Are the Regional Game Councils (County Boards) a waste of time?

deeksofdoom

Question for anyone in an NARGC club. In your opinion are the Regional Game Councils (County Boards) a waste of time?

Are county boards an unnecessary layer and should they be just cut out, I know in our club we have to pay an extra €20 a head affiliation fee to the Cork Federation. They in return subsidise traps, crates and game birds (maximum €100), but in my opinion they don't provide any value for money.

Your opinions please?

Terrier

Totally in favour - Galway Game Hunting Assocation

€50 affiliation fee per club, not member.
50% back on all vermin traps - no limit i believe
Pheasants (€2.50ea) and Mallard subsidised (€3.00ea) - no limit
Game crop grants up to €1000
County Clay Shoot sponsored
Organise Vermin Competitions and prizes
Oraginse proficency courses, insurance, communication and many more things

johngalway

I'm not in any club, but the Galway one seems to have it's perks from Terriers post.

Terrier

As always John you would be very welcome in my neck of the woods!

homerhop

I used to go to all the Kildare meetings, some of the lads were sound and were at the end of a phone if ya needed to discuss anything or get some advice. Ya got to remember that most county boards are elected from club deligates who attend meetings and with everything in life you will get some sound fellas who genuinely are keen to help advance the sport ,and also those who like to feel the authority of being on a board in their veins.

johngalway

Terrier wrote: »

As always John you would be very welcome in my neck of the woods!

We'll have to head out at something Terrier, not like we're half the country apart!

bunny shooter

homerhop wrote: »

I used to go to all the Kildare meetings, some of the lads were sound and were at the end of a phone if ya needed to discuss anything or get some advice. Ya got to remember that most county boards are elected from club deligates who attend meetings and with everything in life you will get some sound fellas who genuinely are keen to help advance the sport ,and also those who like to feel the authority of being on a board in their veins.

+1

Like most things, depends on those involved

pedroeibar1

It's an academic question for many of us. Lots would love to join a Club but cannot get in. Just read these boards everytime a similar question pops up. That is why I'm in CAI.
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terminator2

It doesnt matter if you are in a gun club or not, the main thing is that you have insurance, for your own sake and for the sake of the farmer on whose land you are allowed to hunt.If you dont have insurance you are recklessly endangering yourself and others. Im an NARGC member

Tackleberrywho

terminator2 wrote: »

It doesnt matter if you are in a gun club or not, the main thing is that you have insurance, for your own sake and for the sake of the farmer on whose land you are allowed to hunt.If you dont have insurance you are recklessly endangering yourself and others. Im an NARGC member

IFA countryside, all farmers are in the IFA so they know your insurers name!
It makes a big difference to the average farmer who is not in tune with the shooting scene

johngalway

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

all farmers are in the IFA

No, they're not, and we've done this before.

Tackleberrywho

johngalway wrote: »

No, they're not, and we've done this before.

"Most Farmers" are in the IFA, or have heard of it shall we say!

terminator2

im not in the IFA

deeksofdoom

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

"Most Farmers" are in the IFA, or have heard of it shall we say!

yeah, yeah, yeah, we've heard this before. This is about NARGC affiliated Regional Game Councils not the IFA.

cavan shooter

Cavan does good work, money back for pheasants etc, affiliation fees are only €40. which really isnt enough, when you consider that money brought in is put back out.
Also
annual clay shoot
proficiency courses

sniper83

Terrier wrote: »

Totally in favour - Galway Game Hunting Assocation

€50 affiliation fee per club, not member.
50% back on all vermin traps - no limit i believe
Pheasants (€2.50ea) and Mallard subsidised (€3.00ea) - no limit
Game crop grants up to €1000
County Clay Shoot sponsored
Organise Vermin Competitions and prizes
Oraginse proficency courses, insurance, communication and many more things

correct me if i am wrong terrier but isnt there a €20 affiliation fee per member on top of €50 per club??

Terrier

sniper83 wrote: »

correct me if i am wrong terrier but isnt there a €20 affiliation fee per member on top of €50 per club??

Not in Galway. You sure thats not your Club fee!

JackSnipe

Deeksofdoom, you have a point about Cork, I have a buddy down there and they have left the NARGC along with many other neighbouring clubs because it is all about money. The affiliation is per member not like ours which is per club, so some clubs could be paying upon 700Euro, in addition you must attend the meeting or else get fined and the subsidies are cut. They pulled out of the NARGC and joined IFA and the federation have so much money they didn't even make an enquiry as to why they didn't renew.

deeksofdoom

Unfortunately the committee members of the federation are far too busy making money and giving it back to their own clubs than to bother using it to help the less active clubs in the county.

As far as I can make out there is a huge surplus of cash in the federation, there are a number of long established well known clubs after throwing in their lot with the Countryside Alliance and the FAI. The NARGC are well aware that there is a situation there aswell but are refusing to intervene.

Hopefully with the recession grass roots members of Cork Clubs will wake up to the fact that they are being fleeced and will finally do something about it instead of sitting on the fence while getting sucked dry.

Double Barrel

I am solidly in support - for all the reasons Terrier and others lay out.
But I have being in a one and heard of a few that leave a bit of a bad taste.
They are not all equal that is for sure.
BTW I'm not in the IFA either.

meathshooter1

the NARGC spend alot of money in the courts defending and protecting all the shooters of this country and provide a invaluable service in my opinion.If you have any problems with anything at club or regional level contact head office and you will receive a prompt answer to your problems or voice your opinion at the next meeting.

Octopus

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Unfortunately the committee members of the federation are far too busy making money and giving it back to their own clubs than to bother using it to help the less active clubs in the county.

As far as I can make out there is a huge surplus of cash in the federation, there are a number of long established well known clubs after throwing in their lot with the Countryside Alliance and the FAI. The NARGC are well aware that there is a situation there aswell but are refusing to intervene.

Hopefully with the recession grass roots members of Cork Clubs will wake up to the fact that they are being fleeced and will finally do something about it instead of sitting on the fence while getting sucked dry.

Deeksofdoom when you say federation are you referring to the Cork Regional body or the NARGC executive itself?

deeksofdoom

Octopus wrote: »

Deeksofdoom when you say federation are you referring to the Cork Regional body or the NARGC executive itself?

The Cork Regional body.

homerhop

There are a lot of grumblings and general unhappiness with the governing body at ground level in the south leinster area. Just talking to a few lads I met along the way over the past few months and not a good word to be said by any of them about the NARGC

terminator2

Terrier wrote: »

Totally in favour - Galway Game Hunting Assocation

€50 affiliation fee per club, not member.
50% back on all vermin traps - no limit i believe
Pheasants (€2.50ea) and Mallard subsidised (€3.00ea) - no limit
Game crop grants up to €1000
County Clay Shoot sponsored
Organise Vermin Competitions and prizes
Oraginse proficency courses, insurance, communication and many more things

the bird subsidy is going up from €2.50 to €3.50 per bird....and the NARGC are there to back you up in any legal matters.....plenty of lads have got help from the NARGC in the past ,

homerhop

They have and do good work still, but that is not to say there are not problems too. I was very pro NARGC and could see no other organisation but them to represent shooters, but their actions a few years ago was an eye opener and some of the antics since then to say the least left a very bad feelings.

blackstairsboy

Homerhop you are spot on about the south leinster area. Our club considered pulling out of the NARGC because of the way both the Wexford Regional Game Council and the head office treated us when we approached them with queries. It is frustrating to hear about the good work they do in Galway and other areas. It is unfortunate that it has gone this way as the NARGC has done alot to protect and unify shooters in the past. Lets hope that they get there act together and fast.

canon shooter

I Couldn't agree more with deeksofdooms original statement that the Cork Federation doesn't provide value for money. Galway are charging €50 per club and providing an excellent service and in Cork there charging €20 per person, which could be more than €400 or €500 per club, to do the same thing. Some thing doesn't add up there. It bemuses me as to why they need nearly ten times as much money in Cork than in Galway to provide the same service.
It appears that the NARGC have no control over the regional federations. The NARGC should have legislation in place so that each regional council is run the same and charges the same.