Toyota at it again

Stevie Dakota

Another day, another recall..

Toyota Motor Corp. announced three separate recalls of a combined 1.5 million vehicles, including 740,000 in the U.S., on concerns that brake-fluid leaks eventually could hinder brake performance.

The news comes as a Toyota executive said Wednesday that the company's internal investigation of sudden-acceleration problems that led to massive recalls has produced no evidence of problems with engine electronics.

In the U.S., the latest recall involves Avalon made in 2005 to 2006, nonhybrid Highlanders from 2004 to 2006 and several Lexus models. Another 600,898 vehicles were recalled in Japan and about 200,000 in China.

The world's biggest auto maker by volume said brake fluid used during maintenance may not contain enough of certain lubricants used in their manufacturing process, which ultimately may result in leaks that eventually could result in a spongy or soft brake pedal feel and a potential decline in braking performance.

The company about two weeks ago said it had completed repairs on more than five million vehicles for three major recalls announced in late 2009 and early 2010 in the U.S. involving unintended acceleration and braking issues.

Toyota in August raised its full-year earnings forecast and posted its highest quarterly profit in two years as brisk demand overshadowed the strong yen and other looming threats.

Zubeneschamali

Good for them.

fonecrusher1

Ah well at least they're actually recalling the vehicles to sort the problem.

God knows how many auto makers have discovered certain flaws in their cars & pretended not to know.;)

Cookie_Monster

The world's biggest auto maker by volume said brake fluid used during maintenance may not contain enough of certain lubricants used in their manufacturing process

how is that a recall issue. Surely if they have a recommended brake fluid and it's not being used then whoever is servicing is at fault?

bazz26

BMW annouced a recall recently too, of course it didn't quite make the same ripple here or in the media.

Must be uncool to critisize the halo brand.

Plug

Japanese reliability:rolleyes:


In fairness though the media always go mad at Toyota over recalls, every manufacture goes through them.

fonecrusher1

Plug wrote: »

Japanese reliability:rolleyes:

What make of car do you drive?

Plug

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

What make of car do you drive?

Ford.

fonecrusher1

Plug wrote: »

Ford.

Plug

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

I know yeah its great, thanks!

Matt Simis

bazz26 wrote: »

Must be uncool to critisize the halo brand.

BMW, a brand, are a halo brand for... other car brands? Thats doesnt even make sense! An entire lineup cannot be called a halo brand, thats completely missing the point of what halo branding is.

Marketing aside!
BMW's recall didnt have an increasing body count, an international corporate cover up or the sheer amount of recalled vehicles the Toyota ones did.
The BMW recall was for hydraulic brake assist failure, not complete failure or "unintended acceleration" as Toyota calls it.

fonecrusher1

Plug wrote: »

Japanese reliability:rolleyes:

http://www.irishexaminer.ie/ireland/japanese-car-makers-top-survey-on-reliability-125787.html

http://www.newcarnet.co.uk/reliability_car_search.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/7865945/Japanese-manufacturers-top-car-reliability-poll.html

Stevie Dakota

Toyota are proving very reliable, a re-call every month without fail.

Buck Turgidson

I'm with fonecrusher1 on this one.
Toyota (never had one, no connection with 'em) seem to be involved in either Corporate responsibility, or Customer Care, or some other concept alien to many car makers.
Makes me have more respect for them as a company.

snowman707

Plug wrote: »

Fix or repair daily.

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kirving

Toyota are only getting stick from the media because their "Best built cars in the world", clearly arent. :P

squod

Compare anything to a 911 and it comes across as a pox on wheels (reliability wise).

http://www.anusedcar.com/index.php/tuv-model/toyota-corolla

Even if toyotas/hondas/suzukis are reliable I wouldn't want one. That's just personal choice. Whenever I can afford one I'm getting a 159 jtd.

Tea 1000

Matt Simis wrote: »

BMW, a brand, are a halo brand for... other car brands? Thats doesnt even make sense! An entire lineup cannot be called a halo brand, thats completely missing the point of what halo branding is.

Marketing aside!
BMW's recall didnt have an increasing body count, an international corporate cover up or the sheer amount of recalled vehicles the Toyota ones did.
The BMW recall was for hydraulic brake assist failure, not complete failure or "unintended acceleration" as Toyota calls it.

"ultimately may result in leaks that eventually could result in a spongy or soft brake pedal feel and a potential decline in braking performance."
In fairness, it's hardly a big deal this one, but it's cool to bash Toyota these days I suppose.

Matt Simis

Tea 1000 wrote: »

"ultimately may result in leaks that eventually could result in a spongy or soft brake pedal feel and a potential decline in braking performance."
In fairness, it's hardly a big deal this one, but it's cool to bash Toyota these days I suppose.

Im not bashing just noting why no one was making a big wooop about BMW, simply as there were no asscociated fatalities.

Zubeneschamali

squod wrote: »

Compare anything to a 911 and it comes across as a pox on wheels (reliability wise).

Eh, no. Porsche only came 15th out of 32 marques in the What Car reliability survey, and the Boxster is more reliable than the 911.

All the Japanese makes beat Porsche, of course, but even Fords, Skodas, Kias, Citroens and Minis are more reliable than Porsches.

Unlike JD Power, this is not a survey of owner smugness, it's a survey of actual warranty work.

Tea 1000

Matt Simis wrote: »

Im not bashing just noting why no one was making a big wooop about BMW, simply as there were no asscociated fatalities.

And there was none with this Toyota issue either.

squod

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Eh, no. Porsche only came 15th out of 32 marques in the What Car reliability survey, and the Boxster is more reliable than the 911.

All the Japanese makes beat Porsche, of course, but even Fords, Skodas, Kias, Citroens and Minis are more reliable than Porsches.

Unlike JD Power, this is not a survey of owner smugness, it's a survey of actual warranty work.

Fail. They also put Daewoo ahead of most manufacturers. Puts their credibility right down the tubes.

Zubeneschamali

squod wrote: »

Puts their credibility right down the tubes

Translation: contradicts my preconceived notions with actual data

There is, in fact, one possible source of bias in the survey. It's a survey of 3rd party warranty work, and it is possible that the only Porsche owners who take out 3rd party warranties are ones who have already suffered a big hit in the pocket, and that their cars are more lemony than average Porsches, while Daewoo drivers expect their cars to be crap and so even the non-lemony ones get warrantied.

But dismissing the study because it doesn't think "everything is dirt compared to a 911" puts your credibility lower than What Car's.

squod

Any survey that suggest that a Daewoo is reliable is an unreliable survey, fact. If that doesn't sit right with you........... tough.

Zubeneschamali

squod wrote: »

Any survey that suggest that a Daewoo is reliable is an unreliable survey, fact.

And here are some facts I made up earlier...

Matt Simis

Tea 1000 wrote: »

And there was none with this Toyota issue either.

But in recent memory, its like mere months..!

Leonard Hofstadter

Audi third last, tell me why this is not surprising....

Interesting that Skodas are apparently twice as reliable as them though even though Audis cost twice the price.

Fools and their money and all that....

It just shows how reliable Mazdas are though that even with that disaster that is their in house 2.0 diesel, they still managed to come second.

Back on topic, and far be it from me to defend Toyota (and as many of my posts show, I am anything but a Toyota fan), but the constant harping on about Toyota recalls is getting tiresome.

Yes Toyota had their problems last February and they deserved the criticism they got but now it's like any recall they make is being completely blown out of proportion.

BMW had a similar recall and there wasn't anything said about it.

Many makes have recalls and nothing is ever said about it, recalls are a common occurrance with all car manufacturers.

Mr.David

For me the interesting thing in that list is VW.....a reasonable performance and above both ford and opel.

I do agree that the perception of VW quality is nonsense, but I think the pendulum (on here anyway) has swung the other way now and people are too harsh!

Mr.David

Mr.David wrote: »

(on here anyway) has swung the other way now and people are too harsh!

yep, the boards enthusiasts eh