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UPC HD any good?

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  • 15-10-2010 11:12am
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    Registered Users Posts: 20,089 ✭✭✭✭


    Folks,

    im half tempted to cancel my sky sports sub, for 33 a month we hardly get any use from it. looking at the upc website, we can get the HD+ pack with ESPN and save about 25 a month (we currently have digital plus with the recording box).

    Is the UPC HD offering worth getting? is the DVR box any better, or worse, than the normal DVR box?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭lar77


    The HD box is better than the normal one in that standard def looks a bit better as it all goes over HDMI (not sure if it's upscaled).

    Real lack of HD channels on UPC though ...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭kmick


    Dont do it Cyrus. UPC box is a shadow of the sky one. There are hardly any channels that are HD and they have no agreement with Sky on the HD Movies or HD Sports even if you wanted them. The user interface is pants and their version of series link is very flaky so you go to watch the IT crowd on a Saturday and its not there. If the sky box is a 7/10 UPC is more like 3/10. To be fair UPC do have 30Mb broadband though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,030 ✭✭✭angel01


    You get better quality from the HD box because the SD channels look better with the HD box.

    I believe UPC are getting more HD channels soon and they will get more and more HD channels with time. UPC say they may have movies and sport on HD from January, so bear that in mind. I have had no issues with it at all. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,089 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    kmick wrote: »
    Dont do it Cyrus. UPC box is a shadow of the sky one. There are hardly any channels that are HD and they have no agreement with Sky on the HD Movies or HD Sports even if you wanted them. The user interface is pants and their version of series link is very flaky so you go to watch the IT crowd on a Saturday and its not there. If the sky box is a 7/10 UPC is more like 3/10. To be fair UPC do have 30Mb broadband though.

    you may have musinderstood me, i have ordinary upc digital as it is :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    angel01 wrote: »
    You get better quality from the HD box because the SD channels look better with the HD box.

    I believe UPC are getting more HD channels soon and they will get more and more HD channels with time. UPC say they may have movies and sport on HD from January, so bear that in mind. I have had no issues with it at all. :)

    I will believe when I see it - as a matter of interest where did you get that nugget of information about movies and sports.....of course they could be referring to Film 4 HD and Setanta HD.

    I don't expect to see any Sky HD channels on UPC anytime soon.

    As for SD looking better on HD - ????

    Btw - check you can get HD in your area - its not as widely available as you might think


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    angel01 wrote: »
    You get better quality from the HD box because the SD channels look better with the HD box.

    I believe UPC are getting more HD channels soon and they will get more and more HD channels with time. UPC say they may have movies and sport on HD from January, so bear that in mind. I have had no issues with it at all. :)

    Do NOT pin your hopes on this happening; theyve been lying to people about the Sky HD channels for some time now. When I signed up in April I was told they would definately have Sky Sports HD in time for the new PL season... :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,030 ✭✭✭angel01


    Infoanon wrote: »
    I will believe when I see it - as a matter of interest where did you get that nugget of information about movies and sports.....of course they could be referring to Film 4 HD and Setanta HD.

    I don't expect to see any Sky HD channels on UPC anytime soon.

    As for SD looking better on HD - ????

    Btw - check you can get HD in your area - its not as widely available as you might think

    They told me it would be SS HD and Movies.

    SD does look better on HD because they are upscaled.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭dunworth1


    angel01 wrote: »

    SD does look better on HD because they are upscaled.

    and because the connection to the tv is fully digital not digital converted to analog like before


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    dunworth1 wrote: »
    and because the connection to the tv is fully digital not digital converted to analog like before

    Didn't really see any difference between the picture quality - having watched HD personally its only sports that look better - but everyone has their own views on the subject.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    angel01 wrote: »
    SD does look better on HD because they are upscaled.

    If by this you mean the SD channels are upscaled to HD on the HD box, theyre not. On my box they still broadcast in 576i and the quality is still low on an LCD TV. There may be a very marginal improvement in picture quality from using HDMI over Scart, but I have a stanard digital box and a HD box and the SD channels look exactly the same (ie poor quality) on both.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,030 ✭✭✭angel01


    djimi wrote: »
    If by this you mean the SD channels are upscaled to HD on the HD box, theyre not. On my box they still broadcast in 576i and the quality is still low on an LCD TV. There may be a very marginal improvement in picture quality from using HDMI over Scart, but I have a stanard digital box and a HD box and the SD channels look exactly the same (ie poor quality) on both.

    In your opinion, they aren't. In my view they are :) Everything to me looks better with the HD box :) Why do you have UPC if you seem to dislike it so much?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    angel01 wrote: »
    In your opinion, they aren't. In my view they are :) Everything to me looks better with the HD box :) Why do you have UPC if you seem to dislike it so much?

    I dont have a choice unfortunately; I live in an apartment that doesnt allow dishes to be put up.

    If the SD channels were upscaled they would display on your TV in 720p/1080i, just as a DVD does when played thru a PS3 for example. You may think the quality is better, that is in the eye of the beholder, and the HDMI connection may improve the quality slightly over the scart connection on the regular digital box, but the resolution in which the SD channels broadcast is the same on both the standard digital and HD digital boxes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,030 ✭✭✭angel01


    djimi wrote: »
    I dont have a choice unfortunately; I live in an apartment that doesnt allow dishes to be put up.

    If the SD channels were upscaled they would display on your TV in 720p/1080i, just as a DVD does when played thru a PS3 for example. You may think the quality is better, that is in the eye of the beholder, and the HDMI connection may improve the quality slightly over the scart connection on the regular digital box, but the resolution in which the SD channels broadcast is the same on both the standard digital and HD digital boxes.

    Fair enough but I am really happy with UPC, I wouldn't go with anyone else and I have the choice. I find the quality much better and have no issues at all.

    I had a non digital box before and the quality was poor, got in a HD box and happy as Larry now :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭ActingDanClark


    also worth considering is that sky propose providing phone and broadband


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,030 ✭✭✭angel01


    damian139 wrote: »
    also worth considering is that sky propose providing phone and broadband

    Are Sky interested in doing the above because UPC offer TV, phone and broadband.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Currently the UPC HD pack is severly limited, only nine channels - BBC HD, ESPN, Eurosport, Crime and Invesigation, National Geographic, History, Nat Geo Wild, Discovery, and Biography.

    So nine channels, six of which are documentary channels. If you like documentaries by all means go for it, but I simply wouldn't pay the extra money until (and if there is ever) content from BSkyB on it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    damian139 wrote: »
    also worth considering is that sky propose providing phone and broadband
    Over Eircom lines........:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭brian076


    kmick wrote: »
    Dont do it Cyrus. UPC box is a shadow of the sky one. There are hardly any channels that are HD and they have no agreement with Sky on the HD Movies or HD Sports even if you wanted them. The user interface is pants and their version of series link is very flaky so you go to watch the IT crowd on a Saturday and its not there. If the sky box is a 7/10 UPC is more like 3/10. To be fair UPC do have 30Mb broadband though.

    Couldn't agree more. Just switched from Sky to UPC, worst decision ever, but I think you're being generous giving the UPC box 3/10


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    kmick wrote: »
    Dont do it Cyrus. UPC box is a shadow of the sky one. There are hardly any channels that are HD and they have no agreement with Sky on the HD Movies or HD Sports even if you wanted them. The user interface is pants and their version of series link is very flaky so you go to watch the IT crowd on a Saturday and its not there. If the sky box is a 7/10 UPC is more like 3/10. To be fair UPC do have 30Mb broadband though.

    Just to be fair to UPC their TV and broadband should be seperated from each other when talking about TV service; while Im not a fan of their TV and feel it lags well behind Sky, their broadband service is by a country mile the best in the country, and puts the rest of them to shame quite frankly. When it comes to internet in Ireland, there is only one serious provider, and that is UPC. The rest are just living in the stone age.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39 danIrl


    As stated earlier, I think the best thing about UPC is bundling TV, phone and broadband. I have the HD box with just the basic package, so just BBC-HD.

    I know everyone has different perceptions about picture quality, but there is no doubting that the picture will be better when receiving a digital signal and sending a digital signal to a digital TV. Why the standard digital box does not have a HDMI output is daft... but I primarily upgraded mine to get the HDMI output and not the extra HD channel. Difference was a far superior picture for the SD channels.

    Unlike others, the box works fine for me apart from the known problem with the signal sync problem between the box and TVs that has been documented already on this forum. It does not happen always, but maybe every 3 or 4th time.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Didn't UPC say some months ago that they'd be adding more HD channels in November?

    Anyone heard an update on this? The choice at the moment is quite pathetic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Didn't UPC say some months ago that they'd be adding more HD channels in November?

    Anyone heard an update on this? The choice at the moment is quite pathetic.

    At a minimum you would expect the BBC 1 HD channel to be added, Setanta HD is due but after that.....MGM HD / MTV HD / CNN HD are the only ones that spring to mind as not being tied to Sky though MGM has an exclusive carriage deal with Sky afaik.

    Chances of any Sky HD channels becoming available seem remote, while RTEs proposed HD channels may be DTT exclusive when they launch - IF they ever launch but thats for another forum


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Infoanon wrote: »
    At a minimum you would expect the BBC 1 HD channel to be added, Setanta HD is due but after that.....MGM HD / MTV HD / CNN HD are the only ones that spring to mind as not being tied to Sky though MGM has an exclusive carriage deal with Sky afaik.

    There's an MGM Channel on UPC, though it seems to be completely seperately programmed from the MGM HD channel on Sky. Even the logos are different (though of course they share the MGM name and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer lion). Rather odd.

    They share a website, www.mgmchannel.com, so are obviously run by the same crowd, but confusingly if you live in Ireland, you have to go to "United Kingdom" for the Sky version - going to Ireland gives you the UPC version only!

    Given Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer's financial difficulties, I'd wonder how longer either channel will survive, given the UPC version at any rate does not take advertising!

    As for UPC HD, content is king and right now UPC doesn't have it. As per my earlier post, 9 channels, 6 of which are documentaries. Documentaries don't sell pay-TV. They're nice to have, but I don't know anyone that subscribes to pay-TV for them. In this market, two things sell pay TV - access to the UK terrestrials (and UPC only has one of them despite UTV HD having launched recently and Channel 4 HD being around for a while). And more importantly, in the context of HD - Sky Sports. Until UPC has them, it won't generate massive take up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭An Tarbh


    I'm not even sure if we'll get BBC1HD when it launches next week, we haven't got UTVHD or Channel 4HD as has already been said, no sign of E4 or Film 4 in HD either and I don't get why we don't have ESPN America HD either.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,622 ✭✭✭✭okidoki987


    worth considering is that sky propose providing phone and broadband

    When is this happening as the last time I asked Sky, they said they had no plans for it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 856 ✭✭✭rebeve


    djimi wrote: »
    Just to be fair to UPC their TV and broadband should be seperated from each other when talking about TV service; while Im not a fan of their TV and feel it lags well behind Sky, their broadband service is by a country mile the best in the country, and puts the rest of them to shame quite frankly. When it comes to internet in Ireland, there is only one serious provider, and that is UPC. The rest are just living in the stone age.
    +1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 42 Frank2k


    icdg wrote: »
    Currently the UPC HD pack is severly limited, only nine channels - BBC HD, ESPN, Eurosport, Crime and Invesigation, National Geographic, History, Nat Geo Wild, Discovery, and Biography.

    More like 8 as Bio HD share transponder space with C&I HD even though they (i.e. UPC) try and make it look like they are two separate channels (ch 223 and 225).

    Anyway, my parents got a questionnaire from Sky where it clearly came across that they are interested in starting phone and BB in Ireland as well. Also there were hints i the questions that HD may become free for premium subscribers just like Sky+ was some time back before it became available to all Sky Subscribers. So, it could be they are interested in getting Anytime+ rolled out here in the republic as well which would kick UPC back a few years on the development ladder - again :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    Frank2k wrote: »
    More like 8 as Bio HD share transponder space with C&I HD even though they (i.e. UPC) try and make it look like they are two separate channels (ch 223 and 225).

    Anyway, my parents got a questionnaire from Sky where it clearly came across that they are interested in starting phone and BB in Ireland as well. Also there were hints i the questions that HD may become free for premium subscribers just like Sky+ was some time back before it became available to all Sky Subscribers. So, it could be they are interested in getting Anytime+ rolled out here in the republic as well which would kick UPC back a few years on the development ladder - again :D

    If Sky plan on using Eircom lines I do not think UPC will be too worried.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 42 Frank2k


    Ranicand wrote: »
    If Sky plan on using Eircom lines I do not think UPC will be too worried.

    Agree, but it could be that Sky is planning a shopping round in Ireland and there has been some shift in ownership with ISP's - some more successful than others.

    Besides, I think that Sky's BB is mainly a secondary service to back up their VOD the unbeatable Anytime+; but what is strange is that UPC haven't developed it at all as they (apparently) have the infrastructure to do so with ease(?). Again this just shows how incompetent UPC and slow UPC are. They are making enough money to fund R&D but for some reason they don't care as long as naive people continue to throw money at them (me included) :(

    If I could, I would have Sky any day as all their TV service is unbeatable by far!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 42 Frank2k


    djimi wrote: »
    Just to be fair to UPC their TV and broadband should be seperated from each other when talking about TV service; while Im not a fan of their TV and feel it lags well behind Sky, their broadband service is by a country mile the best in the country, and puts the rest of them to shame quite frankly. When it comes to internet in Ireland, there is only one serious provider, and that is UPC. The rest are just living in the stone age.

    Only problem is that their BB doesn't even reach half of their potential subscribers... :mad:


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