Future European Stars

Only one Keano

With the Ryder Cup come and gone and so many good young players who either played or were competing for spots in the team like McIlroy, Fisher, Molinari brothers, Kaymer, Quiros etc............

Names of next generation of players in their twenties that spring to mind include:

Player|Country|Age|R2 Dubai|World Ranking
Matteo Manassero|Italy|17|84|164
Pablo Martin|Spain|24|71|291
Pablo Larrazabal|Spain|27|85|327
Rhys Davies|Wales|25|15|59
John Parry|England|23|39|123
Shane Lowry|Ireland|23|62|121
Danny Willet|England|23|67|19
Joost Luiten|Holland|24|46|184
Gary Boyd|England|24|47|141
David Horsey|England|25|28|86
Olly Fisher|England|22|73|259
James Morrison|England|25|52|147
Chris Wood|England|22|41|97
Martin Laird|Scotland|23|101|58
Alex Noren|Sweden|28|117|90
Nick Dougherty|England|28|136|268
Richie Ramsey|Scotland|27|65|200


Don't forget the Challenge tour hotshots and the amateurs coming thru including guys like Tommy Fleetwood, who is supposed to be a potential super-star.

Which ones stand out for you as potential Major winners, Ryder Cup stars etc....and is there anyone who I have left out or shouldn't have included????????

I reckon Matteo with an extra 20 yards off the tee, which he will gain as he gets into his 20's, looks the real deal and the best of the next crop.

Thought this would be an interesting thread and will spark plenty of conversation!!!!!!!!!:)

f22

Manassero is without doubt a class act in my opinion. Chris Wood, although off the boil has knocked on the open door a couple of times and has huge potential. I think Danny Willett has something special, when he gets going he's a birdie machine. He'll have his first victory soon enough and I think he will go on to better things.

couerdelion

I really like the look of John Parry. He won the Vivendi and has followed it up with a couple of good tournaments. He's a fellow Yorkshireman too and hr is playing out of Harrogate GC.

Trampas

f22 wrote: »

Manassero is without doubt a class act in my opinion. Chris Wood, although off the boil has knocked on the open door a couple of times and has huge potential. I think Danny Willett has something special, when he gets going he's a birdie machine. He'll have his first victory soon enough and I think he will go on to better things.

i think when Willett gets over the line he will improve

1916

Martin Laird only 23? I thought he was a lot older than that

Mister Sifter

Laird is 27. Improving all the time.

There's a few players mentioned there who've arguably never really lived up to the hype - Ramsey, Pablo Martin, Larrazabal, Wood are just a few who have came on the scene in a blaze of hype but who have disappointed.

In fact, that list to me looks mainly like a bunch of future tour journeymen rather than 'stars'.

I agree that Willett looks the real deal.

Only one Keano

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Laird is 27. Improving all the time.

There's a few players mentioned there who've arguably never really lived up to the hype - Ramsey, Pablo Martin, Larrazabal, Wood are just a few who have came on the scene in a blaze of hype but who have disappointed.

In fact, that list to me looks mainly like a bunch of future tour journeymen rather than 'stars'.

I agree that Willett looks the real deal.

Laird is 23 according to European Tour website - http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/players/playerid=34548/index.html

You could be right but bit early to be calling most of them future journeymen. As for the players you mentioned:

Ramsey - has struggled since he won US Amateur and turned pro but seems to have established himself and may kick on from there to another level.

Pablo Martin - has been a bit inconsistent but has two tour wins and other from his choke last w/end would have made that 3 wins. He also got picked for the Europe team that played Asia in the Royal Trophy so he must be rated.

Pablo Larrazabal - similar to Martin but was seriously impressive when he closed out the French Open a couple of years ago on a really tricky finish. He has not hit the sae heights since but has also been selected for Europe in the Royal Trophy so must be rated by those in the know.

Chris Wood - would have strongly disagree with you regards Wood. The others above have been very inconsistent but Wood is only just came on the scene. Had a very similar achievement to Justin Rose in his first British Open when amateur and then followed that up with another challenge for the title the following year (think he was only one shot out of a playoff). Thi was really his first year on tour and at only 22 he has done incredibly well and is Top 50 in race to dubai even though as he readily admos is in the process of making swing changes.


Then again this is all about opinions and I could be completely wrong with most of the names mentioned!!!

ps Thanks Licksy for putting it in a table format!

Mister Sifter

Laird is definitely 27. Born in December 1982.

Jasonw

There's no way that Danny Willet is no. 19 in the world.

as of 17 october he was ranked 576


in fact, not sure about any of those rankings. Davies look a bit high too.

couerdelion

Jasonw wrote: »

There's no way that Danny Willet is no. 19 in the world.

as of 17 october he was ranked 576


in fact, not sure about any of those rankings. Davies look a bit high too.

Yep Willet is 19 race to Dubai, 67 in the world, Davies us correct though as are the other I spot checked on the European Tour App.

Laird and Noren look wrong too.

Parky2010

That Gary Boyd looks a class act came out of no where really at the Czech Open ever since he's looked very impressive.

Aidric

I don't know why Dougherty is included on your list. He seems to be going only one direction.

As has been mentioned Willet is an exciting but erratic talent. However he is nowhere near 19th in the world. That belongs to Harrington at the moment. Willet is ranked 67th. You mixed up your R2D and WR.

The player that stands out for me though is Rhys Davies. He is going through a lean patch at the minute but he has had a seriously good rookie season. If he can get the rest of his game in tune with his putting then he'll win a lot of tournaments.

FutbolFever

Apart from Rory McIlroy, in my opinion, Victor Dubuisson is the best young talent on the European Tour.

f22

FutbolFever wrote: »

Apart from Rory McIlroy, in my opinion, Victor Dubuisson is the best young talent on the European Tour.

Considering he hasn't even got through tour school yet might be a little early to comment. Many a good amateur have struggled as professionals.

Parky2010

Gary Boyd having a great week again leading at -14, three shot lead at the mo. Also wearing IJP Design gear. Bet Poults is happy :rolleyes:

f22

Parky2010 wrote: »

Gary Boyd having a great week again leading at -14, three shot lead at the mo. Also wearing IJP Design gear. Bet Poults is happy :rolleyes:

Yeah, Boyd and his room mate Parry ripping it up today. Should be a good final day.

Speak Now

Aidric wrote: »

I don't know why Dougherty is included on your list. He seems to be going only one direction.

Biggest legend of them all, engaged to Di Stewart

Sporty_Kate

Matteo Masserano is some player, I love the connection he has with Tom Watson in the comps that they have played together in! Playing with Tom Watson must be some experience at his age!

Ok this might be a little off topic,
But as a girl around the same age as Matteo Masserano, He is gorgeous!

Mister Sifter

Sporty_Kate wrote: »

Matteo Masserano is some player, I love the connection he has with Tom Watson in the comps that they have played together in! Playing with Tom Watson must be some experience at his age!

Ok this might be a little off topic,
But as a girl around the same age as Matteo Masserano, He is gorgeous!

He's not a patch on Matteo Manassero though.

Sporty_Kate

Mister Sifter wrote: »

He's not a patch on Matteo Manassero though.

Thats wat i ment, Name spelling isnt my strong point!

Speak Now

Sporty_Kate wrote: »

Thats wat i ment, Name spelling isnt my strong point!

Never mind Kate

Myself, you, Matteo and Di would make a great 4 ball

bigtimecharlie

Aidric wrote: »

I don't know why Dougherty is included on your list. He seems to be going only one direction.

Have to agree..

A total waste of newspaper/internet space. Only way he is going is South..... Quickly..........


Chris Wood has potential..

But

Manassero is looking the real deal..

Only one Keano

Interesting to see so many of these potential stars competing at top of the leaderboard this afternoon (Boyd, Kuiten, Parry, Matteo) - http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/season=2010/tournamentid=2010072/leaderboard/index.html

Should be a good Sunday afternoon!!!:)

Trampas

Masserano welcome to the club

JerryHandbag

Youngest ever winner on tour. WOW. The strength in depth on the Euro tour is just getting better and better. I like the look of Joost Luiten too.

Only one Keano

Good weekend for European future stars - maiden professional win for Matteo. Good tournaments also for Laird, Luiten, Boyd and Parry.

Making the next Ryder Cup team could prove really difficult and think you may see a similar scenario arise for a good few established stars requiring wild-cards!

Only one Keano

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Laird is definitely 27. Born in December 1982.

Yep confirmed Laird is 27 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Laird

European Tour website a slap on the wrists!

Only one Keano

FutbolFever wrote: »

Apart from Rory McIlroy, in my opinion, Victor Dubuisson is the best young talent on the European Tour.

What about Matteo???

Other than Victor anyone have opinions on other guys not on the list who they reckon are class acts?

For example there have been a few amateurs who've either won or nearly won recently on Challenge Tour.

FutbolFever

f22 wrote: »

Considering he hasn't even got through tour school yet might be a little early to comment. Many a good amateur have struggled as professionals.

I'm entitled to my comment so therefore I will.

You class him as a good amateur? He's top class mate

FutbolFever

Only one Keano wrote: »

What about Matteo???

Other than Victor anyone have opinions on other guys not on the list who they reckon are class acts?

For example there have been a few amateurs who've either won or nearly won recently on Challenge Tour.

Matteo's talent is clear for everyone to see and hear in last year or so. Dubuisson hasn't so therefore I flagged him up. He's going to be awesome.

With those two, McIlroy, Ryo, Lee, Noh and Fowler, not to mention a host of US twenty-somethings, golf should be quite entertaining in the coming years.

As for others with potential on the European Tour, I'd expect Sam Hutsby to turn into a top-class golfer

Johnny_Fontane

FutbolFever wrote: »

I'm entitled to my comment so therefore I will.

You class him as a good amateur? He's top class mate

I'm sure he is, but the move is not easy. Look at Brian McElhinney, won the british and european amateur in 2005 and then won the georgia cup the week before the masters in '06 (which he played in and nearly made the cut), beating e.molinari 3&2.

Unfortunatley things havent gone his way since and he's now on the europro tour. I think he's one of our most successful amateur that hasnt made it.

f22

The list of great amateurs that haven't flourished in the pro ranks is endless. Ollie Fisher and James Heath are two English players that spring to mind, swell as US amateur champions like Bubba Dickerson.

heavyballs

f22 wrote: »

The list of great amateurs that haven't flourished in the pro ranks is endless. Ollie Fisher and James Heath are two English players that spring to mind, swell as US amateur champions like Bubba Dickerson.

don't know how you put those 2 together,Fisher is hardly a flop now is he?

Mister Sifter

heavyballs wrote: »

don't know how you put those 2 together,Fisher is hardly a flop now is he?

You're getting your Fishers and your Olivers mixed up i think. Oli Fisher has almost certainly been a flop.

Ross Fisher and Oliver Wilson, obviously are doing ok.

Only one Keano

Mister Sifter wrote: »

You're getting your Fishers and your Olivers mixed up i think. Oli Fisher has almost certainly been a flop.

Ross Fisher and Oliver Wilson, obviously are doing ok.

James Heath has been a big dissapointment after a lot of hype as have the likes of the Lloyd Saltman and Zane Scotland but think it's bit harsh and early to be calling Ollie Fisher a flop.

Fisher (Ollie) is only 22 and yes he did come on the scene with high expectations and in his first year in tour ('08) he was a big success and he was pipped by Thomas Levet coming down the stretch (may even been a playoff) for the Spanish Open. He then had a nightmare 2009 where he lost his card but has come back strong this year in already securing his card from a limited playing schedule. To have done that after a nightmare year is pretty impressive and would expect to see Fisher (Ollie) go from strength to strength in the coming years!

Only one Keano

FutbolFever wrote: »

Matteo's talent is clear for everyone to see and hear in last year or so. Dubuisson hasn't so therefore I flagged him up. He's going to be awesome.

With those two, McIlroy, Ryo, Lee, Noh and Fowler, not to mention a host of US twenty-somethings, golf should be quite entertaining in the coming years.

As for others with potential on the European Tour, I'd expect Sam Hutsby to turn into a top-class golfer

I agree that Hutsby looks like he has all the tools to go all the way.

Does anyon know much about the 2 young amatuers who won on the Challenge Tour this year? I know one was Danish and remember both players were either late teens or early 20's.

Speak Now

Mister Sifter wrote: »

You're getting your Fishers and your Olivers mixed up i think. Oli Fisher has almost certainly been a flop.

Ross Fisher and Oliver Wilson, obviously are doing ok.

Oliver Fisher is hardly a flop now, what is he 22 and has already earned £ 1.4 million? Lost his card last year but is going to get it back this year despite not getting through tour school last year. Fancy him to kick on and pick up a title in the early part of 2011. Very good talent.

Speak Now

Only one Keano wrote: »

I agree that Hutsby looks like he has all the tools to go all the way.

Does anyon know much about the 2 young amatuers who won on the Challenge Tour this year? I know one was Danish and remember both players were either late teens or early 20's.

Romain Wattel from France won in Austria, he's 19.

Andreas Harto is the Dane, he's 22 and turned Pro after winning in August and picked up his first cheque when winning again last week before Egypt

Only one Keano

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Romain Wattel from France won in Austria, he's 19.

Andreas Harto is the Dane, he's 22 and turned Pro after winning in August and picked up his first cheque when winning again last week before Egypt

I didn't realise Harto won again. Very impressive and someone to keep a close eye on in the near future.

With Kaymer having every chance of obtaining World Number 1 in c 4 years as a pro, it can only enhance the belief of these young guys coming out on tour!

heavyballs

Mister Sifter wrote: »

You're getting your Fishers and your Olivers mixed up i think. Oli Fisher has almost certainly been a flop.

Ross Fisher and Oliver Wilson, obviously are doing ok.

i'm most certainly not,you're just way off with your comparison,that's all

Mister Sifter

heavyballs wrote: »

i'm most certainly not,you're just way off with your comparison,that's all

Pity. In that case you're just wrong. Ollie Fisher has flopped big time.

heavyballs

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Pity. In that case you're just wrong. Ollie Fisher has flopped big time.

you're clutching,
he's earned €1.4 million in 4 years,hardly a flop
James heath has earned circa €250k since 2004,hhmmmm,great comparison alright,no need to drag this OT any more,my point is proved you just can't admit it

Mister Sifter

heavyballs wrote: »

you're clutching,
he's earned €1.4 million in 4 years,hardly a flop
James heath has earned circa €250k since 2004,hhmmmm,great comparison alright,no need to drag this OT any more,my point is proved you just can't admit it

Pop your glasses on there heavybollox... i didn't mention James Heath or compare Fisher with anyone for that matter. I merely compared Fisher's performance with expectation and in my opinion he's fallen well short.

And €1.4m means bugger all in today's golfing world. I'd say even Mr Coltart has mustered that in the past 4 years.

Speak Now

Coltart maybe he made that amount being a TV pundit, doubt he has on course.

Mister Sifter

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

Coltart maybe he made that amount being a TV pundit, doubt he has on course.

He doesn't really do TV punditry. Face for the radio.

Speak Now

Mister Sifter wrote: »

He doesn't really do TV punditry. Face for the radio.

He did until Setanta Golf went bust, remember those awful shirts

f22

Sadly the majority of quality amateurs don't make it to stardom. Someone mentioned Lloyd Saltman, I saw him shoot 66 in a hurricane on his way to winning the Irish Amateur a few years ago. I still haven't seen a better display of golf at any tournament I've ever been to. Since turning pro he's struggled and that's with great talent.

There's a huge crop of English youngsters at the moment, Sam Hutsby, Tommy Fleetwood, Tom Lewis, Luke Goddard etc but probably one or perhaps two will be household names on tour, that's how tough it is.

Incidentally, I caddied for a mate of mine when he was paired with a Dutch chap, Floris De Vries who has just gained his European Tour card. He was obviously a quality player and I will be most interested to see how he stands up with the big boys.

Only one Keano

Interesting analysis of the Challenge Tour Graduates.............http://www.golf365.com/news_story/0,17923,9785_6495350,00.html
and will be intersting to see how these guys go next year, in particular Thorbjorn Olesen.

Nicklaus

In my opinion, Shane Lowry is the class act amongst a galaxy of potential stars.