Still waiting on my P45

panda100

Hi all,

From January to August this year I was working in a family run nursing home. I left abruptly without giving any notice to my employer. Looking back this was the wrong thing to do and my employers were very disappointed I left.

I received an email from them telling me my P45 would be issued when I returned my uniforms. That was no problem and three weeks ago I dropped back in my uniforms,one of them was missing so I offered to pay for this uniform which would cost €15 max.

Three weeks later and I'm still waiting for my P45. I've been paying emergency tax for the last month which has given me nothing to live on.

I was self employed up until this point so I don't really know how this P45 thing works!
Is THE p45 meant to go to your home address or the tax office?
How long does it usually take to get a P45?
I feel that as I left my job without notice I can't really demand for them to give it to me asap but I really need to pay my rent and I can't do that with the emergency tax!

Any advice would be appreciated.

gerrycollins

if you are having difficulty getting your P45 the fastest thing you can do for your situation is to ring your local tax office with your new employees VAT number(ask your employer for it).

Tell the revenue person that you are now employed with X and their number is y and they will change your details.

Within 2 to 3 weeks you and your new employer will get a letter in the post. Your employer will use the details on this letter to update your file and then you will be paying tax at the appropiate rate to you in the next pay roll. The total procedure could take 4 weeks.

AOwannabe

^^^^^ Yes, the above is easiest way to sort out emergency tax without a P45.

However, your old employer has absolutely no right to withold your P45.
Ring them and tell them you are reporting them to the Revenue Commissioners if they don't send it immediately, it doesn't matter if you haven't returned uniforms or such they still have no right to withold it.

seamus

panda100 wrote: »

Is THE p45 meant to go to your home address or the tax office?

Your P45 should be handed to you along with your last payslip. Some places do post them out, but any employer I've had has been reluctant to do anything except hand it to me because of the sensitive information it contains.

I feel that as I left my job without notice I can't really demand for them to give it to me asap but I really need to pay my rent and I can't do that with the emergency tax!

You're entitled to your P45 as soon as your employment finishes. Ring up your old employer and ask them what the story is.

They had no real right to withold your P45 until you returned your uniform, but that was 3 weeks ago now so you should have it by now. If they cannot provide you with a P45 today, then ring the tax office as mentioned above.

testicle

seamus wrote: »

You're entitled to your P45 as soon as your employment finishes. Ring up your old employer and ask them what the story is.

If you are paid in arrears, your last pay day is a week/month after you leave. You won't get a P45 until after that.

seamus

testicle wrote: »

If you are paid in arrears, your last pay day is a week/month after you leave. You won't get a P45 until after that.

It's a grey area. Technically you are supposed to receive your P45 on the day that your employment ceases or as close as is practical to that date. The company's payroll cycle is largely irrelevant, and nowhere does it say that a company is entitled to hold onto your wages or your P45 until they run the next payroll cycle. A month would be an unreasonable timeframe to wait IMO.

All payroll systems are perfectly capable of coping with paying an employee for two months/two cycles on the day that they leave or in the cycle before that employee leaves.

Revenue explicitly say that it's of the "utmost importance" that a P45 is issued as soon as the employment has finished (ref) so they don't tolerate any messing or excuses with the system really.

panda100

Thanks everyone for the info, that clears up a lot!

gerrycollins wrote: »

if you are having difficulty getting your P45 the fastest thing you can do for your situation is to ring your local tax office with your new employees VAT number(ask your employer for it).

Tell the revenue person that you are now employed with X and their number is y and they will change your details.

Within 2 to 3 weeks you and your new employer will get a letter in the post. Your employer will use the details on this letter to update your file and then you will be paying tax at the appropiate rate to you in the next pay roll. The total procedure could take 4 weeks.

I went into the tax office 2weeks ago with my employers number etc. I was surprised today when I got my payslip and I was still on the emergency tax so. I guess maybe it hasn't been processed yet.

Just one more quick question, do I get this emergency tax back? As I said I've been self employed since Ive started working so this paye thing is all new to me.

gerrycollins

panda100 wrote: »

Thanks everyone for the info, that clears up a lot!



I went into the tax office 2weeks ago with my employers number etc. I was surprised today when I got my payslip and I was still on the emergency tax so. I guess maybe it hasn't been processed yet.

Just one more quick question, do I get this emergency tax back? As I said I've been self employed since Ive started working so this paye thing is all new to me.

you should get the letter in the post next week however if no sign by wednesday I'd make a follow up phone call.

yes you will get your emergancy tax back but the payroll system will calculate the tax you should have ordinarly paid based on your circumstances per week and refund you the difference.

Robus

seamus wrote: »

It's a grey area. The company's payroll cycle is largely irrelevant, .........All payroll systems are perfectly capable of coping with paying an employee for two months/two cycles on the day that they leave or in the cycle before that employee leaves.

To calculate the P45 details the employee must be paid his last due wage (including holiday pay etc), if the cycle is monthly then the you will have to wait for the next payroll run to be completed to generate his P45, you often can’t generate a P45 until you run "post payroll" and this can’t be done until all other employees have completed the period if variable inputs per employee per period are required.
So IMO, in a monthly payroll, if for example you leave on the 3rd of the October, the payroll can’t run until he last day of October and you won’t get a P45 until early November.

Robus

Sage Micropay say:

Q:I have marked an employee as a leaver in Micropay Professional, but I cannot print a P45 for that employee. Why?
A:You must be at Status P to print a P45 for a leaver in the current period. To go to status P, click on the EOP button to run the end of period option.

Thus I think To run EOP "end of period" you would need to know all other employees hours for the period first, and this would delay the P45 by the cycle lenght.