Youth Academy

crisco10 · 27-10-2010 8:36am #1

How's everyone getting on with the new-ish YA?

When the new YA started I had nothing, got me a L1 scout and left it at that. Every couple of weeks, scout someone at 10-20 stars then scout at 0 stars for awhile.

Only promoted one of these players, scouted at 10 stars, played about 10 junior games getting 2.5 star ratings. Promoted at 16.5k CSR. Not bad, but not world beating either.

Decided to invest in L2 training facilities at Youth Level. I think spending money on training is money better spent than on scout or manager. At my level, I don't need 30 star recruits every week, 1 a month is good enough.

In the past month, I have managed to sell 2 0 star recruits as salary savers for a combined cost of 30k. Which covers the cost of the Academy before I sell or use any "proper" players. One problem here when I upgrade to L2 is that my recruits will need to age pretty quick if they are to be useful salary savers.

What sort of strategy are all of using? How many scouting stars are you using? level of training etc...

FewFew · 27-10-2010 1:08pm

I've lost the love. As I said elsewhere, I had two crackin' 17 year olds for sale at an asking price of 10k and they went for 10k. I was expecting a bidding war. One was an ideal prop, statswise, bar his reckless discipline (which I wouldn't tolerate but I know many managers would.) In the past I've seen similar players go into the 100k, so, I dunno what I'm doing wrong.

corny · 27-10-2010 1:13pm

Think youth coaches, managers and facilities are a waste of time and money tbh. They cost a fortune to maintain and by the looks of it even a full season in the academy under a top level coach increases CSR by a meagre couple of thousand or so. There's no way thats worth the investment (top level facilities and coach cost 32,500 a week:eek:).

With the youth manager you don't need to see players skills in advance because theres a highly likelihood you're just gonna promote them the week they turn 17 anyway, regardless of skills set. Certainly the ones you invest more than 10 stars on. Its is gimmick if you ask me. 100,000 and 12,500 a week for a level 3 manager. No thanks.

Get a top level scout but don't bother with the rest is my philosophy.

johnnysmack · 27-10-2010 3:28pm

Agreed with corny. total waste of time but if you do want one, just hire a scout and save stars

Effluo · 01-11-2010 10:51am

I'll have the top level YA in every respect in a few weeks, if nothing else at least I've got the chance to help Ireland produce some top level internationals.

Devoted 25 stars to two guys recently + now wondering if I was right. Are there any hard stats in regards how much each star increases the players chances of being something special? I'm supposing that as you devote more stars it has less of an effect, but that's just a supposition.

corny · 01-11-2010 11:36am

Effluo wrote: »

I'll have the top level YA in every respect in a few weeks, if nothing else at least I've got the chance to help Ireland produce some top level internationals.

Devoted 25 stars to two guys recently + now wondering if I was right. Are there any hard stats in regards how much each star increases the players chances of being something special? I'm supposing that as you devote more stars it has less of an effect, but that's just a supposition.

From documentation "You can use as many stars as you like, but every star above the 10th star will have significantly diminished returns."

TheVoodoo · 01-11-2010 1:48pm

Interestingly enough, I let the stars build up ( i.e i forgot about them ) twice, and gained a 32 & a 35 star guy. In all the matches so far, and with pops, they are significantly better than anyone else in my academy. They both get 3 and a half stars at WNWIM, and have 'high' pop markers in place.

I'll keep y'all updated on how they go. But they really do seem better than the others.

TheVoodoo · 12-11-2010 5:53pm

Hopefully i wont jinx this.. but one of my 16 year olds had 2 pop reveals this week, 10 speed and 10 agility. Waiting to see how he turns out, but could be a corker!

crisco10 · 13-11-2010 7:18pm

TheVoodoo wrote: »

Hopefully i wont jinx this.. but one of my 16 year olds had 2 pop reveals this week, 10 speed and 10 agility. Waiting to see how he turns out, but could be a corker!

Nice. How many scouting stars did you use on him?

TheVoodoo · 13-11-2010 8:12pm

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club.squad.youth.php#player=6004609

He's a big guy, but i'v been playing him on the wing, where he has been getting 3-4 stars at wnwim.

I used 32 stars on him. ( He's the one i mentioned above, that i'd forgot to use stars and just decided to go all in on. It seems to have paid off )

seanand · 02-12-2010 2:42pm

how did you decide to put him on the wing?

TheVoodoo · 02-12-2010 5:00pm

I need a big chunky back, to replace one i plan on selling. So i put him on wing... Waited until i got a player of his kinda stats, just lucky he had the stars.

seanand · 02-12-2010 6:03pm

ok i have a question does in not matter where they play in the junior team, i taught it be the same as the senior but trying to guess without stats fatties in the front row lanky in the second and the small fellas out the backs

TheVoodoo · 02-12-2010 7:28pm

Yes, Position affects what skills develop, and how they develop.

For example, a back will develop agility / speed much better than a prop, who may have good strength and technique.

seanand · 02-12-2010 7:40pm

so if you have a fellow who you would 9 times out of ten put in prop but put him in outhalf he wont have prop attribute but outhalf ones, even if they start of with 20k? thats a weird way of doing but at least it means you can strengthen certain possitions

TheVoodoo · 02-12-2010 8:20pm

Well yes and no. Position will only contribute to how skills develop. Obviously it all depends on stars, investment and training.

daveharnett · 02-12-2010 8:39pm

seanand wrote: »

so if you have a fellow who you would 9 times out of ten put in prop but put him in outhalf he wont have prop attribute but outhalf ones, even if they start of with 20k? thats a weird way of doing but at least it means you can strengthen certain possitions

Players will already have a particular skill-set when they first arrive in the academy.

seanand · 02-12-2010 9:33pm

so voodoos player will more than likely still have good jumping and strenght even tho hes on the wing?

daveharnett · 02-12-2010 10:36pm

seanand wrote: »

so voodoos player will more than likely still have good jumping and strenght even tho hes on the wing?

I'm not sure. It could be the case that lock-sized players tend to have lock-appropriate skills out of the box, but I wouldn't bet on it.

seanand · 02-12-2010 11:42pm

but more than likely he will tho?

TheVoodoo · 07-12-2010 12:32pm

Promoted Rory Calder.

25k CSR.

Brilliant stats across the board, Put him straight into individual training x 10 sessions. Hopefully if all works out, he could do something good..

crisco10 · 07-12-2010 4:09pm

TheVoodoo wrote: »

Promoted Rory Calder.

25k CSR.

Brilliant stats across the board, Put him straight into individual training x 10 sessions. Hopefully if all works out, he could do something good..

Lucky boy! what's the rest of your youth setup like?

TheVoodoo · 07-12-2010 4:32pm

Couple of interesting players at the mo, but nothing as promising as Calder. I promoted a player last week too, Steven Scroogins, who came out at 21kcsr, and a couple of good stats. He's currently for sale and there's a bid of 128k for him, Looks like the youth set up is finally starting to pay off!

I invested heaving in a scout and facilities. Seems to have worked.

crisco10 · 07-12-2010 8:24pm

TheVoodoo wrote: »

Couple of interesting players at the mo, but nothing as promising as Calder. I promoted a player last week too, Steven Scroogins, who came out at 21kcsr, and a couple of good stats. He's currently for sale and there's a bid of 128k for him, Looks like the youth set up is finally starting to pay off!

I invested heaving in a scout and facilities. Seems to have worked.

Yeah, I'm tempted to upgrade my scout at this point. Have L2 Training, but only L1 scout and manager.

Kind of employed the manger by accident but was thinking I could reduce my squad by 1 and get an L2 scout with the money...

Voodoo, you seem to be the only person having joy on the YA front. I have had NOTHING come out of it really, sold a few players for 15k or so but nothing worthwhile. the highlight of my academy is Josh McCash!!!

Still want to stick with the YA, much more enjoyable than camping and trying to pick up a good deal on the TM.

TheVoodoo · 07-12-2010 9:10pm

crisco10 wrote: »

Voodoo, you seem to be the only person having joy on the YA front.

Still want to stick with the YA, much more enjoyable than camping and trying to pick up a good deal on the TM.

Only as of very recently tbh. Calder is my best youth academy product, followed by Scroggins, who sold for 128k earlier.. before that i was getting absolute Donkeys! But they were the first players from my new system, the new manager/scout/coach layout. All the rest were from my old 1 star academy. Only really started to invest end of last season.

It does look like its gonna start paying off though, especially if they continue along the caliber of my last three promotions ( 18k, 21k and 25k ).

Scouting is where its at i think, and i do think that this method helped me get the guys i got at the most cost effective way.

seanand · 07-12-2010 10:29pm

what level scout do you have voodoo?

TheVoodoo · 07-12-2010 10:49pm

Those guys were pulled with a lvl 2. I'v a lvl 3 now.

johnnysmack · 07-12-2010 11:44pm

how many stars were spent on each pull?

TheVoodoo · 08-12-2010 12:34am

Between 20-30 ish. Think it was 32 on Calder.

satory · 08-12-2010 9:06am

My first truly awesome pull from the academy...

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club.squad.php#player=9919144

Not sure where along the back line to play him through.. I played in the youths at 9 and I'm going to try him out there on Thursday, though should a 9 have more technique?

eoferrall · 08-12-2010 10:42am

satory wrote: »

My first truly awesome pull from the academy...

http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club.squad.php#player=9919144

Not sure where along the back line to play him through.. I played in the youths at 9 and I'm going to try him out there on Thursday, though should a 9 have more technique?

Looks tasty at 24k CSR, no point asking if he should ahve more CSR as we can't see his individual stats!!;)

satory · 08-12-2010 1:53pm

school boy error there...

I'll change the link in a bit

seanand · 08-12-2010 6:40pm

i would put him fullback but thats just me, but would train defense

Orizio · 08-12-2010 9:09pm

I'd put him on the bench until his DEF is up to 8-9. After that you could really play him anywhere in the backs (bar the centres) depending on your need.

eoferrall · 08-12-2010 11:12pm

Orizio wrote: »

I'd put him on the bench until his DEF is up to 8-9. After that you could really play him anywhere in the backs (bar the centres) depending on your need.

Depends on his league, the weaker teams you could play him FB & gain some ingame training. its what I do (yes occasionally bites me, but still make top 4 anyways!)

But I concur with jumping like that FB.

TheVoodoo · 09-12-2010 4:40pm

He looks good satory!

I agree about the defense though, i wouldn't put him at FB personally.. not untill his Def went up two or three. I'd say give him a lash as Scrumhalf in our league!

satory · 09-12-2010 7:51pm

Cool, I have him at SH tonight to see how he fares and then I'll try him at FB probably at the weekend and start training him from Tuesday onwards....

TheVoodoo · 17-12-2010 3:20pm

How are you finding his so far?

Calder is coming on well. 2 more pops this week, and full lvl 4 training/coaches from this weekend onwards.

crisco10 · 16-02-2011 9:08pm

So posted this up on the offsite:

Also think a compilation of data on Academies would be fantastic. Something I would be willing to put together if people wanted to PM me on the details? think we could really gain a lot of insight into academies with a bit of data.
Suppose fields needed could be:

Name
Scouting Stars
Date Scouted
Date Promoted
Weeks in Academy
Academy Training Level
Promotion CSR

anybody here interested in contributing toward a database of youth pulls? Not much data required but will be a good way of figuring out the stars as well as the effect of youth training (if any).

Tempted to trawl throught the S14 UTP forum to get data but it would be easier if people sent it too me.:D:D Not to mention, I mightn't get training data and weeks in academy from there.

Needless to say, any findings will be shared with contributors!!

Gelio · 19-02-2011 6:51pm

crisco10 wrote: »

So posted this up on the offsite:

anybody here interested in contributing toward a database of youth pulls? Not much data required but will be a good way of figuring out the stars as well as the effect of youth training (if any).

Tempted to trawl throught the S14 UTP forum to get data but it would be easier if people sent it too me.:D:D Not to mention, I mightn't get training data and weeks in academy from there.

Needless to say, any findings will be shared with contributors!!

yep, i'll put all my YA stats on that, will be interesting to see results

TheJims · 22-03-2011 1:40pm

Hey guys, newb question. i just realized i have 15 YA scout stars built up, what do u think i should do with them? build up a few more or just scout the 15?

crisco10 · 22-03-2011 2:03pm

TheJims wrote: »

Hey guys, newb question. i just realized i have 15 YA scout stars built up, what do u think i should do with them? build up a few more or just scout the 15?

Early signs are that spending 15 to 20 stars per scouted player is the most efficient use of stars.

TheJims · 22-03-2011 5:00pm

I went with the 15 stars n got a guy in, hes 92kg and 193cm. dono where to put him, im guessing best thing to do is put him straight in the first team?

hav to wait ages till i can promote him n see what i get :-\

eoferrall · 22-03-2011 8:25pm

TheJims wrote: »

I went with the 15 stars n got a guy in, hes 92kg and 193cm. dono where to put him, im guessing best thing to do is put him straight in the first team?

hav to wait ages till i can promote him n see what i get :-\

Yeah put him straight in, could be a full back with that height... or big centre

TheVoodoo · 22-03-2011 11:27pm

Defo Pulled a potential star of the future.
http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club.squad.php#player=10227879

Ethan Carolan. 25, 494

Attack - 10
Kicking - 10
Agility-10
Defense- 10
Handling - 8
Stamina - 9
Speed could do with work ( 6) But i'll give him sessions at lvl 5.

Opinions??

daheff · 01-04-2011 3:18pm

TheVoodoo wrote: »

Defo Pulled a potential star of the future.
http://www.blackoutrugby.com/game/club.squad.php#player=10227879

Ethan Carolan. 25, 494

Attack - 10
Kicking - 10
Agility-10
Defense- 10
Handling - 8
Stamina - 9
Speed could do with work ( 6) But i'll give him sessions at lvl 5.

Opinions??

Train him for out-half

work on attack and kicking mainly (thats what i'd do)

blackdog2 · 03-04-2011 10:24am

Just got an 18 year old 667 CSR pull

satory · 03-04-2011 2:02pm

blackdog2 wrote: »

Just got an 18 year old 667 CSR pull

:eek: thats dreadful...

blackdog2 · 03-04-2011 6:51pm

He is on the market now, for a cool 10k of course

TheJims · 07-06-2011 2:36pm

Check this monster out! i bet he'll come outa the youth academy with under 10K CSR

Owen MacGuigan

16 y/o (R5, D5) | 198cm | 130kg | Ireland |
20 stars

Right handed, left footed, in average form.
A psychotic player with collected discipline, despicable leadership, and non-existent experience.

Gona play him at No.8, but im currently training up 2 backs, so He'll get Agility and Attack training till hes ripe

eoferrall · 07-06-2011 3:15pm

TheJims wrote: »

Check this monster out! i bet he'll come outa the youth academy with under 10K CSR

Gona play him at No.8, but im currently training up 2 backs, so He'll get Agility and Attack training till hes ripe

the agility and attack won't be wasted on hiim if number 8 - excellent prospect for you jim!

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