partner/berlingo 1.6 HDI

ronaldo84

has anyone any experiences with the new 1.6 hdi engine in the new peugeot and citreon vans and cars? thinking about buying a new partner but ive heard the engines cause trouble. cheers

Row

Great little engine if there serviced on time and the correct oil used.
The 90bhp 1.6hdi has'nt got a dpf so thats one thing less to worry about....:)

Grimreaper666

2.0 HDi is a superior engine by all accounts, i've heard of lots of problems with the smaller engine.

kincaid

yes the 1.6 hdi does give trouble. its the same engine that in the ford focus tdci... as stated the 2.0 hdi is a far more reliable engine

ronaldo84

Row wrote: »

Great little engine if there serviced on time and the correct oil used.
The 90bhp 1.6hdi has'nt got a dpf so thats one thing less to worry about....:)

dpf what does that stand for??

L1011

ronaldo84 wrote: »

dpf what does that stand for??

Diesel particulate filter

Got a C4 with the 1.6HDI outside, its got 231,000 on the clock now. The air intake manifold's been taped up at some point past (before I got my hands on it) and the turbo can blip off if you're driving in monsoon rain conditions - I think water's getting at the boost sensor in this case. Otherwise its never skipped a beat, started first time even when it was -12 out.

Row

MYOB wrote: »

Diesel particulate filter

Got a C4 with the 1.6HDI outside, its got 231,000 on the clock now. The air intake manifold's been taped up at some point past (before I got my hands on it) and the turbo can blip off if you're driving in monsoon rain conditions - I think water's getting at the boost sensor in this case. Otherwise its never skipped a beat, started first time even when it was -12 out.

Sounds like its been serviced well....:cool:



The 2.0's are also a great engine but the earlier 1.6's partners/berlingos will pull away ahead of the 2.0 hdi....:)

tinofapples

Just bought an 07 1.6 HDi van, very happy with it so far. Has a nice bit of pickup in it. Have few minor things to do with it including a service. Part of the Air Intake pipe is missing and the top is terribly rattly , I'm told it's a common problem. See pic, red line is where pipe missing and the yellow is where it rattles alot:



Anything else I should be looking out for on it ? It's only covered 56k klms so barely broken in.

taintabird

I service a few of these bot in 307 and focus If they are serviced correctly and the right oil used there fine even seen a couple of reps cars with high mileage running fine as well

si_guru

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

2.0 HDi is a superior engine by all accounts, i've heard of lots of problems with the smaller engine.

Rubbish... 1.6 is lighter and more powerful.. revs higher too.

I just sold a 2006 Berlingo car back in Sept which we had from new.... 60-70 mpg easily achievable and round town will top 50mpg no bother.

Not one single problem - just fitted new discs and pads at 25,000miles.

We towed our Caravan all round SW Ireland too.. 35mpg and no trouble.

Plug

I think they are fairly good engines. Mixed results here.

Row

tinofapples wrote: »

Just bought an 07 1.6 HDi van, very happy with it so far. Has a nice bit of pickup in it. Have few minor things to do with it including a service. Part of the Air Intake pipe is missing and the top is terribly rattly , I'm told it's a common problem. See pic, red line is where pipe missing and the yellow is where it rattles alot:

Anything else I should be looking out for on it ? It's only covered 56k klms so barely broken in.

The air filter box (yellow) sits into rubber guides..check these and see if they have worn...replace if need be.
The air filter intake pipe (Red) may need a self tapper to keep it from rattling.
Oil&filter should be changed every 15k (Kms) and use a good fully syn oil.

I use mobil 1 5w/30 esp which is suited to the dv6 engine fitted with dpf's...you don't have to worry about a dpf as 90 bhps don't have them..:)

maidhc

The 1.6HDi is the defacto engine for most cars in europe, so it must be good. Powers everything from BMWs, to Fords, to Citroens and Peugeots.

tinofapples

Row wrote: »

The air filter box (yellow) sits into rubber guides..check these and see if they have worn...replace if need be.
The air filter intake pipe (Red) may need a self tapper to keep it from rattling.
Oil&filter should be changed every 15k (Kms) and use a good fully syn oil.

I use mobil 1 5w/30 esp which is suited to the dv6 engine fitted with dpf's...you don't have to worry about a dpf as 90 bhps don't have them..:)

Out of interest what engine oil should I use ? My van is the 55KW engine (Which I'm guessing is 74bhp), fully synthetic ?

taintabird

5W30 fully synth

tinofapples

taintabird wrote: »

5W30 fully synth

Thanks bud.

richiee

I have a peugeot partner van, 1.6hdi. I bought it with 4k miles on the clock from England last september. It was an ex hire van. It had its first service at 12k miles at my local Peugeot dealer. Now I have 22k miles on it and the turbo has to be replaced. Lovely van to drive and very comfortable but it seems that according to all accounts they have a bad engine. As i said the van has only 22k miles done and was serviced at the recomended interval by a peugeot dealer...
Keep well away from these engines is my advice

Row

richiee wrote: »

I have a peugeot partner van, 1.6hdi. I bought it with 4k miles on the clock from England last september. It was an ex hire van. It had its first service at 12k miles at my local Peugeot dealer. Now I have 22k miles on it and the turbo has to be replaced. Lovely van to drive and very comfortable but it seems that according to all accounts they have a bad engine. As i said the van has only 22k miles done and was serviced at the recomended interval by a peugeot dealer...
Keep well away from these engines is my advice

I've seen these going up to 130-140 k mls on there original turbos...Sounds like you have been unlucky.
With 22k mls i'm guessing its still under warranty...??

richiee

It is, well as far as i know it is, ive to wait for them to get back to me on that. Its covered for 3 years in the UK but if it was bought here in the south it would only be covered for 2 years. Whats the reason for this?
Im wondering now though is it time to get rid of it?... Will a new turbo last any longer?

L1011

richiee wrote: »

I have a peugeot partner van, 1.6hdi. I bought it with 4k miles on the clock from England last september. It was an ex hire van. It had its first service at 12k miles at my local Peugeot dealer. Now I have 22k miles on it and the turbo has to be replaced. Lovely van to drive and very comfortable but it seems that according to all accounts they have a bad engine. As i said the van has only 22k miles done and was serviced at the recomended interval by a peugeot dealer...
Keep well away from these engines is my advice

4k is fairly low for hire, it was almost certainly driven to death as a hire and there's a very good chance it was clocked too...

Mine had 249,500 on it when it was handed in for a new Toyota (that got handed back in for an Opel within three weeks, horrible heap of a car) and never had a problem.

-Corkie-

MYOB wrote: »

4k is fairly low for hire, it was almost certainly driven to death as a hire and there's a very good chance it was clocked too...

Mine had 249,500 on it when it was handed in for a new Toyota (that got handed back in for an Opel within three weeks, horrible heap of a car) and never had a problem.

I would be very suprised if the mileage was genuine. As you said the crap must have been driven out of it.

Technoprisoner

these things are an absoulute disaster of an engine...fair enough the 90 bhp isnt as bad as the 110 bhp....but any car that eats turbos and engines because of carbon build up is a bad car imho

richiee

Well I can say with 99% certainty that it wasnt clocked but it had been involved in an accident. Someone ran into the back of it. One back door and the bumber and rear lamp had to be replaced. There was no damage what so ever to the front of the van and there was no mechanical or chassis damage. I know another man living nearby who had the same problem with a 2008 1.6hdi van. He got 35k kms and the turbo went in it. He had it replaced under waranty and it lasted another 30k kms. These are not the only vans Ive heard of giving this kind of trouble with low mileage, there seems to me to be a trend here, them engines just arent good enough!

richiee

-Corkie- wrote: »

I would be very suprised if the mileage was genuine. As you said the crap must have been driven out of it.

Why suurprised that the mileage wasnt genuine?
When you say "The crap driven out of it" what do you mean?
I have to say I drive it on fairly well, I dont do any towing but I do drive it hard. I expect it should be able to cope with being drive hard!

L1011

richiee wrote: »

Why suurprised that the mileage wasnt genuine?
When you say "The crap driven out of it" what do you mean?
I have to say I drive it on fairly well, I dont do any towing but I do drive it hard. I expect it should be able to cope with being drive hard!

Hire vehicles are traditionally caned; and 4k is an EXTREMELY low figure for a hire company to dispose of a vehicle after - unless it was known to be defective by them - hence assuming it was clocked.

-Corkie-

richiee wrote: »

Why suurprised that the mileage wasnt genuine?
When you say "The crap driven out of it" what do you mean?
I have to say I drive it on fairly well, I dont do any towing but I do drive it hard. I expect it should be able to cope with being drive hard!

You should run the reg through Motorcheck.ie and it will tell you if its clocked or not. Even with the accident damage 4K is too low of mileage.

richiee

I did check it before I bought it. They said it hadnt been clocked but was a category D write off, which means it can be returned to the road.
Face it, they are just a defective engine....

EPM

richiee wrote: »

I did check it before I bought it. They said it hadnt been clocked but was a category D write off, which means it can be returned to the road.
Face it, they are just a defective engine....

Or your one was defective. Failures happen, but that is probably one of the most used diesel engine out there and there are probably millions at this stage still running just fine.

-Corkie-

Turbos need a certain amount of minding.

Dont rev too hard in the morning until the car has warmed up.

Regular oil change with proper spec oil.

Avoid revving to the limiter which probably happened yours when it was on hire.

And most important leave the engine idle for a few minutes after a drive. Shutting the engine off straight away will cook the seals on the Turbo..

richiee

Im a mechanic myself with agricultural machinery. I know how to take care of a turbo and as I said it was serviced by a Peugeot dealer. Even if you forget about my van and say its a faulty one, it still doesnt account for the other ones Ive heard of which have given trouble. I was talking to a mechanic in a Peugeot dealership a few weeks ago and even he admitted that they are giving a lot of trouble.

L1011

richiee wrote: »

I did check it before I bought it. They said it hadnt been clocked but was a category D write off, which means it can be returned to the road.
Face it, they are just a defective engine....

Your one is defective. The millions of others out there aren't.

Anything in a vehicle which has been hired is going to have been stressed well beyond what you'd expect for its mileage.

Row

Tbh it does sound like yours has been unlucky...I running a 407 1.6 hdi with 103 k mls and a C4 1.6 hdi with 130 k mls and both are on there original turbos...:)

Technoprisoner

MYOB wrote: »

Your one is defective. The millions of others out there aren't.

Anything in a vehicle which has been hired is going to have been stressed well beyond what you'd expect for its mileage.

Row wrote: »

Tbh it does sound like yours has been unlucky...I running a 407 1.6 hdi with 103 k mls and a C4 1.6 hdi with 130 k mls and both are on there original turbos...:)

i sell turbos for these cars...the problem is so presistent that our supplier has very specific instructions when fitting a replacement turbo to these cars...basically the whole engine needs to be stripped down and cleaned..ie oil pump off inspected and cleaned...sump off inspected and cleaned etc...they also warn that the turbo is the first sign of the engine on its way out and its not unheard of for these engines to fail after only 30,000 miles!!

taintabird

Technoprisoner wrote: »

i sell turbos for these cars...the problem is so presistent that our supplier has very specific instructions when fitting a replacement turbo to these cars...basically the whole engine needs to be stripped down and cleaned..ie oil pump off inspected and cleaned...sump off inspected and cleaned etc...they also warn that the turbo is the first sign of the engine on its way out and its not unheard of for these engines to fail after only 30,000 miles!!

A lot of the problem is actually incorrect servicing ie use of incorrect oil over due oil change ect, use of a good quality engine flush and the correct specification oil and there usually isnt any problem with them. I have seen a few 1.6 hdi with high enough millage that had been serviced correctly with no major problems.

richiee

I had this van serviced by a Peugeot dealer. As i said Im a mechanic myself but just in case it gave trouble I said Id get it serviced by a dealer in case they wouldnt stand over the warranty. In the last day or 2 since my turbo failed Ive spoken to loads of car mechanics about it. The vast majority of them have told me that they do give a lot of trouble even when service correctly. I know some of you have said that these engines are fitted to lots of cars ond vans but they must be set up differently in the Partner/Berlingo vans because Ive heard of more trouble with them vehicles. Its really bad advertising for Peugeot.

richiee

Technoprisoner wrote: »

i sell turbos for these cars...the problem is so presistent that our supplier has very specific instructions when fitting a replacement turbo to these cars...basically the whole engine needs to be stripped down and cleaned..ie oil pump off inspected and cleaned...sump off inspected and cleaned etc...they also warn that the turbo is the first sign of the engine on its way out and its not unheard of for these engines to fail after only 30,000 miles!!

Will the Peugeot dealer clean and inspect my engine I wonder?

taintabird

richiee wrote: »

Will the Peugeot dealer clean and inspect my engine I wonder?

What mileage was on your van when the turbo failed ?

richiee

22k miles which is 35k kms. I had It serviced at 12k miles and had it booked in for its second one when the turbo failed

ronaldo84

it seems the 1.6 hdi is not reliable. how come the 2.0 hdi doesnt give as much trouble would it b that the 1.6hdi is not big enough??

Wainwright09

Hoping to get meself a partner/berlingo,so i need to educate meself a bit.
From what i read here it seems i should stay away from the 1.6l engine.Glad i came here first.
Im looking at 04-06 moneywise,So what is the general consensus on the 2l hdi engine,turbo,gearbox etc,in this age of van? and is there anything i should be looking out for or,looking for?
I need a towbar on it but im wondering would it be better to buy a van without one and then buy and fit one.I know it couldve been taken off before the sale to make it look like it got less hard work but,i reckon there should be signs that it had a towbar.
Whats the most obvious sign or easiest to see?

ronaldo84

Wainwright09 wrote: »

Hoping to get meself a partner/berlingo,so i need to educate meself a bit.
From what i read here it seems i should stay away from the 1.6l engine.Glad i came here first.
Im looking at 04-06 moneywise,So what is the general consensus on the 2l hdi engine,turbo,gearbox etc,in this age of van? and is there anything i should be looking out for or,looking for?
I need a towbar on it but im wondering would it be better to buy a van without one and then buy and fit one.I know it couldve been taken off before the sale to make it look like it got less hard work but,i reckon there should be signs that it had a towbar.
Whats the most obvious sign or easiest to see?

scratches and dents around the bumper and back door. you should pick up a decent one 4 around €3000-€3500

mikelan

Avoid all 1.6hdi engines like the plague unless you buy it from new and change the oil yourself.
You can't trust any previous owners or garages to use the correct oil.
I know because mine has packed in after 60k. engine gone.

Row

mikelan wrote: »

Avoid all 1.6hdi engines like the plague unless you buy it from new and change the oil yourself.
You can't trust any previous owners or garages to use the correct oil.
I know because mine has packed in after 60k. engine gone.

I did a job on a 2006 407 1.6 hdi with 150k mls on its original turbo engine etc and it was running fine....saying that the owner used the correct grade of oil and changed it every 8kmls from new...:)

taintabird

Row wrote: »

I did a job on a 2006 407 1.6 hdi with 150k mls on its original turbo engine etc and it was running fine....saying that the owner used the correct grade of oil and changed it every 8kmls from new...:)

That's all it takes use the correct oil and you wont have a problem, most people only see price when they are buying oil and aren’t prepared to pay the extra for the low ash fully synthetic oil recommended for use in the 1.6 hdi;s

liptonvillag

There's probably 100,000 or more of these engines been produced for sale across the European market every year. They are in a good number of cars. From what I gather, it's a fairly small engine producing quite a lot of horse power for its size. From what I have gathered, it needs oil changes every 6,000 miles and its advised by peugeot/citroen mechanics to use Low Saps oil as opposed to your regular standard 5w30 fully syn oil. I believe the small engine is harsher on the oil and carbon build up is a problem. Waiting for the 15,000- 20,000 mile servicing is a nonsense. These engines are not made for town driving either and this would be considered arduous driving conditions. Most people will not change the oil every 6,000 mile oil changes and hence may be causing a lot of carbon build up causing premature death of the turbo. It has a leaky injector valve problem as well and that's another days work but for the amount of them out there there is plenty that dont have a leaky injector valves.

corkgsxr

liptonvillag wrote: »

There's probably 100,000 or more of these engines been produced for sale across the European market every year. They are in a good number of cars. From what I gather, it's a fairly small engine producing quite a lot of horse power for its size. From what I have gathered, it needs oil changes every 6,000 miles and its advised by peugeot/citroen mechanics to use Low Saps oil as opposed to your regular standard 5w30 fully syn oil. I believe the small engine is harsher on the oil and carbon build up is a problem. Waiting for the 15,000- 20,000 mile servicing is a nonsense. These engines are not made for town driving either and this would be considered arduous driving conditions. Most people will not change the oil every 6,000 mile oil changes and hence may be causing a lot of carbon build up causing premature death of the turbo. It has a leaky injector valve problem as well and that's another days work but for the amount of them out there there is plenty that dont have a leaky injector valves.

Thank you for the 2 year late reply.

iv had one. There a heap. There not designed for motorway/dualler and there not designed for town or urban. And they cant overtake a donkey on small roads.

Basically all there designed for is long distance at 90kph. Anything else and good luck to you. I was never happyer to see a van go to someone else

And the service interval is ridiculous for something that takes less than 4L of oil. My primastar is the same interval but 8 L of fully syth. And nissan recommend you change it early if you care at all for it

JohnBoy26

liptonvillag wrote: »

There's probably 100,000 or more of these engines been produced for sale across the European market every year. They are in a good number of cars. From what I gather, it's a fairly small engine producing quite a lot of horse power for its size. From what I have gathered, it needs oil changes every 6,000 miles and its advised by peugeot/citroen mechanics to use Low Saps oil as opposed to your regular standard 5w30 fully syn oil. I believe the small engine is harsher on the oil and carbon build up is a problem. Waiting for the 15,000- 20,000 mile servicing is a nonsense. These engines are not made for town driving either and this would be considered arduous driving conditions. Most people will not change the oil every 6,000 mile oil changes and hence may be causing a lot of carbon build up causing premature death of the turbo. It has a leaky injector valve problem as well and that's another days work but for the amount of them out there there is plenty that dont have a leaky injector valves.

Old thread. Those engines are dreadful. You can change the oil as often as you like and use the best of oil and they will still give you head aches.