Race entries fees - WTF

tunney

https://www.aliveoutside.ie/index.php?id=69&eid=105

25 euro for a duathlon. A short duathlon. WTF?
Almost zero costs for a duathlon bar timing and prizes and I seriously doubt the prize money would cover even the price of entry.

I for one think that next year will be very very interesting in the multi-sports world and I think that there will be carnage in the races. Too many races, most over priced.

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Gringo78

Agree. 10euro for the Cork to Cobh 15mile race at the weekend (including a t-shirt), shows the fleecing thats going on in so many events.

Krusty_Clown

Gringo78 wrote: »

Agree. 10euro for the Cork to Cobh 15mile race at the weekend (including a t-shirt), shows the fleecing thats going on in so many events.

Hmm, that is very expensive. It should be €4.

griffin100

https://www.aliveoutside.ie/index.php?id=69&eid=105

25 euro for a duathlon. A short duathlon. WTF?
Almost zero costs for a duathlon bar timing and prizes and I seriously doubt the prize money would cover even the price of entry.

The clue is in the name of the organisers...

Alive Outside Sports Events Company

Aren't these the guys who tried to justify ridiculous entry fees for Slane Triathlon on the basis that you got a slice of BBQ pig?

I for one think that next year will be very very interesting in the multi-sports world and I think that there will be carnage in the races. Too many races, most over priced.

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nerraw1111

That seems pretty high given how short the course is and that fact that the run is a few laps around the playing fields.

Is there a limit on numbers?

What was the price of these events in the past?

elvis jones

The Heath 10KM in Laois...........30 squid:rolleyes:

annieee

The Donadea Forest 10k. 30 Squid too. :rolleyes:

dare2be

Sligo Try a Tri 30 euros. Insane for a 1/2 sprint no matter if you are a 1st timer or not.

Peterx

In fairness I'm sure any race has costs, which are likely to be substantially higher then zero.
Off the top of my head;

insurance
T-shirts
ambulance
guards
numbers
marshalls
road closures
publicity

On the other hand I also believe there will be many races struggling to break even next year, this recession is altering comsumer attitudes to price and that will eventually filter through to races. There are some very expensive offerings on show which will suffer.
survival of the fittest...

tunney

Peterx wrote: »

In fairness I'm sure any race has costs, which are likely to be substantially higher then zero.
Off the top of my head;

insurance
T-shirts
ambulance
guards
numbers
marshalls
road closures
publicity

On the other hand I also believe there will be many races struggling to break even next year, this recession is altering comsumer attitudes to price and that will eventually filter through to races. There are some very expensive offerings on show which will suffer.
survival of the fittest...

Multisports events are covered by Triathlon Irelands insurance and are generally on open roads.
AFAIK the guards don't get paid.

Doesn't leave much?

A little unfair for me to pick out one event in multisports when really it is most.

TheRoadRunner

The majority of road races are 20 quid now. 25 for a duathlon nearly seems cheap by comparison, at least some logistics need to be put in place for bike transition area.

You are right it is a rip off. Race prices are currently in a bubble and that bubble will pop in a few years akin to our property bubble! Will be interesting to look at costs in a couple of years. Funnily enough the number and cost of road races shot up in 1980s (so I'm told) and then a lot of them went bust.

too much trifle

belfast off rd. duathlon £12. done several races north of the boarder this year, always good value, rip off ireland hasnt died in the recession.

elvis jones

too much trifle wrote: »

belfast off rd. duathlon £12. done several races north of the boarder this year, always good value, rip off ireland hasnt died in the recession.

Your the not the 1st person i've heard say this.

Gringo78

East Cork AC 3km winter road race series - 3 euro per race for non-ECork AC members, closed roads, Timing clock, accurate results in your email inbox about 2 hours after the race. T-shirt if you complete 5 races. Beat that for value.

Maybe Ben Dunne will get into organising multisports?

ThisRegard

Keep Ben Dunne well away from things ! He's full of crap, all talk about he's going to revolutuonise such and such industry without actually doing anything, cheap sambos anyone, and people are not exactly raving about his main business venture.

geld

Lets vote with our feet for bad value and expensive races.

I'll continue to support the IMRA, BHAA and the good club races which can't be beaten for value for money.

shels4ever

or people/clubs can go and organize their own (low cost)races

tunney

shels4ever wrote: »

or people/clubs can go and organize their own (low cost)races

Alot of multisport "club" races are run by companies under the banner of the club.

token56

elvis jones wrote: »

The Heath 10KM in Laois...........30 squid:rolleyes:

Wow that is really terrible, especially considering the price of other races in the area.

elvis jones

I made that point to an organiser here and this is what was said.........

Whats the point in having a fund raiser if you can't raise any funds:rolleyes: ( roll eyes and all ). Some people just don't see that its not about t shirts and goodie bags. Its all about a well organised race that good value for money.

Also stack em high watch em fly...............race at 20 a lot more people will enter than a race at 30, bigger crowd, better buzz, more than likely better funds raiser and good feedback for a bigger race next year.

shels4ever

tunney wrote: »

Alot of multisport "club" races are run by companies under the banner of the club.

Is it possible for Tri Ireland to look into that, not sure how it works but must be an AGM where it can be addressed.

catweazle

As long as people stump up there will always be race organisers willing to take their money. A good example of the way this is going can be found in the Galway Bay 10k which was charging 45 euros (their half marathon could be entered for 40 early bird)

From looking at the race results they got 620 entries x 45 euros = 27900 euros.

Looking at the race times, a sub 45 minute run would have got you in the top 15 :eek:, 39.59 would have got you on the podium. Its pretty clear that your average regular runner / club runner stayed well clear of this race and they got mostly first timers and newbies entering who maybe arent aware of the exorbitant charge. I met a few friends after and admonished them for lining the organisers profits on the back of a charity and I doubt they will enter it next year. I am sure I wasn't the only one as I heard loads of bitching about it before the half marathon race. I dont think that 10k race will have much of a future being honest if they are reliant on newbies every year to participate

nerraw1111

I think the t-shirt cost excuse is a bit of a white elephant. You don't have to have a free t-shirt at an event.

You should always have a choice between paying extra for a t-shirt or saving some cash and wardrobe space by getting the entry cheaper.

E30 for a 10k is a joke.

tunney

nerraw1111 wrote: »

I think the t-shirt cost excuse is a bit of a white elephant. You don't have to have a free t-shirt at an event.

You should always have a choice between paying extra for a t-shirt or saving some cash and wardrobe space by getting the entry cheaper.

E30 for a 10k is a joke.

In fact the last two Irish triathlons I did didn't give out t-shirts. Or rather they only ordered t-shirts for half the competitors. but they still charged.

macinalli

There's another thread about an RNLI fundraising race that's going ahead in November. They asked for feedback on what people would like to see included and now have a measured course and entry fees with/without t-shirts. Will be running this race on principle!

mitresize5

nerraw1111 wrote: »

I think the t-shirt cost excuse is a bit of a white elephant. You don't have to have a free t-shirt at an event.

You should always have a choice between paying extra for a t-shirt or saving some cash and wardrobe space by getting the entry cheaper.

E30 for a 10k is a joke.

Nenagh tri (North Tipp Sprint) sent out a short survey on what people wanted for next year based on price and goodie bags.

The overwhelming majority selected the option for cheaper entry fee - option to buy t shirt on the day

p.s. this is a very well organised race and the entry fee was reasonable from what I can remember (€35) but Im open to correction

BMcCrystal

tunney wrote: »

https://www.aliveoutside.ie/index.php?id=69&eid=105

25 euro for a duathlon. A short duathlon. WTF?
Almost zero costs for a duathlon bar timing and prizes and I seriously doubt the prize money would cover even the price of entry.


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I organised The Sportsman Duathlon in Dundalk this year along with help from Setanta members.

We did 5 races(january, Feb, March, April,May) with the last 4 being in the series.

January was 10 euro with the next 4 races at 15 euro. Alternatively you could enter in a bundle. 4 for 49 euro. check out link below...

http://www.runireland.com/events/2010-02-14/sportsman-duathlon

We put on a spread of sandwiches, teas and coffee for everyone after.( Where would you get it)...;-)

We had timing chips also.

The winners of the series got top prizes(garmin 310xts) and money for the winners and age groupers of each race.

I not sure but over the 5 races we just about broke even..

Our goal was not to make money but to put on a quality race for seasoned athletes and to help get newcomers into the sport...

The feed back was brilliant and worthwhile..:D

A must race for your calender next year!!:D:D

BMC

mloc123

BMcCrystal wrote: »

The feed back was brilliant and worthwhile..:D

A must race for your calender next year!!:D:D

BMC

Not to piss on this but... I did the second race and it had great potential but the drafting was an absolute joke.

BMcCrystal

mloc123 wrote: »

Not to piss on this but... I did the second race and it had great potential but the drafting was an absolute joke.

Agree, (slightly)

60-70% of the start line were complete beginners and didnt understand the rules completely..

The course is tough.. with the long drag back to the start I saw that alot were evenly paced...

We will hopefully sort it next year.. and see your there..:D

ronanmac

tunney wrote: »

https://www.aliveoutside.ie/index.php?id=69&eid=105

25 euro for a duathlon. A short duathlon. WTF?
Almost zero costs for a duathlon bar timing and prizes and I seriously doubt the prize money would cover even the price of entry.

I for one think that next year will be very very interesting in the multi-sports world and I think that there will be carnage in the races. Too many races, most over priced.

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It might be that I'm now so used to exorbitantly-priced events, but I don't think that 25 euro for a duathlon is over-priced.

PWEI

At least you get a T-shirt for doing a triathlon and normally a goodie bag.
But these duathlons in the Park you get absolutely nothing, not even an energy bar.

Seres

Galway 5km series , 6 races , 25euros , all AAI certified & chipped , 700 places sold out in less than 2 hrs , no prizes and results posted within 24hrs of event , water available at the end

elvis jones

Seres wrote: »

Galway 5km series , 6 races , 25euros , all AAI certified & chipped , 700 places sold out in less than 2 hrs , no prizes and results posted within 24hrs of event , water available at the end

That's great value !

trihead

BMcCrystal wrote: »

I organised The Sportsman Duathlon in Dundalk this year along with help from Setanta members.

We did 5 races(january, Feb, March, April,May) with the last 4 being in the series.

January was 10 euro with the next 4 races at 15 euro. Alternatively you could enter in a bundle. 4 for 49 euro. check out link below...

http://www.runireland.com/events/2010-02-14/sportsman-duathlon

We put on a spread of sandwiches, teas and coffee for everyone after.( Where would you get it)...;-)

We had timing chips also.

The winners of the series got top prizes(garmin 310xts) and money for the winners and age groupers of each race.

I not sure but over the 5 races we just about broke even..

Our goal was not to make money but to put on a quality race for seasoned athletes and to help get newcomers into the sport...

The feed back was brilliant and worthwhile..:D

A must race for your calender next year!!:D:D

BMC

Thats good work with the duathlons.

I'm open to correction:rolleyes: but were you not involved with /organiser for the dundalk hlf marathon this year which got poor press for claiming to be a charity race with a high entry fee. The charity element to the race was volunteers with buckets at the event. Or I am mistaken - which i could be:eek:

trihead

hawkwing

PWEI wrote: »

At least you get a T-shirt for doing a triathlon and normally a goodie bag.
But these duathlons in the Park you get absolutely nothing, not even an energy bar.

They gave out alive outside beanies and a free fruit drink at theirs.I think there was a hot sandwich at the first one also.They are a bit pricey but there is not much in the way of duathlons in November and they are well organised and the results are up fairly quick.They are especially good for first timers i think as i did my first in early Feb and it got me into doing them and have done 8 this year since.About 5euro too much and the same course as the summer ones which gets boring if you do both would be my only gripes with them.

Condo131

As far as I'm aware, only one race in Cork, at a distance of 10k or less charged more than €10 this year.

That one race, the Emer Casey 10k in Youghal, gave every finisher a t-shirt, there was plenty of food afterwards, we got 5 talks from Cancer Researchers who are being funded by the Emer Casey Foundation

AND

100% of the €20 entry fee - Yes the full €20! - was donated to the Emer Casey Cancer Foundation.

This is one of three races that I'll definitely be doing next year. The other two are Ballycotton 10 and the Great Island 10, in Cobh, which also donates 100% of your entry fee to Cancer - the Irish Cancer Society

token56

elvis jones wrote: »

I made that point to an organiser here and this is what was said.........

Whats the point in having a fund raiser if you can't raise any funds:rolleyes: ( roll eyes and all ). Some people just don't see that its not about t shirts and goodie bags. Its all about a well organised race that good value for money.

Also stack em high watch em fly...............race at 20 a lot more people will enter than a race at 30, bigger crowd, better buzz, more than likely better funds raiser and good feedback for a bigger race next year.

I see, well I think the point has already been made about the quality of the field in these expensive races but the top runners know good value and I'd be very suprised to see any of the top runners from the area doing this race. I see it also mentions online about getting sponsorship cards for individual charities so I'm guessing absolutely none of the entry fee is for charity then. I'd be suprised if that race is still on in a few years time.

BeepBeep67

I've been involved in organising several races and have never had to pay for the contents of the goodie bag - including the T Shirt, so don't confuse that with value for money based on your entry fee.

Alive Outside

Hello all - to answer some of the queries coming out of this thread regarding the cost of the Duathlon in the Park (€25), the main costs are actually the venue hire, payment of gardai and payment of marshals.

The OPW (who look after the Phoenix Park) charge a per person ratio for each participant, which works out at a significantly higher price than the flat fixed fee in previous years.

Also An Garda Siochana are charging for the first time so we will have 2 x Gardai for 3 hours on double sunday time at the race - this is essential for the safety of the participants as the roads in the area will be closed for 2 hours in what is a very busy traffic corridor in Dublin.

The final big cost is that we pay all our marshals and car parkers. With many of them unemployed, all 35 or so people working at the event on Sunday will get a small amount paid into their bank account. We feel that the marshalling at our races is second to none in Ireland - which is really important for the enjoyment of the participants - and part of this is due to the fact that all marshals are part-time employees of ours. (So if any of you want to earn some money in the future, we'd love to have you sign up as a marshal!).

I can assure you that noone is getting rich from the duathlons in the park. The safety and enjoyment of everyone in the race is top of our agenda and hopefully everyone who takes part on Sunday has a really good time,. We also feel we are doing our bit to keep the economy moving by employing 35 people - even if it is only on a part-time basis.

Hope this addresses your issues. If anyone wants to sign up to the race or as a marshal, then check out our website. Thanks

PWEI

Anybody doing this race on Sunday? I like to do but I'm in two minds because of the weather at the moment. I don't mind running in the rain but hate cycling in weather like this. Are entries on the day allowed?

Alive Outside

Hi there. Yep we are accepting race entries on Sunday morning. You will need to go to our Registration Tent beside the Transition Area (on Acres Road in Phoenix Park) between 10:00 and 10:15 to register on the day. The race then starts at 11:00. Hope the weather improves for Sunday and we see you there! Kind regards

opus

Not mean as a criticism of the above event in anyway but as a matter of interest I put in my entry for a marathon in Germany next April in Leipzig, cost is €30. Pretty cheap compared to the €60 I'll have to pay for Cork even for the early bird entry.

Mind you it would fit in with my own experience in Germany where I can have a nice beer delivered with my pizza for way less than the cost of buying it in an off-license here!

tunney

I was looking at a famous irish half marathon for next year. €80 - not that pushed. I've a feeling alot of race organisers are going to get utterly destroyed this year.

mloc123

tunney wrote: »

I was looking at a famous irish half marathon for next year. €80 - not that pushed. I've a feeling alot of race organisers are going to get utterly destroyed this year.

I dunno, there will always be enough fools parting with their cash imo

Alive Outside

Dont worry - we have tough skins! Feedback - both positive and negative - is really important to us so thanks for that.

I agree about German prices - I lived there for 3 years close to Leipzig in former East and know that the cost of everything is way cheaper over there. The highest concentration of neo-Nazis in Germany though is in the Leipzip/Dresden area - neither is it the most scenic part of the world, which may also have something to do with the cheap price...

mitresize5

I think a lot of race organisers could do a lot worse than tune into Ireland V South Africa tomorrow and look at all the empty seats for the first game at a newly built stadium.

People are waaaaaayyyyy more price sensitive these days and even if people have jobs/money to spend on what is an non essential they are starting to turn their back on events where there is no apparent value for money

tunney

mitresize5 wrote: »

I think a lot of race organisers could do a lot worse than tune into Ireland V South Africa tomorrow and look at all the empty seats for the first game at a newly built stadium.

People are waaaaaayyyyy more price sensitive these days and even if people have jobs/money to spend on what is an non essential they are starting to turn their back on events where there is no apparent value for money

Yip - I once did every race on the TI calendar. Wouldn't dream of that now.

I'd love to do some winter duathlons and some other races to tweak things but if its a huge wedge out of my pocket I'm more likely to organise a club TT.

pgibbo

tunney wrote: »

I'd love to do some winter duathlons and some other races to tweak things but if its a huge wedge out of my pocket I'm more likely to organise a club TT.

We're planning on a couple of inter-club duathlons in the new year to keep costs down for people. Hopefully it will be as successful as our TT league last summer.

tunney

pgibbo wrote: »

We're planning on a couple of inter-club duathlons in the new year to keep costs down for people. Hopefully it will be as successful as our TT league last summer.

Who is we again?

pgibbo

tunney wrote: »

Who is we again?

Here we are.

shaungil

Cycling races mainly Eur10 a pop and club league EUR3 a pop. Cash for top six in open races and then different leve paying prizes too. Seems to me that money making is the aim of a lot of multi sports events these days and not run by clubs.
But that's capitalism as said before if it's too expensive don't do it.