Cheapest place to buy Vegetable Oil

gsxr1

I have been searching but cant seem to find it cheap.
tesco lidl and aldi sell it at 145 per liter. More expensive than diesel .

Does anyone know where I could get it under 1 euro a liter .

My Old Hiace is killing me on fuel costs. So I have two new barrels , an immersion heater and plumbing fittings ready to build my own brewing kit.
I need a pump yet . And a few odds and ends like chemicals

but before i build it. I need a good supply of new oil.

I dont like the thought of using 2nd hand stuff but would consider it.

Also. How would one go about paying tax on the fuel. Last thing I need is to get dipped.

alias no.9

Look for one of the companies given the special biofuels tax exemptions, Eilis Oils (sp?) in co Wicklow were one company. You'll have to buy in bulk.

gsxr1

alias no.9 wrote: »

Look for one of the companies given the special biofuels tax exemptions, Eilis Oils (sp?) in co Wicklow were one company. You'll have to buy in bulk.

What is bulk. I think the drums can hold 50 gallons.

kazul

Have a friendly chat with your local chip shop owner. You'll run the risk of breaking the law, you'll have to filter the bejaysus out of the used oil and your emissions will smell like a "one and one"

KamiKazi

GSXR running on vegetable oil?

fenris

KamiKazi wrote: »

GSXR running on vegetable oil?

At least he won't be accused of being a riceburner!

kazul

KamiKazi wrote: »

GSXR running on vegetable oil?

Professionally converted to Nissan Patrol diesel engine in UK, only 50cc on logbook

gsxr1

its one of the old pre d4d engines . It should go better on the stuff.

it cost a fortune to run.

Is the fine for being caught the same as running green diesel ?

alias no.9

gsxr1 wrote: »

What is bulk. I think the drums can hold 50 gallons.

Not certain but I'm thinking 1000l containers.

gsxr1 wrote: »

Is the fine for being caught the same as running green diesel ?

You're fully tax compliant if you're buying from any of the guys with the biofuels tax exemption. I'm not sure there's even a mechanism to pay otherwise, even if you wanted to.

demag

There's some Chinese wholesalers near the Red Cow ( Dublin ) sell at about 80c per litre in 20l cans. Super Valu have been selling their own brand stuff at 99c per litre for a while now.

gsxr1

If I do it correctly and treat with the correct chemicals , will it damage or shorten the life of my Hiace.
The new tax law says I need to have a tax cert to reg a new commercial so I need to make my ole van last till 300k . Shes at 110. No work for chippys these days.

She is the slowest thing on the road but starts every cold morning first rev of the crank. I dont want to kill her

alias no.9

Messing about with home brew biodiesel is a lot of hassle and isn't really worth it unless you're getting waste oil for free. In an old school Diesel that you're hanging onto long term, you're best bet is a twin tank system, one with regular diesel for starting up on, and the other for vegetable oil for running on once it's warmed up. You'll need a heat exchanger to warm the veg oil tank, using hot coolant from the engine.

Pkiernan

alias no.9 wrote: »

Messing about with home brew biodiesel is a lot of hassle and isn't really worth it unless you're getting waste oil for free. In an old school Diesel that you're hanging onto long term, you're best bet is a twin tank system, one with regular diesel for starting up on, and the other for vegetable oil for running on once it's warmed up.

This post is spot on!

From the questions the OP asks, it appears that he might not be fully familiar with the process.
I am not knocking the idea - in fact I wish you the best - but I would do a lot of research first.

There is a fair bit of work in (a) sourcing the raw materials and chemicals, (b) making the fuel, and (c) modifying your vehicle to run properly on the new fuel.

If you do get to brew your own fuel, you are NOT breaking the law, as long as you pay tax on the fuel you use. It is not against any tax law to make your own fuel - using it on the roads without paying tax on it is a different matter.

As to the mechanism for paying tax, call the Revenue. Worst case you would just have to declare how much fuel you used and pay tax on it with your annual return.

As to getting dipped - Customs will be looking for the dye and chemical markers present in red/green diesel. As long as your mix doesnt have any of that, they should leave you well alone.

If you still want to go ahead, keep us posted!

_Conrad_

gsxr1 wrote: »

If I do it correctly and treat with the correct chemicals , will it damage or shorten the life of my Hiace.
The new tax law says I need to have a tax cert to reg a new commercial so I need to make my ole van last till 300k . Shes at 110. No work for chippys these days.

She is the slowest thing on the road but starts every cold morning first rev of the crank. I dont want to kill her

No it wont damage the actual engine at all, diesel engines are very tough. It can wear away rubber seals and hoses though, but once you're keeping on top of that, and making sure your fuel filter isn't getting clogged up you should be grand. If you plan to run on 100% veg oild or 100% biodiesel you might need to add a heater to your bio tank as cold starting can be a bit of a pain due to it being thicker than diesel and not wanting to get up to the engine, and not being as willing to explode.

At the moment i have a very battered (over 200,000 miles) bmw 318tds for just tippin around in, and it sometimes runs on 40% veg oil 60% diesel. Would be more only these dont really have the best pumps in the world

Seweryn

alias no.9 wrote: »

Messing about with home brew biodiesel is a lot of hassle and isn't really worth it unless you're getting waste oil for free. In an old school Diesel that you're hanging onto long term, you're best bet is a twin tank system, one with regular diesel for starting up on, and the other for vegetable oil for running on once it's warmed up. You'll need a heat exchanger to warm the veg oil tank, using hot coolant from the engine.

The other option is to blend the PPO (Pure Plant Oil) with regular Diesel fuel. It works fine up to about 2/3 PPO of the volume and I would not exceed 40-50% during cold winter.

gsxr1

_Conrad_ wrote: »

No it wont damage the actual engine at all, diesel engines are very tough. It can wear away rubber seals and hoses though, but once you're keeping on top of that, and making sure your fuel filter isn't getting clogged up you should be grand. If you plan to run on 100% veg oild or 100% biodiesel you might need to add a heater to your bio tank as cold starting can be a bit of a pain due to it being thicker than diesel and not wanting to get up to the engine, and not being as willing to explode.

At the moment i have a very battered (over 200,000 miles) bmw 318tds for just tippin around in, and it sometimes runs on 40% veg oil 60% diesel. Would be more only these dont really have the best pumps in the world

i like that idea. The hiace engines are bomb proof.

Do you just tip it into it

gsxr1

I addded 5 liters of veg oil to 20 liters of diesel today and noticed no difference on the way it ran. Or started. It has always been very easy to start. Its no great saving and not really worth the bother, but im interested in the result

gsxr1

its not working so good with the colder weather now. The van sputters to life in the morn as the viscosity increase with temp. Still starts ok, but needs a few rotations . Its fine when started. 70% vege oil 30 diesel

Piri

Do not try in common rail diesel!
High pressure pump is very sensitive for fuel

It is a good practice to put some percent 2 stroke oil for better lubrication
Old type pumps need good lubrication as well