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Why are other Guards referred to as 'Members'

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  • 26-10-2010 2:31pm
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    dfbemt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭


    Always wondered about this one.

    Surely being a member means you have joined something and all dictionaries refer to 'a person who belongs to a group, club, society, trade union etc'

    So how to employees of the state, specifically employees of AGS, become members? Employees are imply that, employees. Using the word member seems to imply that benefits accrue by being associated with AGS !!

    Anybody know why?


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    1922
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭1922


    probably comes down to legislation where gardaí are reffered to as "members of an garda síochána"


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    Irish_polizei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Irish_polizei


    :confused: Theres nothing hard to understand i dont think, You become a member once you join an organisation do you not ? Hence thats were you get member of AGS


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    [Deleted User]
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    Because we are members of An Garda Síochána. Simple. You can be a member too if you want as you are a member of the DFB.


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    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    I concur with the member of an garda Siochana bit..

    On a side note, you'd be surprised how well saying "member" works to get in free to coppers.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    I concur with the member of an garda Siochana bit..

    On a side note, you'd be surprised how well saying "member" works to get in free to coppers.

    You have to pay me to go into that kip.


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    ScubaDave
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    See if ya still say that at 2am on a Monday night!!


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    eroo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    foreign wrote: »
    You have to pay me to go into that kip.

    foreign demands a cover charge to go in, but doesnt have to pay one:D


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    msg11
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    foreign wrote: »
    You have to pay me to go into that kip.

    In it once, the whole operation is a joke.


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    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    A tad off topic I know but what I would really like to know is why do AGS members ( yes , members ) call each other ' Mules ' ?


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    Spartan09
    Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭Spartan09


    delancey42 wrote: »
    A tad off topic I know but what I would really like to know is why do AGS members ( yes , members ) call each other ' Mules ' ?


    From what I was told by a Detective friend is that it is short for "Pack Mules", ie the uniforms do all the donkey work, how true this version of where Mules comes from I don't know...?


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    goldie fish
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭goldie fish


    delancey42 wrote: »
    A tad off topic I know but what I would really like to know is why do AGS members ( yes , members ) call each other ' Mules ' ?

    Our super was known as 7
    (Its a grizzly adams reference).


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    ScubaDave
    Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭ScubaDave


    Also as stubborn as mules!!


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    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Most Cops here call each other Members.

    Short for "Members Of [Insert State] Police"

    Members can be sworn or unsworn.

    Its just on of those things


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    optogirl
    Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭optogirl


    Zambia232 wrote: »
    Most Cops here call each other Members.


    I know a fella who was arrested for calling a Guard a member


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    cushtac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    optogirl wrote: »
    I know a fella who was arrested for calling a Guard a member

    I very much doubt that's all he was arrested for.


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    optogirl
    Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭optogirl


    cushtac wrote: »
    I very much doubt that's all he was arrested for.


    Eh, it was a joke man.


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    cushtac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    optogirl wrote: »
    Eh, it was a joke man.

    I'm sorry. I was under the impression jokes were meant to be funny, and had to make sense.


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    dfbemt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭dfbemt


    foreign wrote: »
    Because we are members of An Garda Síochána. Simple. You can be a member too if you want as you are a member of the DFB.

    I am an employee of DFB as distinct from a member.

    The use of the word member seems to imply a right, as in a club where a member has playing rights or joining rights.

    I also think that 'member' creates an air of them and us and may lead to some difficulties for Guards (see funny post by Optogirl).

    How would Guards feel if they referred to themselves simply as Guards or as employees of AGS?


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    eroo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    dfbemt wrote: »
    I am an employee of DFB as distinct from a member.

    The use of the word member seems to imply a right, as in a club where a member has playing rights or joining rights.

    I also think that 'member' creates an air of them and us and may lead to some difficulties for Guards (see funny post by Optogirl).

    How would Guards feel if they referred to themselves simply as Guards or as employees of AGS?

    I don't I've ever heard anyone criticise the whole 'member' thing. Does they being called Mules also create an air of 'them and us'?:pac:


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    cushtac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    dfbemt wrote: »
    I am an employee of DFB as distinct from a member.

    I thought you were referred to as fire fighters.
    dfbemt wrote: »
    The use of the word member seems to imply a right, as in a club where a member has playing rights or joining rights.

    It is the term used in legislation and nothing more.
    dfbemt wrote: »
    I also think that 'member' creates an air of them and us and may lead to some difficulties for Guards (see funny post by Optogirl).

    I think your effort to make an issue out of nothing says something about your feelings towards Gardaí more than anything else.
    dfbemt wrote: »
    How would Guards feel if they referred to themselves simply as Guards or as employees of AGS?

    Gardaí are called far worse so it's not going to bother us, but if you're that annoyed about the term 'member' ring your TD or Joe Duffy. Gardaí also refer to themselves as Gardaí, Guards, members, mules and polis (or polismen); do any of these names offend your sensibilities too or are we allowed keep them?


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    dfbemt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭dfbemt


    cushtac wrote: »
    I thought you were referred to as fire fighters.

    It is the term used in legislation and nothing more.

    I think your effort to make an issue out of nothing says something about your feelings towards Gardaí more than anything else.

    Gardaí are called far worse so it's not going to bother us, but if you're that annoyed about the term 'member' ring your TD or Joe Duffy. Gardaí also refer to themselves as Gardaí, Guards, members, mules and polis (or polismen); do any of these names offend your sensibilities too or are we allowed keep them?


    Whoa there pal. Simple questions asked to generate debate, nothing more.

    Really, if you can't participative in a constructive or even a lighthearted manner, you shouldn't participate.

    Guards are guards, firemen are firemen. No offence taken, sorry you took some.


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    Irish_polizei
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Irish_polizei


    Well said cushtac...this craic annoys me, trying to make a deal out of jack-sh#te...


    I just wanted to get that in before the lock, hint hint nudge nudge


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    cushtac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭cushtac


    dfbemt wrote: »
    Whoa there pal. Simple questions asked to generate debate, nothing more.

    It was a loaded question, not a simple one. You got an answer but felt compelled to go on with your own gripe about the use of the term 'member'.

    And there's a difference between generating debate and ****-stirring.
    dfbemt wrote: »
    Really, if you can't participative in a constructive or even a lighthearted manner, you shouldn't participate.

    Report the post if you're not happy with it, or talk to Joe.


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    dfbemt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭dfbemt


    cushtac wrote: »
    It was a loaded question, not a simple one. You got an answer but felt compelled to go on with your own gripe about the use of the term 'member'.

    And there's a difference between generating debate and ****-stirring.

    Report the post if you're not happy with it, or talk to Joe.

    I can assure you that it was not loaded but a narrow mind would never believe that.

    I also showed concern that the use of the term 'member' might cause difficulties for AGS and this was confirmed by another poster in reference to her friend.

    That is the 2nd time you have mentioned Joe Duffy. Obsessive?

    Like the DFB, I am sure AGS also has its fair share of a**eholes. Thanks for confirming that point for me.

    It's a pity that people can't honestly debate nowadays without resorting to jibes when there is something said that they don't like.

    Report the thread if you're not happy with it, or talk to Joe :D


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    coolmoose
    Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭coolmoose


    @ dfbemt, your question was answered, and the post by Optogirl does not back up your statement in any manner?

    A Garda is a member of AGS, therefore they refer to each other as members...honestly, was this even worthy of a debate? Or even a thread at all?

    This is worse than the blue light threads!


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    Hooch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭Hooch


    Irish_polizei wrote: »
    I just wanted to get that in before the lock, hint hint nudge nudge

    Last time I check you were not a moderator here.......hint hint nudge nudge again and we'll see where it gets you.

    To Everyone - Moderators make the decision to lock threads. The report button is there for a reason.....use it or dont type!

    O/P - Your question has been answered, very correctly - AGS are refered to as members of AGS in legislation. Thats where it comes from

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