Low-cost Hotels: 24-hour bars with €50 admission

JonJoeDali

I was in a well-known hotel in Dublin last week. I was at a party. But what I saw on the way out was disgusting. Half 2 in the morning and 30 something year-old men and women who I saw on the way in still knocking back wine and beer, being totally obnoxious to the staff and in an absolute state. Acting like badly-behaved rock stars (on €30k a year). No doubt they were there till sunrise and had no intention of using their hotel room. They probably wake up around 5pm "to watch the match" and start all over again. These are the kind of people who'll end up in AA one day. The business model of these 24 hour bars/"hotels" is very dangerous if you ask me.

PanchoVilla

JonJoeDali wrote: »

I was in a well-known hotel in Dublin last week. I was at a party. But what I saw on the way out was disgusting. Half 2 in the morning and 30 something year-old men and women who I saw on the way in still knocking back wine and beer, being totally obnoxious to the staff and in an absolute state. Acting like badly-behaved rock stars (on €30k a year). No doubt they were there till sunrise and had no intention of using their hotel room. They probably wake up around 5pm "to watch the match" and start all over again. These are the kind of people who'll end up in AA one day. The business model of these 24 hour bars/"hotels" is very dangerous if you ask me.

As long as they're in the bar where staff that keep serving them have to put up with them then I don't see a problem. I'd personally love to see drinking in public heavily regulated in this country but I don't think that'll ever happen. Too much money to be made from poisoning people who just don't know any better.

Tigger

O thought thi was an infomercial

pebbles21

JonJoeDali wrote: »

I was in a well-known hotel in Dublin last week. I was at a party. But what I saw on the way out was disgusting. Half 2 in the morning and 30 something year-old men and women who I saw on the way in still knocking back wine and beer, being totally obnoxious to the staff and in an absolute state. Acting like badly-behaved rock stars (on €30k a year). No doubt they were there till sunrise and had no intention of using their hotel room. They probably wake up around 5pm "to watch the match" and start all over again. These are the kind of people who'll end up in AA one day. The business model of these 24 hour bars/"hotels" is very dangerous if you ask me.

They were probably sitting beside you at the party earlier :rolleyes:

minidazzler

I say give all bars 24 hour licences. After the initial novelty we would all find our own levels rather than shotgunning 15 pints in 4 hours.

JohnathanM

minidazzler wrote: »

I say give all bars 24 hour licences. After the initial novelty we would all find our own levels rather than shotgunning 15 pints in 4 hours.

That, and make drink readily available in other venues so that people can choose the environment they want to drink in. You know, like it works in the rest of the modern world. Won't fix anything overnight, and you'll always have people going too far (especially kids), but it's a start to changing the general attitude.

gonedrinking

The extra tax earned from 24 hour licenses wouldn't be a bad thing either, plus it would create more jobs. It would also mean less fights at taxi ranks and fast food places, meaning less police resources needed and less strain on A&E departments.

Dean820

If I want to enjoy myself on a weekend away, its none of your business.

mikom

JonJoeDali wrote: »

Acting like badly-behaved rock stars (on €30k a year).

Music piracy must be hitting them badly....

JonJoeDali

Dean820 wrote: »

If I want to enjoy myself on a weekend away, its none of your business.

It is when you expect me to pay for your liver transplant/6 week stay in a psychiatric hospital.

You should pop in to the foyer of St Patrick's hospital and see how ordinary the people are who end up having to get treatment for their alcholism and counseling for their addiction.

What you won't see are the broken relationships and children denied opportunities.

JohnathanM

JonJoeDali wrote: »

It is when you expect me to pay for your liver transplant/6 week stay in a psychiatric hospital.

You should pop in to the foyer of St Patrick's hospital and see how ordinary the people are who end up having to get treatment for their alcholism and counseling for their addiction.

What you won't see are the broken relationships and children denied opportunities.

Wow, there's a leap worthy of the Olympics. You move from people enjoying a weekend on the lash to illness and broken homes, without skipping a beat. Lots people enjoy the drink, few will really suffer from it and protecting those few from themselves should not come at the cost of everybody else's liberty. Sure, we could save money but I would be at pains to say that it isn't your money - it's ours, and it includes taxes from those using, producing and selling alcohol alongside the taxes paid on the earnings people use to buy it.

The problem is not the drink, it is the attitude of some people toward it, and that will not be changed by curtailing the length and breadth of availability.

AnonoBoy

JonJoeDali wrote: »

No doubt they were there till sunrise and had no intention of using their hotel room. They probably wake up around 5pm "to watch the match" and start all over again. These are the kind of people who'll end up in AA one day.

I heard they left 10 minutes after you did.

JonJoeDali

JohnathanM wrote: »

The problem is not the drink, it is the attitude of some people toward it, and that will not be changed by curtailing the length and breadth of availability.

True. There's nothing stopping anyone drinking 24 hours a day in the privacy of their own home. Thankfully public bars on private property are licensed by legislation. The "residents bar" hotel loophole (which is in itself a business model for certain companies), needs to be reigned in.

RMD

JonJoeDali wrote: »

It is when you expect me to pay for your liver transplant/6 week stay in a psychiatric hospital.

You should pop in to the foyer of St Patrick's hospital and see how ordinary the people are who end up having to get treatment for their alcholism and counseling for their addiction.

What you won't see are the broken relationships and children denied opportunities.

Why should I and the large majority who can have a drink without causing a problem for others suffer our ability to do that because a small percentage can't?

JonJoeDali

RMD wrote: »

Why should I and the large majority who can have a drink without causing a problem for others suffer our ability to do that because a small percentage can't?

If you don't like the law, perhaps you should vote for someone who'll change it.

Anyway, there's nothing stopping you drinking yourself silly inside your own home. Sure you could even invite a few friends over and get the decorators in to install a bar if you want that "bar feeling".

The Waltzing Consumer

JonJoeDali wrote: »

If you don't like the law, perhaps you should vote for someone who'll change it.

Anyway, there's nothing stopping you drinking yourself silly inside your own home. Sure you could even invite a few friends over and get the decorators in to install a bar if you want that "bar feeling".

But doesn't that go against your argument? You argued about these 24 hour bars on the basis that the problem lies when "It is when you expect me to pay for your liver transplant/6 week stay in a psychiatric hospital." So someone in drinking non stop at home will still end up in hospital or whatever. You have no problem when people drink 24 hours in their own home, just not in 24 hour bars.

It kind of sounds like you are a bar owner annoyed at losing customers to these other establishments

JohnathanM

JonJoeDali wrote: »

The "residents bar" hotel loophole (which is in itself a business model for certain companies), needs to be reigned in.

I don't see the reason at all. Longer hours mean people can take their time, and not bang back as many as possible in as short a time as possible. Won't change tomorrow, but it will change as it gets through people's heads that they can actually relax with a pint. Saw this when I went to live in Germany years ago, with a couple of weekends out before the lads twigged that they were on the way out as people were just starting to come out. I understand that this is a simplification, but I think that the point stands.

Further to that, increasing the venues helps as people can drink according to their style. Want to get lashed? Hit a pub. Want to chill and take it slow? Find a nice lounge bar. Right now in Ireland there is no option on when and how to drink, and that just ingrains the behaviour, I think.

TL;DR More booze, in more places. Then perhaps I can get something nice to drink when I'm out with my friends instead of Coke, Cibloodydona or yet another damned coffee.

JonJoeDali

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

But doesn't that go against your argument?

No. You've missed the point. I'm saying that the State shouldn't facilitate drunken idiots. If they insist on behaving like drunken idiots, they should do it inside their own homes. Public nuisance is just one factor.

JonJoeDali

JohnathanM wrote: »

Then perhaps I can get something nice to drink when I'm out with my friends instead of Coke, Cibloodydona or yet another damned coffee.

Maybe you've spotted a niche in the market?

Doubt it though. Heineken, Budweiser, Carlsberg, Guinness, Bulmers, "red or white wine" (the grape/region/country is irrelevant), G&T, vodka/whiskey coke does about 95% of the population. A good rule in business is: make decisions easy for your customer.

Nevermind_

OP if you dont like the Hotel/venue or the people there then leave and go somewhere else or go home!!
Nobody is forcing you to frequent that particular establishment.
I really dont understand your whole complaint, people get drunk shock horror!! Hotels abuse the residents bar "loophole" Oh My GOD!! Wont somebody please think of the children!!! :P
You really must have feck all to worry about in your life if this is your pet peeve

NoHornJan

Puts me in mind of Faulty Towers.
Could you imagine Manuel as lounge boy taking orders from drunken patrygoers?

JonJoeDali

Nevermind_ wrote: »

people get drunk shock horror!!

It's illegal to be drunk in public and you can be arrested for your own safety and the safety of others.

mconigol

JonJoeDali wrote: »

It's illegal to be drunk in public and you can be arrested for your own safety and the safety of others.

another bloody crusader who quite obviously has no idea what they are talking about......

you've jumped from one argument to another which tells me that you are just somebody who is simply "anti-alcohol"...


Please people don't humour this kind of trolling nonsense!