Dublin Airport underground rail link given go-ahead.

Run_to_da_hills

"Ambitious plans for an underground rail link connecting Dublin city centre to the airport have been given the green light.

Works on the multi-billion-euro Metro North, which is described as the biggest transport project in the State's history, could begin next year depending on Government backing.

An Bord Pleanala approved the scheme, which includes removing historic statues from along O'Connell Street during construction and building an underground stop at the controversial site for the new Children's National Hospital in Drumcondra".

Good news for some bad for others.

It will now take you about five minutes quicker to get to the Airport with this than taking an express bus via the port tunnel.

I have already seen posters in shop windows demonstrating against this with the inevitable disruption to the city ctr over the next few years. Traffic mismanagement is bad enough with the collage green fiasco than to put the city center through another five years of heavy intensive road works assuming that most of this will be a bi directional tunnel system usimg "cut and cover" technology.



On the plus side it is about time Ireland had some breed of an underground railway, (note the 8200 in the clip art. :eek: )

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jbG6oqXN-Lv5pfvG4RKEPRoAQzQA?docId=N0036271288274641557A

schemingbohemia

Rubbish post, don't bother getting the name of the project right or even mention that it's going to Swords.

Pure muppetry.:rolleyes:

KC61

There are several threads about this.

But just to say that Metro North is about far more than just the airport - what about Swords, Ballymun, Glasnevin and a link to the Mater and also the people from north of Swords that would use it?

The city centre will only be dug up at St Stephen's Green (also required for DART Underground also) and at station locations.

Really get your facts straight.

noelfirl

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

On the plus side it is about time Ireland had some breed of an underground railway, (note the 8200 in the clip art. :eek: )

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jbG6oqXN-Lv5pfvG4RKEPRoAQzQA?docId=N0036271288274641557A

Clip art which doesn't even appear to be in the article concerning MN (for good reason obviously).

Can we have this thread re-titled "Fail"?

GizAGoOfYerGee

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It will now take you about five minutes quicker to get to the Airport with this than taking an express bus via the port tunnel.

Great! Oh, and also:

• Areas north of Swords: Served by a park and ride for 2,600 cars
• Swords: One of the largest Dublin commuter towns
• Dublin Airport -- is an employment centre as well as a transport hub with capacity for 35m passengers p.a. when T2 opens
• Northwood: Fairly high density and currently not served very well
• Regenerated Ballymun with projected population of 40,000 (stop integrated into Theasury Holdings Ballymun Town Centre development)
• DCU: 10,000 students, plus staff, plus the Helix
• Glasnevin: Different parts are covered
• Santry: Is also near to the DCU stop
• Drumcondra has Croke Park, St Pats and an interchange to what is planned to be a Dart line
• Mater Hospital and future National Childrens Hospital (with station already built as part of Mater redevelopment). It also covers parts of Phibsboro and other near by north inner city areas
• Parnell Square: Close to a fair bit of housing, tourist attractions, shopping areas, the Rotunda Hospital etc
• O'Connell Bridge: Red Line Luas, shops, offices (with enabling work done to allow delivery of BXD in the near future)
• St Stephen's Green: Shopping, offices, tourist attractions etc and with the Luas Green line and the planned Dart underground (with enabling work done to allow delivery of interconnector in the future).

Thanks to Pete_Cavan and monument

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I have already seen posters in shop windows demonstrating against this with the inevitable disruption to the city ctr over the next few years.

Did you pick yourself up a plastic leprechaun while you were at it?

Judgement Day

An Bord Pleanala may have given the go-ahead for this mad project but with Labour (!) already giving it the thumbs down it has no chance of being started under the government in waiting. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

munchkin_utd

bloody ironic

a party called Labour opposed to a project that will create 4000 jobs during its construction

According to the TD for the area on newstalk this afternoon, the project being a PPP is self financing so the question of whether the dept of finance can afford it is irrelevant.

The chosen consortium will build and run it for 25 years, and finance it through PAYING passengers over this period

(although we probably will never find out what exactly the deal is that is being done behind closed doors and if its as good a deal as is being made out)

joegriffinjnr

Northwood: Fairly high density and currently not served very well

Now your having a laugh.. right?

Northwood is less than a 5 minute walk to the 4,13, 13A. 17A,16A,33,41/A/B/C/ 27B 104. The residents were moaning when Dublin Bus wanted to route the 27B through it! So been not sered very well is a bit of a lie tbh!

andrew163

joegriffinjnr wrote: »

Now your having a laugh.. right?

Northwood is less than a 5 minute walk to the 4,13, 13A. 17A,16A,33,41/A/B/C/ 27B 104. The residents were moaning when Dublin Bus wanted to route the 27B through it! So been not sered very well is a bit of a lie tbh!

Are we thinking of the same Northwood? I'm sitting there right now. Takes about 20 minutes to get to a 4 stop (which has recently been decimated in frequency), 30 minutes to get to the nearest 13/a stop (in Ballymun) and 15 minutes to get to a 17A stop. Admittedly the 16A/33/41/27 stop is only 10 minutes from here, but don't let the number of buses going through it fool you. I've never waited less than 20 minutes there trying to catch a bus; usually 30, making it fairly useless for when you need to be anywhere on time. The amount of money I've wasted on taxis recently because the bus service here is so patchy is ridiculous.

Economic collapse aside, I'm strongly in favour of MN. It's an excellent project that will serve thousands of workers, students and other people. People who consider it an airport link haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about, and clearly have never had to get anywhere from north Dublin without a car. I accept however that it probably won't be built, because the country has no money

Oliver1985

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Rubbish post, don't bother getting the name of the project right or even mention that it's going to Swords.

Pure muppetry.:rolleyes:

No need to bite the o.ps head off!!! :mad:

dowlingm

munchkin_utd wrote: »

bloody ironic

a party called Labour opposed to a project that will create 4000 jobs during its construction

The number of jobs is unimportant. We could fill thousands of jobs doing any number of things if we threw enough money at it. What matters is jobs/million invested and how many of those jobs are sustained rather than solely during construction phase. A big part of Metro is equipment/rolling stock and that will be imported.

Run_to_da_hills

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Rubbish post, don't bother getting the name of the project right or even mention that it's going to Swords.

Pure muppetry.:rolleyes:

Did you bother even reading the link or its title which happens to have come from the PA. :rolleyes:

patrickmooney

In relation to the first poster, how often have you gotten an express bus to the airport from the city? The 747 takes over 30 mins on a good day, with a mystery tour of the north inner city before heading down to the port. It's a mess. Over crowed with tourists sitting on top of bags. This line is needed. Can't wait.

xper

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Did you bother even reading the link or its title which happens to have come from the PA. :rolleyes:

A short, page-filler piece from the UKPA which, directed at foreign readers, of course emphasises the the airport-city link.

I assume he was having a dig at your own additonal words which do fall short of the facts. The "cut and cover" remark, in particular, is just plain wrong. You and Liam Carrol seem to be the only ones under the impression that the whole city centre is going to be torn up.:) I know 99% of the posts on this forum are us just firing off whatever thoughts pop into our heads at the time but the opening post of a thread really needs a bit more basis in fact.

xper

GizAGoOfYerGee wrote: »

Great! Oh, and also:

• Areas north of Swords: Served by a park and ride for 2,600 cars
• Swords: One of the largest Dublin commuter towns
• Dublin Airport -- is an employment centre as well as a transport hub with capacity for 35m passengers p.a. when T2 opens
• Northwood: Fairly high density and currently not served very well
• Regenerated Ballymun with projected population of 40,000 (stop integrated into Theasury Holdings Ballymun Town Centre development)
• DCU: 10,000 students, plus staff, plus the Helix
• Glasnevin: Different parts are covered
• Santry: Is also near to the DCU stop
• Drumcondra has Croke Park, St Pats and an interchange to what is planned to be a Dart line
• Mater Hospital and future National Childrens Hospital (with station already built as part of Mater redevelopment). It also covers parts of Phibsboro and other near by north inner city areas
• Parnell Square: Close to a fair bit of housing, tourist attractions, shopping areas, the Rotunda Hospital etc
• O'Connell Bridge: Red Line Luas, shops, offices (with enabling work done to allow delivery of BXD in the near future)
• St Stephen's Green: Shopping, offices, tourist attractions etc and with the Luas Green line and the planned Dart underground (with enabling work done to allow delivery of interconnector in the future).

ABP fixed that for you. :rolleyes:

Breezer

Judgement Day wrote: »

An Bord Pleanala may have given the go-ahead for this mad project but with Labour (!) already giving it the thumbs down it has no chance of being started under the government in waiting. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Labour seems to be backtracking on its thumbs down now. Thankfully.

Overature

wtf, we have one of the best transport system in the world, put the money into improving the service rather than building more. an above train would be better

Irish Halo

Overature wrote: »

we have one of the best transport system in the world

move to north of the airport and I dare you to hold that opinion for very long. I lived in Lusk for 25 years and I would never have even used the word adequate to describe public transport, it is a nightmare in NCD.

Overature

Irish Halo wrote: »

move to north of the airport and I dare you to hold that opinion for very long. I lived in Lusk for 25 years and I would never have even used the word adequate to describe public transport, it is a nightmare in NCD.

okay sorry, im used to living on the south side where i can pretty much public transport to any where i like

KC61

Overature wrote: »

okay sorry, im used to living on the south side where i can pretty much public transport to any where i like

I would hardly call the public transport on the southside world class either.

Have you tried taking a trip through the central area, such as on route 15b or 16/16a on a wet day? It can take forever due to the serious traffic congestion.

Look at the congestion that hits routes 17 (Terenure) and 18 (all along it!).

Overature

KC61 wrote: »

I would hardly call the public transport on the southside world class either.

Have you tried taking a trip through the central area, such as on route 15b or 16/16a on a wet day? It can take forever due to the serious traffic congestion.

Look at the congestion that hits routes 17 (Terenure) and 18 (all along it!).

granted the traffic is terrible all over dublin at rush hours and in the rain, what im saying is that the routes are there, bus, dart and luas, its just that the routes are so badly organised that we have all the mayhem and that the government seem to think that the only way they can solve it is by building more rather than putting the money into improving it

i get the fact that there are more rail links needed on the north side

AlekSmart

what im saying is that the routes are there, bus, dart and luas, its just that the routes are so badly organised that we have all the mayhem and that the government seem to think that the only way they can solve it is by building more rather than putting the money into improving it

There`s a lot in Overature`s overture and one need only take the time to review the shambles of Phase 1 of Dublin Bus`s Network Direct programme to see it illustrated.

Human and Material resources are there aplenty,but we appear to have sod-all idea what to actually do with them...

KC61

Overature wrote: »

granted the traffic is terrible all over dublin at rush hours and in the rain, what im saying is that the routes are there, bus, dart and luas, its just that the routes are so badly organised that we have all the mayhem and that the government seem to think that the only way they can solve it is by building more rather than putting the money into improving it

i get the fact that there are more rail links needed on the north side

The routes on the southside are not that badly organised - the problem is that for much of it the bus network has to contend with severe traffic congestion and there is very little that can be done to improve because the roadspace is not wide enough to cope with two bus lanes and two lanes of traffic.

If Dublin had world class public transport, we would have a Metro North, Metro South (covering Rathmines, Terenure, Rathfarnham and Knocklyon to Tallaght), Metro West, the DART Underground and LUAS extensions.

What we have is a half-hearted rail network and a bus network (that is to be fair being overhauled).

KC61

AlekSmart wrote: »

There`s a lot in Overature`s overture and one need only take the time to review the shambles of Phase 1 of Dublin Bus`s Network Direct programme to see it illustrated.

Human and Material resources are there aplenty,but we appear to have sod-all idea what to actually do with them...

To be fair Alek the problem with phase 1 implementation was not the network design - it is the running times that have been allocated which are impossible.

dowlingm

KC61 wrote: »

Look at the congestion that hits routes 17 (Terenure) and 18 (all along it!).

Which is why Metro TBMs should be pushing through Ranelagh and Terenure, not any bollox about joining Green Line. Of course, some people in the leafy avenues mightn't like a one stop express route from Ballymun to Dublin 6...