ROR question

AugustusMinimus

Ok. Had a disagreement about this with someone. Just want to see what other people think.

You are coming up to a cross roads. You are on the minor road coming onto the main road. You are turning left. At the other side of the road, another driver is coming onto the main road. He is turning right.

Who has the right of way onto the main road. I'm guessing it is the person in the other car as he will make his way onto the main road before you. Is my reading of the situation correct ?

Jimmy Bottlehead

I had this question with my girlfriend, at one of the roads on the Collins Avenue side of DCU. I would imagine that you have right of way, as they are crossing the junction box, where you are just turning left. But I'm looking forward to hearing the right answer on it.

bop1977

you have right of way. there is a junction exactly like that near me and the car turning left has right of way.

MidlandsM

You must give way to Traffic on yer right I thought? I'm open to correction tho'

The Big Red Button

The car turning left has right of way.

From
http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/junctions.html ...

If you plan to turn right at a junction and a vehicle from the opposite direction wants to turn into the same road, the vehicle that is turning left has right of way. If yours is the vehicle turning right, you must wait for the other vehicle to turn first.

MidlandsM wrote: »

You must give way to Traffic on yer right I thought? I'm open to correction tho'

That's on a roundabout!

-Chris-

I always understood that, if the two of you arrive at the junction at the same time, that you have right of way because you're turning left and have the simpler manoeuvre.

If he's already started to go, then he has right of way as he's on the main carriageway whereas you're just joining it.

AugustusMinimus

-Chris- wrote: »

I always understood that, if the two of you arrive at the junction at the same time, that you have right of way because you're turning left and have the simpler manoeuvre.

If he's already started to go, then he has right of way as he's on the main carriageway whereas you're just joining it.

What I was thinking was that as you are turning left, you are not blocking the other drivers manouver onto the main carriageway. And when he gets onto the main carriageway, he would automatically have the right of way.

irisheddie85

-Chris- wrote: »

I always understood that, if the two of you arrive at the junction at the same time, that you have right of way because you're turning left and have the simpler manoeuvre.

If he's already started to go, then he has right of way as he's on the main carriageway whereas you're just joining it.

This is right. left turn has right of way

The Big Red Button

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

What I was thinking was that as you are turning left, you are not blocking the other drivers manouver onto the main carriageway. And when he gets onto the main carriageway, he would automatically have the right of way.

Are you saying that you'd be reluctant to take your right of way when turning left because you'd be afraid that, after you started your maneuvere onto the main road, he would then decide to turn right and you'd be blocking him then ...?

Well, by your logic, you're on the main carriageway before him, so why would he automatically have the right of way rather than you?

Besides which, if you're turning left and you've started to turn left before he starts to turn right, you should be well out of the way by the time he crosses the road.

However I might be interpreting you totally wrong there? Did you mean something different?

corktina

in my neck of the woods, it's whoever asserts himself goes first...you could wait forever for some of the eejits you meet. Just drive on and make sure you dont run into someone....

AugustusMinimus

chatterpillar wrote: »

Are you saying that you'd be reluctant to take your right of way when turning left because you'd be afraid that, after you started your maneuvere onto the main road, he would then decide to turn right and you'd be blocking him then ...?

Well, by your logic, you're on the main carriageway before him, so why would he automatically have the right of way rather than you?

Besides which, if you're turning left and you've started to turn left before he starts to turn right, you should be well out of the way by the time he crosses the road.

However I might be interpreting you totally wrong there? Did you mean something different?

I never said anything about me starting the manouver before the other driver.

Are you saying so that I'd have the right of way until the other driver has completed his manouver out onto the main road or that I'd have the right of way until he starts his manouver out onto the road ?

The Big Red Button

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

I never said anything about me starting the manouver before the other driver.

Are you saying so that I'd have the right of way until the other driver has completed his manouver out onto the main road or that I'd have the right of way until he starts his manouver out onto the road ?

If you arrive at the junction first, go as soon as you safely can.

If you arrive at the junction and he's already halfway across the road, wait for him to finish.

If you both arrive at the junction at the same time, you have right of way over him as you are turning left. However if he decides to make his maneuvere while you're still dithering, driving out in front of him probably wouldn't be the smartest move.

So basically the rule is that the driver turning left has the right of way, but you should obviously apply your own common sense to specific situations in order to avoid unnecessary collisions.

CiniO

chatterpillar wrote: »

That's on a roundabout!

Not only.
Also on a junctions of roads of equal importance.

CiniO

-Chris- wrote: »

I always understood that, if the two of you arrive at the junction at the same time, that you have right of way because you're turning left and have the simpler manoeuvre.

If he's already started to go, then he has right of way as he's on the main carriageway whereas you're just joining it.

I totally agree with first part, but not necesserly with the second one.
I always thought, that right of way on the junctions is already set before entering the junction. In other words - if someone enters the main road on the junction from minor road, and collides with someone doing the same from minor road from opposite side, that he can't say he had a right of way, as he was already on the main road.
Rules actually seems to be clear enough about it.

Yielding Right of Way

8. (1) Save as otherwise indicated by a traffic sign in respect of which an article in these Regulations refers, a vehicle shall yield right of way where a provision of this article applies.


(2) When starting from a stationary position a driver shall yield the right of way to other traffic and pedestrians.


(3) A driver of a vehicle approaching a road junction shall yield the right of way to another vehicle which has commenced to turn or cross at the junction in accordance with these Regulations and to a pedestrian who has commenced to cross at the junction in accordance with these Regulations.


(4) A driver of a vehicle entering a public road from a place which is not a public road shall yield the right of way to all vehicles and pedestrians proceeding in either direction along the public road.


(5) A driver of a vehicle approaching a road junction by a road which is not a major road shall, notwithstanding that there is no traffic sign indicating that the last mentioned road is a major road, yield the right of way to traffic and pedestrians on the major road.


(6) A driver approaching a road junction to which sub-article (5) does not apply shall yield the right of way to traffic and pedestrians approaching the junction from the right by another road.


(7) A driver of a vehicle approaching a road junction and intending to turn right at the junction shall yield the right of way to a vehicle approaching on the same road from the opposite direction and intending to proceed straight through or turn left at the junction.


(8) A driver shall not drive from one traffic lane to another without yielding the right of way to traffic in that other lane.

Who was first at the junction doesn't really makes any difference.
If you approach a junction, intend to turn right, and there's a car coming from the opposite side, even he didn't reach the junction yet, he has the right of way. And if you thing you might not be able to finish the manouver before he'll reach the junction, you just don't go.
It's pretty much the same as in turning right from the main road.
If you are turining right, you have to yield to drivers coming from opposite side. You don't start turning if you think that might make them to slow down or stop.

PS. Actually I'm shocked that so many users here, seems to don't know pretty much basic rule of using the roads.

mickdw

Surely there is no debate here. The guy turning left has right of way same as he would if going straight and the other guy wanted to cross him

jaffa20

What if in the same situation, both have to turn right, i.e both need to cross the road. Who would have right of way here?

Alkers

jaffa20 wrote: »

What if in the same situation, both have to turn right, i.e both need to cross the road. Who would have right of way here?

Whoever was there first I'd think?

corktina

jaffa20 wrote: »

What if in the same situation, both have to turn right, i.e both need to cross the road. Who would have right of way here?

me....:D

CiniO

jaffa20 wrote: »

What if in the same situation, both have to turn right, i.e both need to cross the road. Who would have right of way here?

In ROTR it's described, as can be done in two ways.

1. Cars turn right without crossing each other's way. Then there's no any right of way rules needed.
2. Cars pass each other normally (like they were going straight) and then turn right. Then just each one of them before turning has to wait for the other one.

Mc Love

What's the deal when you want to go straight ahead and the car across from you wants to turn right?

I would say I would have right of way?

CiniO

Mc Love wrote: »

What's the deal when you want to go straight ahead and the car across from you wants to turn right?

I would say I would have right of way?

Are you guys really serious about all that question?
What way did you get your driving licence?
I always thought, that's a kind a absolutely basic stuff that every driver is supposed to know.