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Airtight building costs

  • 08-10-2010 4:44pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭


    i have been quoted 11k plus vat to make my new build airtight. this includes the mhrs installed. is it worth going for? anyone one have any ideas good or bad.
    i know it is hard to judge without info so here it is.
    house is 2story,2900sqft, concrete build with underfloor heating.
    wondering if airtight is suitable for my build and if it will be cost effective.
    thanks in advance


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 931 ✭✭✭homewardbound11


    i have just about completed a 3000 dqft 2 story and although i cant put an exact price on them together. I would estimate 5500 on a mhrv system with rigid ducting.
    Airtightness is useless unless you put strick result expectations. I.E. < 2 ach@ q50. Airtightness will take upto 2 weeks for 2 men with alot of expensive material. So based on that i would estimate 5-6k.

    You can of course do both your self and from the mhrv side it would recommend it. I have been dissapointed on this side and the taping although tediuos is not outside the sefl builder. Save your self 3-4 k of labour costs and you will do it over a few weeks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ExIrl


    I cant comment on the price as you didnt give much in the way of details...
    If you go to any builders merchant and ask for prices of siga air tight products... ie: internal membrane, tape/s etc, you will find your rough cost of materials.
    The rest is time and experience! dont get anyone because of a "great" price.
    As for mhrv, i got my system down from 4.5k down to 3.9, then to 3 even! Its amazin what you can get people down to if you stick at it.

    BTW what stage are you at?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭manufan16


    ExIrl wrote: »
    I cant comment on the price as you didnt give much in the way of details...
    If you go to any builders merchant and ask for prices of siga air tight products... ie: internal membrane, tape/s etc, you will find your rough cost of materials.
    The rest is time and experience! dont get anyone because of a "great" price.
    As for mhrv, i got my system down from 4.5k down to 3.9, then to 3 even! Its amazin what you can get people down to if you stick at it.

    BTW what stage are you at?
    Hi ExIrl,

    Can you tell me what MHRV system you bargained down to 3k?

    cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭The Lone Ranger


    ExIrl wrote: »
    I cant comment on the price as you didnt give much in the way of details...
    If you go to any builders merchant and ask for prices of siga air tight products... ie: internal membrane, tape/s etc, you will find your rough cost of materials.
    The rest is time and experience! dont get anyone because of a "great" price.
    As for mhrv, i got my system down from 4.5k down to 3.9, then to 3 even! Its amazin what you can get people down to if you stick at it.

    BTW what stage are you at?

    good advice:D
    where did you get your mhrv?
    as regards the build, i have not broken ground yet, but hopefully soon.
    with alittle help from boards!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭SARAH ANNE


    very interested in air tightness
    but
    my main concerns are health wise in the house, are we going down unchatered waters, I know we have to have hrv and all that, but will it be a success. hate to have an airtight house and sick children
    I may be wrong, could someone with experience of an airtight house and HRV please post their findings, health wise and comfort wise.
    my second concern would be cost, but my main concern would be health.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 dannnny


    my sis has got it in her house, its grand you wouldnt notice it. Its a common misconception about airtight houses, the truth is with MHRV the air is actually fresher than in naturally ventilated homes. this is because there are more "air changes per hour". if there's a power cut maybe crack a window after a few hours? basically dont worry about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭The Lone Ranger


    still not sure what to do.:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    i have been quoted 11k plus vat to make my new build airtight. this includes the mhrs installed. is it worth going for? anyone one have any ideas good or bad.
    i know it is hard to judge without info so here it is.
    house is 2story,2900sqft, concrete build with underfloor heating.
    wondering if airtight is suitable for my build and if it will be cost effective.
    thanks in advance

    MHR and airtightness is only worth spending money on if you are going for an airtight house.....sounds silly I know but......

    E.g If you have any open fireplaces then this will make your airtightness and MHR pretty worthless.

    BTW we have quotes for airtightness and MHRV for ~€10K


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    cuculainn wrote: »
    MHR and airtightness is only worth spending money on if you are going for an airtight house.....sounds silly I know but......

    E.g If you have any open fireplaces then this will make your airtightness and MHR pretty worthless.

    BTW we have quotes for airtightness and MHRV for ~€10K

    ..people are referring to 'airtightness' in this thread as if it's some sort of hermetic seal, or absolute - it isn't. Even the uber-German's don't have 'airtight' houses: sure, some are more airtight than ours, but that's about the extent of it. The phrase 'airtightness' needs to be qualified with a measurement of some sort.

    And now, under Building Regualations, there are values you have to meet, as a requirement, so you can't ignore it.

    How you achieve/meet the requirement is wide open to all manner of method's.

    Oh, and open fireplaces are sealed for the airtightness test, so whether it's there or not doesn't excuse you from having to meet the measurable's.........

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ..people are referring to 'airtightness' in this thread as if it's some sort of hermetic seal, or absolute - it isn't. Even the uber-German's don't have 'airtight' houses: sure, some are more airtight than ours, but that's about the extent of it. The phrase 'airtightness' needs to be qualified with a measurement of some sort.

    And now, under Building Regualations, there are values you have to meet, as a requirement, so you can't ignore it.

    How you achieve/meet the requirement is wide open to all manner of method's.

    Oh, and open fireplaces are sealed for the airtightness test, so whether it's there or not doesn't excuse you from having to meet the measurable's.........

    Very true Galwaytt.........I suppose my statment was a bit flippant.....

    Yes you have to meet airtightness regulations, and your fireplace/wall vents etc will be sealed for the test..........

    but does it make sense to spend 4000 on getting airtightness a then having open fireplaces?

    The OP asked was 11k good price for HRV and airtightness........my statement is still true.............it might get you to meet your regulation standards.....but if you have open fireplaces thats all it will do and it will be 11k that could be spent on something else


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    cuculainn wrote: »
    Very true Galwaytt.........I suppose my statment was a bit flippant.....

    Yes you have to meet airtightness regulations, and your fireplace/wall vents etc will be sealed for the test..........

    but does it make sense to spend 4000 on getting airtightness a then having open fireplaces?

    The OP asked was 11k good price for HRV and airtightness........my statement is still true.............it might get you to meet your regulation standards.....but if you have open fireplaces thats all it will do and it will be 11k that could be spent on something else

    Ho harm, no foul, it's all good :)

    I think OP is in the unfortunate position of having to deal with this now, rather than before he started the build, when he'd have had more choices vis-a-vis materials to build from, and this question could have been addressed more effectively then.

    But, he is where he is, and ignoring the money for a second, I'd be afraid that NOT using airtightness materials now would leave him with a very poor house on that front..........

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 bluemountainz


    I'm at a similar stage in my build. Due to cost we are not putting in a MHRV system but had hoped to put an air tight membrane in the attic, windows etc. My worry is that because we have no MHRV we have to put in traditional vents, are we then wasting our money on the air tight membrane or would we still see a benefit?:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    I'm at a similar stage in my build. Due to cost we are not putting in a MHRV system but had hoped to put an air tight membrane in the attic, windows etc. My worry is that because we have no MHRV we have to put in traditional vents, are we then wasting our money on the air tight membrane or would we still see a benefit?:confused:

    I don't know your situation, obviously, but €3500 - €4000, over the LIFETIME of a building, isn't a lot, imho. And it's not something you can put in, later.....imho, the quality of the building is better. It has nothing to do with the 'heat recovery' part of it, but rather, the 'managed' ventilation. What you want, need, where you want/need it.

    Just my 0.02

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭badgerhowlin


    I am building a 218m2 timber frame house, mortgage pending!

    I asked the timber frame company if they do the air tightness them selves they said no that they get an out side company to do it. The have quoted me 4-5k. Is this the norm for getting your house airtight?

    Is it possible to do it your self. If so when can i get the airtight membrane. I have a hvac systems quoted for 4600 as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 badger81


    I am building a 218m2 timber frame house, mortgage pending!

    I asked the timber frame company if they do the air tightness them selves they said no that they get an out side company to do it. The have quoted me 4-5k. Is this the norm for getting your house airtight?

    Is it possible to do it your self. If so when can i get the airtight membrane. I have a hvac systems quoted for 4600 as well.

    siga.ch seem to do good stuff, lot of dealers around Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭tred


    badger81 wrote: »
    siga.ch seem to do good stuff, lot of dealers around Ireland

    If your not working, and you have lots and lots of time, then yes, u can do a lot of this stuff urself, but it takes time. if you can source a reputable team, to do the air tightness, who understands it and implements it correctly, best 3.5 grand ull ever spend. i would still research and learn from say siga sites, so that when its implemented, you see its done correctly!!!.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭snow mad


    I'm at a similar stage in my build. Due to cost we are not putting in a MHRV system but had hoped to put an air tight membrane in the attic, windows etc. My worry is that because we have no MHRV we have to put in traditional vents, are we then wasting our money on the air tight membrane or would we still see a benefit?:confused:

    if you come down bellow 5 air changes an hour under current building regulations you will have either have mhrv or double the size of your wall vents so i would recommend aiming for 5ac/hr this can easily be done with plaster finish just sealing the joints between different building fabrics and making sure your plasters plaster right down to the floor.


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