Use of logo restricted to education

scath

Guys, remember if you are going to use logos such as Saorview for example for anything other than educational use you need permission from RTÉ or the relevant provider. You may consider that its in their benefit. However they as owners are entitled to control its usage & if they so desire to set monetary terms for use of same.

I guess this applies to those retailing Saorview systems, before you upload their logo, get their permission & only do if they agree. Because you will be asked to take it down & that request can be legally enforced. So best to avoid all that use the proper channels..

AstralTV

yes, I was asked by rtenl to remove the logo from my site yesterday along with the rte1, & 2 logos,

watty

I'm not selling anything. But we have emailled a contact in RTE asking who should we talk to about this.

I was going to add logos for all the Irish TV & Radio inc all the new RTE Digital Radio to techtir. In theory boards.ie posts and articles on sites like Techtir.ie should be OK under "fair use" doctrine. But obviously one doesn't want to pointlessly ruffle feathers either.

Bob_Harris

For branding and logo guidelines you can register here:
http://isis.rte.ie/branding/

Mike 1972

watty wrote: »

In theory boards.ie posts and articles on sites like Techtir.ie should be OK under "fair use" doctrine.

AFaIK there is very little basis in Irish (or UK) law for "fair use"

A lot of copyright holders voluntarily and informally allow for a degree of "fair dealing" (e.g. most book publishers have guidelines on how much of a book can be photocopied without permission from the copyright holder* ) but there is little or no legal obligation for them to do so ?

* In which case the disincentives to compliance are often more bureaucratic than financial

watty

http://www.cai.ie/articles/introduction.htm

Insubstantial copying

In order to infringe the author's copyright, a "substantial" part of the work must have been copied. Insubstantial copying is therefore permitted. Because it is impossible to say with certainty what is meant by "substantial" in any given situation, users are often reluctant to rely on this exemption. Equally however, authors litigate at some risk.

Fair dealing

A work may be used by anyone for the purposes of research or private study without the permission of the author, provided the use is conducted in a way which does not prejudice the rights of the copyright owner. The work may also be used for criticism or review or for reporting current events, with the same proviso, and provided further that the use of the work is accompanied by an acknowledgement identifying the author and the title of the work.

This bundle of exceptions is known as "fair dealing". Although the legislation does not state the fact, it is unlikely that the making of multiple copies of a work will ever qualify as fair dealing.

Educational uses

The use of author's works for certain educational purposes is permitted. These include the use of the work in examinations, and the inclusion of a short passage from the work in an anthology for schools.

Based on
Irish Copyright and Related Rights Act 2000 (PDF)
www.gov.ie/bills28/acts/2000/a2800.pdf
SI 514 of 2002
www.entemp.ie/tcmr/514of2002.htm

Related to
* EU Copyright Directive (PDF)
europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2001/l_167/l_16720010622en00100019.pdf
* EU Copyright Directive (HTML)
europa.eu.int/smartapi/cgi/sga_doc?smartapi!celexapi!prod!CELEXnumdoc&lg=EN&numdoc=32001L0029&model=guichett

Mike 1972

I stand corrected on the voluntary thing but "fair dealing" and "fair use" are not the same thing though.

Fair Use is a mostly US legal concept and allows for the copying of entire works in some circumstances (Timeshifting TV broadcasts for personal short term use being one). In Israel IIRC all copying for personal use is legal provided one isint profiting from it.

watty

I was obviously using terminology too loosely. US Patent & Copyright laws are a mess. See royalties-and-mobile-phones for an example.

Mike 1972

watty wrote: »

US Patent & Copyright laws are a mess.

Perhaps but name me a country whete theyre not.

The compulsory FM tuners in mobiles idea is rather silly although royalty free airplay of music makes a certain amount of sense although this is getting way O/T