Shooting Dogs

ronan nee

Hi all,

Am highly depressed today as all my pedigree poultry where slaughtered yesterday by three dogs:mad:.
Now, i know my rights as regards dogs on my farm doing whatever, but my private house is off farm and the poultry pin was at the back of the site.
so my question is, can I shoot dogs causing trouble in or around the pin?

Regards Ronan

Rovi

Sorry to hear about your poultry, that a horrible thing to happen.

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whelan1

if a dog is chasing cattle/sheep etc you are full entitled to shoot on site, but if a dog is chasing children you cant

Rovi

I suspect the OP's issue is not the shooting of the dogs, but the location of the scene of the crime.

OP: you're entitled to shoot the dogs, but whether it's a viable option will depend on how close you are to other dwellings and the general public.
You don't want to have the ERU descending on you or to have charges/convictions under the Firearms Acts on your record.

reilig

You need to talk to your local Gardai. Make a report and try to track down the owners for comepensation. The gardai will tell you what you can do beyond this.
If the owners are hit for compensatuion, then it will make them and a lot of other people think about how they control their dogs and whether they should keep a dog in the first place. If you don't try to find the owners, then you are leaving it open for these dogs to attack your fowl or that of a neighbour in the future.

Money talks - especially when you have to pay it

jap gt

two boxers killed 18 sheep belong to a neighhbour of mine,he lost 30 altogether as some had bad injurys, we caught on dog but the other made off, he went to the gaurds and they wer able to check who owned the breed in the area around the farmer, he did get paid in the end..

its best go to the gaurds with the breeds you saw they will have to look into it, if you just shoot them, fair enough they cant do it again but you will still be out of pocket

johngalway

reilig wrote: »

You need to talk to your local Gardai. Make a report and try to track down the owners for comepensation. The gardai will tell you what you can do beyond this.
If the owners are hit for compensatuion, then it will make them and a lot of other people think about how they control their dogs and whether they should keep a dog in the first place. If you don't try to find the owners, then you are leaving it open for these dogs to attack your fowl or that of a neighbour in the future.

Money talks - especially when you have to pay it

Ronan,

Go to the local station when the local cop is there and tell him the story. I am not sure how you'd stand around a house?

I know there were a LOT of sheep killed recently back the way from me. All had to be disposed of in the proper manner to receive compensation from the digs owners. If you plan to seek costs from the dogs owners it's vital you have the carcasses removed in the proper manner fully documented. That is solely in case it ends up in court. If you don't have that, you'll be told to FO.

whelan1

also ring dog warden.... dd was attacked by our own dog - we only had him a day, but the damage a dog can do is unreal ... she got 12 stitches on her face and still has nightmares 6 months later.... i know your case is different but still the dogs are trouble

ronan nee

Thanks for all the replies.
The dog owner's know that their dogs where involved, so they have till this evening to do the right thing. God help them if they bury their heads in the sand?

reilig

If people around us have lambs killed by dogs, they usually get the local paper to do an article about it - with pictures. It's a bit of a wake up call to dog owners in the area and makes them more alert.

ronan nee

I am in this area about 14 years now, but where I grew up is where the farm is (about 20mins away), and we had sheep along with nearly everyone else in the village. if there was a sheep kill the owners of dogs and sheep never disputed a thing, conpensation was paid and dogs where dealt with. everybody took responsibility for their dogs.....and everybody was happy.

5live

whelan1 wrote: »

if a dog is chasing cattle/sheep etc you are full entitled to shoot on site, but if a dog is chasing children you cant

Are you sure about that? My father always said shoot first fire warning shot after. Its bad enough dogs after sheep without having to be nice to shep as he attacks your kids

whelan1

5live wrote: »

Are you sure about that? My father always said shoot first fire warning shot after. Its bad enough dogs after sheep without having to be nice to shep as he attacks your kids

dog warden told me

Birdnuts

Dog owners who's animals are involved in more then 2 such incidents(killing livestock) should be banned from ever keeping dogs again:mad:

whelan1

we had dogs chasing our cattle last year , the owner was a prat , said the dogs where having fun , so rang dog warden and guards and put lead in one of the dogs butt the next time he was in the field , all sorted now

5live

Birdnuts wrote: »

Dog owners who's animals are involved in more then 2 such incidents(killing livestock) should be banned from ever keeping dogs again:mad:

From my experience with keeping sheep, i can safely say that i am one of the few in my area to have a dog licence for my mutts not to mind putting them in a house at night. One guy went on holidays and left a bag of dog nuts open and a small bucket of water for the two weeks he was away. He couldnt understand where his dogs were when he came back. My neighbour shot them both chasing his sheep on the second day of his holidays. Poor dogs bored and abandoned:(. And dead!

Muckit

whelan1 wrote: »

if a dog is chasing cattle/sheep etc you are full entitled to shoot on site, but if a dog is chasing children you cant

You might shoot the child :rolleyes:

whelan1

Muckit wrote: »

You might shoot the child :rolleyes:

true....

ihatetractors

Something similar happened a friend, neighbours dog was a viscious little thing. Owner wasnt too friendly either, so one day the father heard a horride commotion bout a month later, dog was bac after their new poultry. He simply locked the dog in the pen got the shotgun and........... , he said nothing about the dissapearence of the dog until bout 6 months later when he told the son.

Birdnuts

5live wrote: »

. One guy went on holidays and left a bag of dog nuts open and a small bucket of water for the two weeks he was away. He couldnt understand where his dogs were when he came back. My neighbour shot them both chasing his sheep on the second day of his holidays. Poor dogs bored and abandoned:(. And dead!

What a gobsh*te!! - should never be allowed have dogs again:mad:, if people are too lazy to look after a dog properly they should get a cat:rolleyes:

westwicklow

With the out farm near a town, we've had ferocious trouble with dogs killing lambs/sheep and chasing cows/calves. We now shoot all dogs on the land on sight. Occasionally, I've had to phone the neighbours to form a possie where a number of marauding dogs are involved.... nobody has let me down yet!!

One dog had the owners phone number on it's coller and she was very glad when I phoned her to let her know I found her "pride and joy" of a mut. Drove over to her townhouse, dingdong on the bell, lady answered the door, told her I'd brought her dog home and it was in the back of the jeep. Brought her out to the jeep and opened the door to, she assumed, to let her dog out. Dead dog.... along with 2 dead in-lamb ewes!

She paid up and has not caused a bit if bother since!!

5live

Muckit wrote: »

You might shoot the child :rolleyes:

What do you do if the child is chasing the sheep:D. Yeah kids and guns are not a good mix. I could do with a gun but couldnt take the risk of one of the kids finding it. And i am against needing guns to protect myself from other peoples stupidity and laziness

mikemac

Similar on our farm

Two dogs killed about 15 sheep over the course of a week.

You need to call the vet to get it verified, arrange to get the carcasss disposed of and get all your paperwork.

Local Gardai informed, the owner wouldn't acknowledge the problem though the dogs were locked up from then on

Eventually went to district court. Open and shut case realy, compensation paid
Vital to have the documentation though and have records of the carcasses.
And keep the local gardai informed on what's happening, they're helpful

I suppose a lot of people think their little pets are angels and they may well be. But they get in a gang and get led by others.
Much like teenagers I suppose

5live wrote: »

I could do with a gun but couldnt take the risk of one of the kids finding it.

You would have a gun cabinet surely?

johngalway

feelingstressed wrote: »

Similar on our farm

Two dogs killed about 15 sheep over the course of a week.

You need to call the vet to get it verified, arrange to get the carcasss disposed of and get all your paperwork.

Local Gardai informed, the owner wouldn't acknowledge the problem though the dogs were locked up from then on

Eventually went to district court. Open and shut case realy, compensation paid
Vital to have the documentation though and have records of the carcasses.
And keep the local gardai informed on what's happening, they're helpful

I suppose a lot of people think their little pets are angels and they may well be. But they get in a gang and get led by others.
Much like teenagers I suppose




You would have a gun cabinet surely?

For a single shotgun, you're not required to have a gun safe. However, it's common sense and good practice to have one properly installed. They are not a big investment for the peace of mind they give.

Rovi

5live wrote: »

I could do with a gun but couldnt take the risk of one of the kids finding it.

As others have already said, 'secure storage' is a statutory requirement for Firearm Certificate holders these days.

5live wrote: »

And i am against needing guns to protect myself from other peoples stupidity and laziness

This is specifically illegal, and the mention or hint of it getting to the Garda Superintendent's ears is a sure-fire way of having an application denied and/or an existing Certificate revoked.

johngalway

Rovi wrote: »

This is specifically illegal, and the mention or hint of it getting to the Garda Superintendent's ears is a sure-fire way of having an application denied and/or an existing Certificate revoked.

Figure he means peoples stupidity and laziness in how they keep/treat their dogs which often results in marauding packs among livestock, and not shooting the owners

Rovi

johngalway wrote: »

Figure he means peoples stupidity and laziness in how they keep/treat their dogs which often results in marauding packs among livestock, and not shooting the owners

Ah, well yes, that makes more sense in context.

My apologies to 5live, the way it was phrased got my Shooting Mod senses twitching, and I jumped to a conclusion somewhat.

mikemac

Rovi wrote: »

the way it was phrased got my Shooting Mod senses twitching, and I jumped to a conclusion somewhat.

Shoot first, investigate later?

Rovi

feelingstressed wrote: »

Shoot first, investigate later?

OUCH!

5live

No problem. I was keeping my head down in case someone was going to use live ammo:D. No i dont advocate using firearms on humans in any concieveable(can someone please untie my spellcheck?) way. Now if they wish to think about it i cant stop thoughtcrime. I just wish, as a farmer, that the use of firearms for protection of my livestock just was not necessary:(. A different life maybe. Again, in this case, better shoot first and stop any misconceptions