Stableford system, question?

aster99

if i had 37 points and standard scratch was 36 i would be cut.

But if included in the score was a scratch (a 7 on a par 4 with a shot) is this adjusted to a 6 in gross terms. what effect has this on cuts or 0.1's back. Just trying to figure this out

deko43

Your scratched hole will have no effect. If you beat SS by one shot in a stableford comp you will be cut by one chunk ( 0.2 , 0.3 , 0.4 depending
on your h/cap range).

I think scratched holes are taken into account when you put in 3 cards to apply for a handicap but not thereafter.

aster99

ya thats what i was wondering, i knew in terms of calculating a handicap that anything above double bogey is adjusted. couldn't figure out if the same thing was applied in any way to competition scoring

PhilipMarlowe

When calculating a handicap for someone who doesn't have one yet, anything over a double bogey is reduced down to a double bogey to give a clearer picture of the persons ability.

When you have a handicap, anything over a NETT double bogey is reduced down to become a nett double bogey. This is basically what stableford is, anything more that the amount of shots on a hole that scores you 0 points (a scratch) is ignored.
In Strokeplay, if you take 10 shots at a par 3 that you receive 1 stroke at, your gross score is adjusted down to a 6 which is a nett double bogey for that hole for you. In competition terms, the 10 counts as to your placing in the competition but in handicap terms the adjusted score is what matters.
Basically to cut a long story short, for EVERY competition, your handicap is adjusted based on your stableford score.

Unglika Norse

Licksy wrote: »

When calculating a handicap for someone who doesn't have one yet, anything over a double bogey is reduced down to a double bogey to give a clearer picture of the persons ability.

When you have a handicap, anything over a NETT double bogey is reduced down to become a nett double bogey. This is basically what stableford is, anything more that the amount of shots on a hole that scores you 0 points (a scratch) is ignored.
In Strokeplay, if you take 10 shots at a par 3 that you receive 1 stroke at, your gross score is adjusted down to a 6 which is a nett double bogey for that hole for you. In competition terms, the 10 counts as to your placing in the competition but in handicap terms the adjusted score is what matters.
Basically to cut a long story short, for EVERY competition, your handicap is adjusted based on your stableford score.

Now sometime I'll have to go and check this out because I know Licksy is almost always right, but I think everything is adjusted to a strokeplay basis in other words your stableford score is converted to a gross stroke differential and then a nett stroke differential.

Russman

I'm fairly sure a scratched hole in a stableford competition has no effect, its only in a strokeplay competition that, say, an 8 on a hole, is taken back to a double bogey. So there could be a situation where you equal standard scratch in strokeplay (so in theory don't get cut) with an 8 on your card but you may get cut when its recalculated in stableford terms.

PhilipMarlowe

Think of an (extreme) example to help...
Scratch golfer (0 handicap), playing a par 72 course and the CSS was also 72.
He is 5 under thru the first 17 holes and then on the par 4 18th he has a 10 after going OOB a few times.

In the strokeplay competition, his gross (and nett) score is +1 because he was 5 under par, then +6 on the last. So that's a 73 in the competition and he comes 20th place overall.
For handicap purposes, his 10 on the last is reduced to a 6 (a nett double bogey for him because he receives no shot on the hole).
This means that his adjusted gross is reduced down to 69 (3 under par) because he was 5 under thru 17 and then "had" a nett double bogey. So for handicap purposes, he beat CSS by 3 shots and gets cut 3 x 0.1 = 0.3

If you think about it, the handicap is adjusted as if it were a stableford competition.
5 under thru 17 for a scratch golfer:
12 pars => 12 x 2 =24 points
5 birdies => 5 x 3 = 15 points
1 'scratch' => 0 points
total = 39 points and the CSS was 72 = level par = 36 points so he beats CSS by 3 and gets cut 3 x 0.1 = 0.3

So, even strokeplay rounds are treated as if they were stableford for handicapping purposes but of course in strokeplay competitions, you need to play out each hole properly in order to have a score in the competition.
Our friend above had to hole out for his 10 on the last to have a 73 in the competition. Had he picked up his ball after 6 shots and put it in his pocket he would have been DQ'ed (but still would have had a 0.3 cut!).

conno16

comprehensive answer
well done on clarifying

aster99

Great example , thanks Licksy...