Run home web server on Three Wireless?

NDSBF

Any reports of success running a home web server when using Three's wireless broadband (3G etc)? Can certainly set up web server @ home on any given port if Three blocks certain ones for incoming traffic but leaves others open, but I'm concerned as to whether Three makes it impossible to have incoming connections and/or somehow mucks up Dynamic DNS services like dyndns.org.

Cabaal

1. Its likely very much against there T&C's (as it is for most ISP's)
2. You'd be mad and/or stupid to run a web server off such a slow service

NDSBF

Ok, clarification. This would be a home security camera system, so I'd be the only one using it, and only infrequently, so I'm not terribly concerned with a slow uplink or a data usage cap. I am concerned with the ability to run this or whether it's completely blocked by how Three's network is set up.

PogMoThoin

Unlike real providers You don't get a unique public ip address, 3 have a handful of public ip's that everyone shares, a big lan, therefore its just not at all possible, even with dyndns. O2 used be the only mobile provider that give a unique public ip. Then You have the other problems with mobile, its not always on, it kicks data customers to make room for voice, its latency etc.
See this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056052471

maggy_thatcher

I'm pretty sure that 3 use a NAT tier in between the subscriber layer and the 'real internet' tier (I know O2 does). As such, setting up a webserver would be difficult (there'd be no address to connect to).

watty

It won't work reliably as it's essentially dialup. Not an always on connection, so you may not be able to remotely connect as it hasn't even got a dynamic IP when it disconnects.

Jehuty42

Where do people get these ideas from?:mad:

OP: midband "mobile broadband" is only useful as an on-the-go solution for occasional web-browsing, email, etc. For anything else, it is completely useless.But people here in Ireland seem to use it as a fixed broadband replacement, when it is nothing of the sort.

bealtine

Jehuty42 wrote: »

Where do people get these ideas from?:mad:

OP: midband "mobile broadband" is only useful as an on-the-go solution for occasional web-browsing, email, etc. For anything else, it is completely useless.But people here in Ireland seem to use it as a fixed broadband replacement, when it is nothing of the sort.

True but that's how it's marketed and the Dept of Comms like to tell us that it is real broadband too. Is it any wonder people gets these crazy ideas and treat it like it was real broadband?

Your point is well made and probably should be a FAQ imho.

PogMoThoin

bealtine wrote: »

True but that's how it's marketed and the Dept of Comms like to tell us that it is real broadband too. Is it any wonder people gets these crazy ideas and treat it like it was real broadband?

Your point is well made and probably should be a FAQ imho.

These threads are cropping up here more and more as people get conned into thinking its real broadband, even the NBS flyer has written on it "Real broadband has arrived in Your area". People are even disconnecting decent working fixed wireless for it.

watty

People are even disconnecting UPC cable and phone line DSL for it.

1Mbps DSL is BETTER than up to 7Mbps, 14Mbps, 21Mbps or 42Mbps Mobile.

Real Fixed Wireless is x8 better utilisation of Spectrum. Should Comreg revoke Imagine's FWALA (Fixed Wireless Access) licences as they are misusing it with Imagine WiMax? It is NOT Fixed Wimax and is not Broadband and wastes 7/8ths of the spectrum capacity compared with real Fixed WiMax.

8Mbps, 12Mbps or 24Mbps DSL is "up to" also. But not in same sense as Mobile 3G, Ripwave, Clearwire or Imagine WiMax. The speed you get is stable. Mobile and Nomadic (Imagine WiMax, Ripwave) is not

More articles will be added here: http://www.techtir.ie/comms

See also http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055442502
and http://www.techtir.ie/forums/internet-faq
And the reason people are disconnecting Fixed Wireless, DSL and Cable is that it is Priced Cheap. Despite real cost is actually x100 to x300 higher than same price Voice Mobile package!

KerryTech

Not everyone in Ireland lives in an urban area with easy access to broadband. I happen to live in "the bogs" and have NO access to broadband, other than Three and maybe O2 wireless. So the question is quite germain and, imho, reasonable.
Does anyone know of any way to be able to view security cameras over an internet connection using a DVR with integrated internet "server" and dyanmic IP service (such as dyndns.org) using Three, O2, or any other ISP if you are outside of an area served by DSL??

watty

There ARE ways to do it. But it's not simple, cheap or reliable.

Solution #1
you would need to have a hosted server and have the security system FTP to it. Then you can access stills anytime anywhere that are on the hosted server.

Solution #2
use DTMF decoder on home mobile connected to the security service. (you can get DTMF recievers and even blu-tack it with mic to a mobile set to autoanswer and hangup when call ends)
You call the phone or mobile on the home security and enter a numeric PIN to tell secuity system what to do and it then tries to connect to you via Skype video. You also try to connect to it via Skype Video. (two skype accounts).

The Skype system will detect that both ends are NAT outward only (ie. if both ends are on 3G) and it will relay via a Skype supernode. You might get 100kbps to 1Mbps. It's variable.


There are other solutions.
What is going to work stunningly badly is trying to keep a connection open, use dyndns and even access a server on 3G at all if the Mobile ISP is using NAT.

Boards is not really the place for help. You need an expert.

Cable, Decent Fixed Wireless and such are no problem. May even be better than DSL. Mobile is the worst.

akamossie

just to clarify dyndns works with three no problem, been using it for 4 months to access my NAS storage and router remotely

watty

No assurance it will work tomorrow.

NDSBF

Akamossie, are you using the Huawei B260a router for your Three service, or an after-market 3G router? I couldn't find any specs on the B260a router on Three's website, but another ISP's manual seems to suggest that B260a router doesn't support DynamicDNS in and of itself. Are you using a PC or non-Three router to update the dyndns registry as your IP changes?

akamossie

I am using the router with three, the router doesn't support dyndns, I am running dyndns on my pc

Knasher

As people have pointed out it will most likely be crap especially considering your upload speed.

However if you wanted to try it out there are a couple of things you should know. Firstly as people have said you are behind a NAT, the reason for this is because these are mostly used plugged directly into somebodies laptop and possibly without a firewall. IF you have your own firewall though you can change the APN to '3interent' which will give you a public IP.

After that you just need to set up what ever ports need forwarding and a dynamic dns to track changes in your IP as akamossie pointed out.