, essentiially im impartial to the man, i prefer not to jump on bandwagons, and failing to do so makes me look like i support him.
I dont accept that the government are 100% responsible for our current situation, regardless of what thay did during the boom, we would still be in a recession, the rest of the world is in a recession, we couldnt have avoided it - what we could have avoided is the extent of how hard we were hit, and the level of our current debt, rather than give away all the finances when we had it, why didnt we save some of it so that perhaps our social welfare budget and impending debt wasnt as large was it is now?0 -
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