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Farmers protest against fox-hunting

  • 13-10-2010 2:54pm
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    Mods - Not sure if this is for Press Cuttings or for debate/comment....

    Farmers protest against fox-hunting

    Wed, Oct 13, 2010
    Farmers will be represented at a protest against foxhunting outside the Department of Agriculture today, where they will call upon the Government to introduce a total ban on the activity.
    The Farmers Against Foxhunting and Trespass group said they wanted to voice their “continued objections to the destructive impact of this activity on the property and livelihoods of farmers nationwide”.
    It said it supported Minister for the Environment John Gormley in his decision to ban stag hunting and it urged the Government to include a total ban on foxhunting in the new Animal Health and Welfare Bill, which is due before the Dáil shortly.
    “We maintain that foxhunters seek to keep themselves in business...and land...at someone else’s expense- namely the farmer,” the group said. “The hunts demand and expect that farmers should supply free of charge to them the most expensive part of their destructive pastime.”
    It said the “so-called hunting fraternity” was composed of “vandals, law-breakers, and serial trespassers”.
    “Foxhunters have no respect for farmers...for their land, crops, or livelihoods. They have trampled on our rights, land, and on the dignity of farmers, for decades.”
    The organisation said if hunters obstructed a street or gateway in a city or a large town in pursuit of their pastime, they would be clamped or face fines. “Yet they break every law in the book across the length and breadth of rural Ireland.”
    It said no farmer wished to have his land poached, his fences knocked down and destroyed, and barbed wire cut.
    Hunting also resulted in crops being trampled, livestock “terrified and injured” and created the risk of a spread of disease. In addition, farmers were “ridiculed and abused” by members of hunts on farms and country roads.
    It said the “vast majority” of farmers did not want hunts on their land. “We want our constitutional rights as landowners and farmers respected and implemented by law.”
    The group said that if hunters switched to drag hunting, the farmers’ protest would end. Drag hunting avoided trespass on other farms and confined hunters to farms where they were allowed to hunt by written consent along a pre-determined route.
    © 2010 irishtimes.com


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Hmmm - I wonder who is really behind this:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭DavyDee


    Quite a one sided view as expected! Little do they know the combined damage of every hunt in the country pales into insignificance what their buddy done by "setting free" the mink from the farm in Donegal this year! If they want to talk about destruction to farmer lively hoods why dont they hold a protest about this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    nonsense. hunting in all its forms wouldnt exist if farmers didnt support it.
    all the land i hunt is given to me by famers that not only support hunting but are glad to see it on their land, i hunt on foot though not horse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    I think most farmers appreciate that hunters are a valuable tool in the cost effective, eco-friendly removal of vermin:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    the ifa supports hunting it also supported the rise campaign etc... this group is tiny and its basiclly a front for bernie wrights crowd to portray that all farmers are anti hunting. i dont know any anti hunting farmers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭session savage


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    I think most farmers appreciate that hunters are a valuable tool in the cost effective, eco-friendly removal of vermin:)

    Agreed... unless of course you mean hunting foxes on horseback with hounds. I reckon one man with a .223 is a thousand times more eco friendly than 50 guys on horseback. :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    Every year the hunt crosses my fathers land, they all wave and are very friendly and thankful.
    They ask a week before the hunt so we can have the cattle in a small field where they don't get too excited.
    The hunt only crosses land with permission so I have no idea what the article is about??

    I do not have any links to the hunting community however live and let live I say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭tfox


    As Tack said Hunts do not cross your land without permission. I am very involved in my local hunt and know all the hard work that goes on behind the scenes going round before a meet asking can the hunt the farmers land, in some cases helping the farmer that morning move stock in off the fields, following straight behind the hunt repairing any hedges, fences, walls etc. Hunts do not survive without landowners and my hunt throws big pig roast and open bar nite every year to show there appreciation for their support !! It's very important that as shooters we dont distance ourselves from the mounted hunts as they are the thin edge of the wedge and us shooters will be next !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭No6


    tfox wrote: »
    It's very important that as shooters we dont distance ourselves from the mounted hunts as they are the thin edge of the wedge and us shooters will be next !!
    followed by fishermen then farmers, shocking cruel keeping cows in captivity!!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭flutered


    one question for you guys, what in the hell do these people use for money.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭tfox


    No6 wrote: »
    followed by fishermen then farmers, shocking cruel keeping cows in captivity!!!:D

    If it wasnt true it would be ridiculously funny !! Horse/greyhound racing is cruel, intensive farming, dog breeding etc. !! They have one f***ed up agenda !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭andrew cross


    the gun club im in has the support of all the landowners, i think i smell a green two legged rats behind this :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    The future !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Feargal as Luimneach


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Hmmm - I wonder who is really behind this:confused:
    Farmers whose lands are being trespassed on!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Feargal as Luimneach


    Agreed... unless of course you mean hunting foxes on horseback with hounds. I reckon one man with a .223 is a thousand times more eco friendly than 50 guys on horseback. :cool:
    X2 One fella and he's rifle will take out aalot more foxes.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭arrowloopboy


    tfox wrote: »
    As Tack said Hunts do not cross your land without permission. I am very involved in my local hunt and know all the hard work that goes on behind the scenes going round before a meet asking can the hunt the farmers land, in some cases helping the farmer that morning move stock in off the fields, following straight behind the hunt repairing any hedges, fences, walls etc. Hunts do not survive without landowners and my hunt throws big pig roast and open bar nite every year to show there appreciation for their support !! It's very important that as shooters we dont distance ourselves from the mounted hunts as they are the thin edge of the wedge and us shooters will be next !!

    That sounds like a well run hunt,but as a land owner and a shooter,in my own experiences ,its not repersentative of what goes on with all hunts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭slippy wicket


    the ifa supports hunting it also supported the rise campaign etc... this group is tiny and its basiclly a front for bernie wrights crowd to portray that all farmers are anti hunting. i dont know any anti hunting farmers.

    Some of this crowd were on the Frontline programme at the time of the hunting debates. They came across as at best deluded, and at most on the deranged side of things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭palo


    The first line said it all, Farmers will be represented at a protest outside the Dept of Agriculture. Bull if farmers wanted to protest they would protest themselves and represent themselves. If I was in Dublin today I would have gone to Kildare St. myself to see who this lot were. A few clowns out and about on a busy working day with not much else to be doing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭tac foley


    It's time, gentlemen.

    'If we don't hang together, then we will most assuredly all hang separately.' Benjamin Franklin.

    It happened over here a few years ago.

    All the different parties had their separate little axes to grind, and the result was that all had their little heads chopped off by the big norty gubmint...

    When fox-hunting was banned here in UK, our little village lost a sadler whose family had been there since the late 1700's, a livery stable that went with the local coaching inn from about 1810, a long-established 'riding for the disabled' stables where my daughter had gotten used to horses, and a LOT of business in the local pub.

    tac


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭snipe02


    X2 One fella and he's rifle will take out aalot more foxes.....
    hunting is hunting in all its forms we are all sportsmen and all equal. safety in numbers thats what i say


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,134 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Hmmm - I wonder who is really behind this:confused:

    Another terminal looper from around the Kilkenny area.Google Farmers against foxhunting.[FAFH] Apprently this boyo is another farmer,and I would say it is more a case of not getting "Kish" or somthing out of it than the cruelty issue.Of course ICABS and Co adapted him as a poster boy for the anti hunting farmers.:rolleyes:

    In fairness to some points made here,I have had trouble with hunts as well.Not established hunts ,but the farmers hunts or unorganised hunts.
    We rent our land and have done so for many years,our newest tenant farmer was approached by the farmer hunt and asked if they could run the hunt over our land..The people involved would damn well know who owns the land and where to find me..The tenant farmer told me about it,and IF the ground had been in better condition after a very wet Winter,i'd have had no bother with it.Live and let live...However as it was not in good condition I told them sorry..no deal for that year,not to mind I wasnt too happy about public liability and damage repair in the aftermath.
    They got back onto the TF and told him he had the final say,and to let them thru it would be no bother..He told me about this and I told him to tell them that if they were going to be underhanded about it they could stay off for good!
    It is that kind of tactics and blaggarding that WILL get established fox hunting packs into trouble.A swift clean up of unorganised hunts and packs attitudes to other peoples property and access might be in order.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭cavan shooter


    There are farmers who dont like the hunt to cross their land, end of story but have no objections to shooting/hunting.

    It will all depend on the
    a. The hunt
    b. The farmer

    There is a farmer I know and you really need to ask him every year is it ok to take a shot, once you know the characters you can work with them or around them.

    There is also another Farmer I know who doesnt like you to shoot foxes, mags, greys pheasant duck but leave the fox alone.

    The key to the FAFT brigade is trespass, If you only hunt/shoot where you have permission then their argument is gone.

    see below a very funny rant
    http://www.indymedia.ie/article/95180

    The downside is tell a fox and a hound not to go into that field because Mr. Roger doesnt want you to Hunt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,114 ✭✭✭doctor evil


    Does anyone know how many turned up? I wonder what real farmers think of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Don't know anything about this current lot. I do remember that Frontline programme though. With permission I see no problems, but if lads were to cut my fence and tramp across the land through the sheep without so much as a by your leave. They'd be escorted from the premises with all due haste.

    But as has been said, it all hinges on the permission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭maglite


    I'm going to take this opportunity to ask, without bias,

    People say they ask permission to hunt across lands however, people follow horse, horse> Dog, Dog>fox... Now has anyone been in touch with the fox about where he can run or how is this worked out in advance?
    Or do ye just ride around and try and cut him off, I never was able to figure that out...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭tfox


    snipe02 wrote: »
    hunting is hunting in all its forms we are all sportsmen and all equal. safety in numbers thats what i say

    Thank you snipe02 ! I know that one man with a lamp and a rifle will account for more foxes than a mounted hunt, one of our own masters shoots more thean 4 times what they kill in a seasons hunting !! I know that for some of you hunting may not be your cup of tea, but we are all blood sports enthusiasts be it shooting, coursing. ferreting, falconry, hunting, and as such we all need to stand together and fight those that wish to remove us of our sport. As has been said many times before, hunting is the thin edge of the wedge and if it is banned all our sports are on a slippery slope. I know that some hunts don't do themselves any favour with an attitude that they can go where they want and this needs to be addressed or they will lose the support of the farmers, without which they will have no sport !! It really makes my blood boil to see shooting folk turn there back when the hunting community is under threat and I hope everyone will stand together and fight these p***** that want to tell us what we can or cannot do !!Rant over !!Thomas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭tfox


    maglite wrote: »
    I'm going to take this opportunity to ask, without bias,

    People say they ask permission to hunt across lands however, people follow horse, horse> Dog, Dog>fox... Now has anyone been in touch with the fox about where he can run or how is this worked out in advance?
    Or do ye just ride around and try and cut him off, I never was able to figure that out...

    That depends on the landowner. Some will let the hunt cross the land but not hunt it, others will let the huntsman and hounds hunt it but do not want the field to cross there land (especially when the ground is wet), some places will oinly allow hounds and hunt staff in on foot. As you said hounds follow the fox and there is no control as to where the fox will go. If the fos enters land they do not have permission to cross the huntsman will call up the hounds, move round the ground and try and pick up the scent the far side! Most landowners are really put off by the damage a field of horses will do to soft ground than the act of hunting a fox with hounds !! I know with my own hunt I was personally involved in the repair of damage caused by the field, fencing straight after the hunt ( often into the night ) building hunt fences so as to minimise damage done to hedges and fences, and digging out ditches, rolling and harrowing in extreme cases of poaching !! Most hunts will do a lot to keep farmers sweet :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭round tower huntsman


    i hunt on foot so i dont have the worry of horses doing damage. if im honest it has happened on occasion that i'd end up on land where i dont know the farmer. i've never had any bad run ins. i'd just tell em i was hunting fox on joe blogs place and he brought us on a big run over to here etc.....never once had a problem, in fact i usually end up with more permission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭BryanL


    At the end of the day most farmers are reasonable and so are most hunting people.

    It often amazes me just how accomodating farmers can be, after all it's there work place and only our recreation place by virtue of their goodwill.

    I think the tiny amount of conflict that can happen is a credit to everyone involved.
    Bryan


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