How much for a 07 Audi TT

enfant terrible

Looking at this one in Limerick
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/TT/COUPE-2./201041199827323/advert?channel=CARS

With no trade in what's a reasonable price I could expect to haggle to?

Shane732

€22k tops

enfant terrible

Shane732 wrote: »

€22k tops

Cheers Shane,
Should you just tell the dealer that's as high as you will go or offer lower and try to get him to meet you at 22k?

Geoff845

Shane732 wrote: »

€22k tops

how do you qualify €22 tops?

Nonoperational

I reallt like that model TT. Very hard to say what they'd accept but I'd imagine they'd be very happy to take cash for a car like that and have no trade in to worry about so you would have some room to move alright.

-Chris-

It looks like it's pretty well priced to me - €1k more expensive than the cheapest dealer price which could be easily accounted for by the fact that it's S-Tronic (excellent gearbox).

If you're specifically looking for an auto, it's the cheapest one on Carzone (which could be accounted for by the non-metallic paint and the fairly standard spec).

If you got it for €24k you'd probably be doing ok, if you go in looking for it for €22k I think you'd be wasting your time.

Shane732

enfant terrible wrote: »

Cheers Shane,
Should you just tell the dealer that's as high as you will go or offer lower and try to get him to meet you at 22k?

There's a silver 07 one for sale on carzone for €21,500. Personally that's the price I'd offer the dealer for the one you're looking at. There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of difference between the two, apart from S-Tronic. Then I'd move up to €21,750 and then €22,000.

Get the dealer to come down first before you give him a figure. Hopefully he'll come down to between €23,500 and €24,000 fairly quickly, assuming he didn't get rode on the purchase of the car.

At the end of the day if he only comes down as far as, say, €23,000 or something like that and won't go lower then walk away. You can always go back to him and give him the €23k for it if you're willing to go that high.

It's highly unlikely that a dealer will ever withdraw an offer.

-Chris-

The silver one is manual and a private sale. Did you factor that into your pricing?

Shane732

-Chris- wrote: »

It looks like it's pretty well priced to me - €1k more expensive than the cheapest dealer price which could be easily accounted for by the fact that it's S-Tronic (excellent gearbox).

If you're specifically looking for an auto, it's the cheapest one on Carzone (which could be accounted for by the non-metallic paint and the fairly standard spec).

If you got it for €24k you'd probably be doing ok, if you go in looking for it for €22k I think you'd be wasting your time.

Chris he's a cash buyer though, isn't he? How many people will the dealer have walking in with no trade in offering him €24k cash for it? I'd imagine very few.

Taking into account the hassle the dealer would have to sell whatever someone would be trading in or the hit he's take selling the car to the trade I'd imagine he's got a bit of wiggle room.

Definitely think it's doable for €22k.

canonball5

Shane732 wrote: »

Chris he's a cash buyer though, isn't he? How many people will the dealer have walking in with no trade in offering him €24k cash for it? I'd imagine very few.

Taking into account the hassle the dealer would have to sell whatever someone would be trading in or the hit he's take selling the car to the trade I'd imagine he's got a bit of wiggle room.

Definitely think it's doable for €22k.

I would have to agree,cash in the pocket and all that.I deffo think no more than 22K

Shane732

-Chris- wrote: »

The silver one is manual and a private sale. Did you factor that into your pricing?

I wouldn't be to concerned about the private sale, so no I haven't really taken that into account.

In relation to the S-Tronic - yes I have taken this in. An S-Tronic gearbox is about €1,500 more new on a TT isn't it? On a 07 TT I don't see an auto gearbox being worth more than €500 - 750 extra over a manual. Plus I'd prefer it in a manual

Also isn't the silver metallic whereas the red isn't? So that would swing a couple of quid too.

I'm assuming both cars are the 200bhp version. If this is wrong then maybe my pricing is a little out.

-Chris-

Shane732 wrote: »

Chris he's a cash buyer though, isn't he? How many people will the dealer have walking in with no trade in offering him €24k cash for it? I'd imagine very few.

If the dealer has €1k of negotiation room in the price, they'll knock it off the price for the straight buyer, or they'll add it to the trade in price if they're allowing for a trade in.

Same sums.

Shane732 wrote: »

Taking into account the hassle the dealer would have to sell whatever someone would be trading in or the hit he's take selling the car to the trade I'd imagine he's got a bit of wiggle room.

Straight sale is definitely simpler, but if they price the trade in correctly they'll make money when they sell that too.

Shane732 wrote: »

Definitely think it's doable for €22k.

Who in their right mind would advertise a car €3k over its selling value?

-Chris-

Shane732 wrote: »

I wouldn't be to concerned about the private sale, so no I haven't really taken that into account.

In relation to the S-Tronic - yes I have taken this in. An S-Tronic gearbox is about €1,500 more new on a TT isn't it? On a 07 TT I don't see an auto gearbox being worth more than €500 - 750 extra over a manual. Plus I'd prefer it in a manual

Also isn't the silver metallic whereas the red isn't? So that would swing a couple of quid too.

I'm assuming both cars are the 200bhp version. If this is wrong then maybe my pricing is a little out.

Soooo....

You're not adding any value for the fact that this (out of warranty) car is being sold by a main dealer.
You're allowing €500-750 for an auto gearbox that costs €3k (you can look that up on Audi.ie instead of making up prices - I just did... :P:))
You're not allowing extra value for the auto because you prefer a manual
I've allowed for the non-metallic red in my earlier comment
They're both identical engines, the 1.8T is the lower power engine

I still think your sums are incorrect.

Shane732

-Chris- wrote: »

Who in their right mind would advertise a car €3k over its selling value?

A car dealer.

It's selling value is whatever a prospective purchaser is willing to pay. In this instance you'd be willing to pay €24k and I'd be willing to pay €22k, therefore you'd take the car. However, if you weren't on the scene and there wasn't another offer on the table then the selling value would be €22k. It's the dealers choice as to whether he wants to sell it at €22k or hold on to it in the hope that he gets a better offer.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

-Chris-

@enfant terrible

Can you confirm your max budget and whether automatic is a pre-requisite, and if there are any other spec details that are necessary?

Without that info I reckon we're chasing our tails here...

-Chris-

Shane732 wrote: »

A car dealer.

It's selling value is whatever a prospective purchaser is willing to pay. In this instance you'd be willing to pay €24k and I'd be willing to pay €22k, therefore you'd take the car. However, if you weren't on the scene and there wasn't another offer on the table then the selling value would be €22k. It's the dealers choice as to whether he wants to sell it at €22k or hold on to it in the hope that he gets a better offer.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Here's the competition

I'd consider the 325Ci or the TT we're discussing, I wouldn't choose the Mercs.
The TT seems to be pretty well priced in this company.

Damie

If the OP can wait until January, I'd say it could be got for 20k-21k, especially after the budget!

Shane732

-Chris- wrote: »

You're allowing €500-750 for an auto gearbox that costs €3k (you can look that up on Audi.ie instead of making up prices - I just did... :P:))

You're not allowing extra value for the auto because you prefer a manual

Aren't those two sentences a bit of a contradiction?

I'm allowing €500 - €750 for the auto box.

There's a TT in Park Motors for €23,950 - €1,000 less than the red one.

Only differences I can see are the 17" and S-Tronic.

The 18"'s cost €393 new
The S-Tronic €2,800 new. (I looked at the Audi website!)

The value difference between the wheels is negligible on a 3 year old car. Therefore, based on the asking prices the difference for the S-Tronic is about €1,000. That's €250 of a difference between the higher end of what I was allowing and the €1,000.

Shane732

-Chris- wrote: »

Here's the competition

I'd consider the 325Ci or the TT we're discussing, I wouldn't choose the Mercs.
The TT seems to be pretty well priced in this company.

I'd like to see the Merc CLS 500 AMG Pack for €21,995!!

-Chris-

Shane732 wrote: »

Aren't those two sentences a bit of a contradiction?

I'm allowing €500 - €750 for the auto box.

There's a TT in Park Motors for €23,950 - €1,000 less than the red one.

Only differences I can see are the 17" and S-Tronic.

The 18"'s cost €393 new
The S-Tronic €2,800 new. (I looked at the Audi website!)

The value difference between the wheels is negligible on a 3 year old car. Therefore, based on the asking prices the difference for the S-Tronic is about €1,000. That's €250 of a difference between the higher end of what I was allowing and the €1,000.

So, if you're allowing €750 for the auto (let's take the mid point) and you're saying you'd take the red TT for €22k, can it then be presumed that you'd be happy walking into Park Motors and offering €21,250 for the car they have?

How do you reckon that conversation would go exactly?

-Chris-

Shane732 wrote: »

I'd like to see the Merc CLS 500 AMG Pack for €21,995!!

Me too, looks like it could be a savage car.

If you can afford the running costs it'd certainly be worth looking at .

conneem-TT

Shane732 wrote: »

The 18"'s cost €393 new

They were ~1,500+ when I speced mine in 07 :mad:

And are now standard spec since January (according to the price guide pdf on Audi.ie)

Shane732

conneem-TT wrote: »

They were ~1,500+ when I speced mine in 07 :mad:

And are now standard spec since January (according to the price guide pdf on Audi.ie)

I used the car configuration thingy and it was saying €396. Weird the different prices they have up!

Shane732

-Chris- wrote: »

Me too, looks like it could be a savage car.

If you can afford the running costs it'd certainly be worth looking at .

OP forget about the TT - Chris has just found you something that could be a gem!

The running costs wouldn't bother me if I was getting it for that sort of price!

Shane732

Shane732 wrote: »

assuming he didn't get rode on the purchase of the car.

You'd be 100% correct the dealer didn't "get rode", they're good at that. I reckon he'd refuse €22K for it though, straight sale I would think he won't be accepting less than €23.5 for it. I wouldn't reject out of hand the possibility of some complete and utter f**ktard paying the screen price for it either, there are still plenty of folk out there with plenty of cash and also plenty of others who would have little difficulty getting finance for it.

Also not reckoning that folks will throw more at a dealer than a private seller for a car like this is sheer looney, 95% of people buying TTs (or similar) for 20 odd grand wouldn't consider a private sale as an option.

galwaytt

-Chris- wrote: »

Here's the competition

The TT seems to be pretty well priced in this company.

Well, for me, the colour is a +. There are too many 'grey' cars in the country already !!
The auto box is another + for me as well.

The only fly in the ointment for me, in a car of that class, is the lack of leather. It should be some sort of criminal offence to deliver cars like that without leather as standard !

But, faced with the choice of the right colour car, right box, wrong interior, or wrong colour, right box, right interior...........mmmmmmmmm:cool:

You could wrap it, I suppose......

conneem-TT

galwaytt wrote: »

Well, for me, the colour is a +. There are too many 'grey' cars in the country already !!
The auto box is another + for me as well.

The only fly in the ointment for me, in a car of that class, is the lack of leather. It should be some sort of criminal offence to deliver cars like that without leather as standard !

But, faced with the choice of the right colour car, right box, wrong interior, or wrong colour, right box, right interior...........mmmmmmmmm:cool:

You could wrap it, I suppose......

They are pretty tasty in red if kept well.

It is actually half leather half alcantara and looks quite good in real life actually, very sporting. One thing that really adds to the interior of these though is the extended leather pack that gives leather door panels, handbrake + mini armrest ect., shame it doesn't have it.

-Chris-

It's missing a few things imho.

It seems to have the extended aluminium pack, which is good, as well as Cruise Control.


If I was choosing my own spec, in this car I'm missing factory bluetooth, possibly full leather, iPod connection, leather package, and maybe a different set of alloys.
I could live without a lot of that, but the colour is the key thing for me - it's love-it-or-hate-it imho.

2hellr2conaght

Shane732 wrote: »

€22k tops

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1612015 hehe:cool:

-Chris-

2hellr2conaght wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1612015 hehe:cool:

I think it's probably out of budget, and I hope they did a hell of a lot of work to the chassis, the old TT wasn't good enough from a handling perspective.

galwaytt

2hellr2conaght wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1612015 hehe:cool:

Sweet god - that belongs in the 'dreamer' thread...........I like the yellow, but it'd take me 2 days to strip the Halford's off it.......!

And the price ? My boss sold a 00 270bhp tuned one a few weeks ago for 6800, and he was lucky to get it. Them Poles know a bargain when they see one !

x in the city

22k would easily get that TT in todays, a car saleman would want a sizable hole in his head and be short of some grey matter to say no

-Chris-

Any idea how much the car is standing them?

enfant terrible

-Chris- wrote: »

@enfant terrible

Can you confirm your max budget and whether automatic is a pre-requisite, and if there are any other spec details that are necessary?

Without that info I reckon we're chasing our tails here...

Sorry for the delay Chris.

I think around 22.5k would be my max budget, automatic not a pre-requisite.

Thanks to everyone for their advice.

-Chris-

You should probably look at some manual cars too then, I don't think you'll get the red car within your budget (although there's no harm in asking).

enfant terrible

Damie wrote: »

If the OP can wait until January, I'd say it could be got for 20k-21k, especially after the budget!

Why do you think that Damie?

Would wait till January if true.

galwaytt

enfant terrible wrote: »

Why do you think that Damie?

Would wait till January if true.

False economy. If the car you want is in front of you, there's no guarantee it will be, come January....

...the much lower volume of cars being sold since 08 too means that the supply of used cars that meet your requirements may well decrease, not increase, into the future: if people don't buy 'em new, you can't buy 'em secondhand ! Goes for all car's, btw.........

Shane732

2hellr2conaght wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1612015 hehe:cool:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Ferrari/599-GTB-Fiorano/HGTE/201013197473317/advert?channel=CARS hehe :cool:

Ehh.... what's your point there lad?

-Chris-

enfant terrible wrote: »

Why do you think that Damie?

Would wait till January if true.

The principle is that cars are continuously depreciating and will be worth less after the turn of the year.
It's a bit of a fallacy imho as the same logic would imply that if you wait until Jan 2012 to buy the car you'll save 6-7k.

Of course, the reality is that instead of waiting a year until this car is a year older, you should instead be looking now for '06 TTs instead of '07.
The other reality is that this car may be available for a cheaper price in January, but it also may be sold at the weekend.

If it's a car you're vaguely interested in, you can sit back and keep an eye on it and see if the price drops. If it's a car you really want, you should buy it before someone else gets to it.

2hellr2conaght

Shane732 wrote: »

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Ferrari/599-GTB-Fiorano/HGTE/201013197473317/advert?channel=CARS hehe :cool:

Ehh.... what's your point there lad?

My point is that maybe the TT is over priced just like the one I posted. Or it could be a bargain based on what I posted.

-Chris-

"What advantages does this motor car have over, say, a train -- which I could also afford?"

Damie

-Chris- wrote: »

The principle is that cars are continuously depreciating and will be worth less after the turn of the year.
It's a bit of a fallacy imho as the same logic would imply that if you wait until Jan 2012 to buy the car you'll save 6-7k.

Of course, the reality is that instead of waiting a year until this car is a year older, you should instead be looking now for '06 TTs instead of '07.
The other reality is that this car may be available for a cheaper price in January, but it also may be sold at the weekend.

If it's a car you're vaguely interested in, you can sit back and keep an eye on it and see if the price drops. If it's a car you really want, you should buy it before someone else gets to it.

To wait or not to wait....tis the question

Look at it this way:

Economy still fecked - not recovering as predicted, unemployment rising, costs rising, disposable cash at an all time low
Monster Budget due in 7 weeks or so - cutbacks, rise in tax, rise in fuel cost, rise in motortax(prob)-pre 08's
Couple of months and the car is 4 years old, not 3, huge bargaining power regardless whats said

I would be more than suprised if there are loads out there with 24k ready to buy that particular TT, imo time is on your side if you want it

Come January, sales have to be made, targets have to be met. You have the huge advantage here, I think it would be a brave salesman to say No to someone with 21 or 22k, they'll break your wrist taking it!

If I was in your shoes, come January, I'd walk in with 20k, throw it on the table and either walk out with the keys or your cash:)

I'm sure this post will be shot down, left right and centre but its my tuppance worth...

Best of luck with whatever you decide

2hellr2conaght

-Chris- wrote: »

"What advantages does this motor car have over, say, a train -- which I could also afford?"

You can't park a train on Clarendon st. while you run into BROWN THOMAS and collect your Gucci handbag ''which you could also afford''. That would be the most obivous advantage of a car Chris.

-Chris-

It's a Homer Simpson quote, used in jest to illustrate a point. That's all...

2hellr2conaght

Well would the UK be an option? Any idea of the VRT on this.........
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201040370004800/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-age/up_to_3_years_old/transmission/automatic/engine-size-cars/2l_to_2-5l/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/colour/red/model/tt/make/audi/postcode/ha71nt/radius/1501/page/1?logcode=p

2hellr2conaght

Damie wrote: »

To wait or not to wait....tis the question

Look at it this way:

Economy still fecked - not recovering as predicted, unemployment rising, costs rising, disposable cash at an all time low
Monster Budget due in 7 weeks or so - cutbacks, rise in tax, rise in fuel cost, rise in motortax(prob)-pre 08's
Couple of months and the car is 4 years old, not 3, huge bargaining power regardless whats said.

NO I AGREE DAMIE. THE CAR WILL STILL BE THERE. ONLY A 'brave' man would buy a car now.

-Chris-

2hellr2conaght wrote: »

Well would the UK be an option? Any idea of the VRT on this.........
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201040370004800/sort/priceasc/usedcars/maximum-age/up_to_3_years_old/transmission/automatic/engine-size-cars/2l_to_2-5l/maximum-mileage/up_to_60000_miles/colour/red/model/tt/make/audi/postcode/ha71nt/radius/1501/page/1?logcode=p

I'm not sure if that's a metallic red (pretty definite it's not), it says it's Leather Upholstery whereas it's actually the standard Leather/Alcantara seat covering, also I don't *think* those are OEM alloys - so you'd want to check all their other descriptions too.

Sports suspension would turn me off - it's not necessary for a TT in ROI and probably will make it very uncomfortable along with the 18" alloys and sports seats.

I'd be surprised if this wasn't given an OMV of €26k or so, so you'd be looking at up to €7k for VRT.

conneem-TT

-Chris- wrote: »

I'm not sure if that's a metallic red (pretty definite it's not), it says it's Leather Upholstery whereas it's actually the standard Leather/Alcantara seat covering, also I don't *think* those are OEM alloys - so you'd want to check all their other descriptions too.

Sports suspension would turn me off - it's not necessary for a TT in ROI and probably will make it very uncomfortable along with the 18" alloys and sports seats.

I'd be surprised if this wasn't given an OMV of €26k or so, so you'd be looking at up to €7k for VRT.

Yeah not much pont importing a TT from the UK, good lowish mileage examples seem to be holding 60%+ value after 3 years and cost nearly as much without adding VRT on as you might get one here

On red UK one above, they are oem 18" wheels, they were the standard wheels on the 3.2 and the cheapest 18" upgrade option for the 2.0T. Doesn't have sport's suspension by the looks of it either but alot of Irish ads say sports suspension also, just as a standard ad filler. Doesn't have that much extra spec really, 18" and Stronic is it as the aluminium pack and little arm rest on the handbrake were standard in the UK