endless brakes

metzengerstein

anyone know if theres someone in ireland who sells these ?

'endless brake pads '

Atomic Pineapple

I'm pretty sure Urban performance supply them.

http://www.japshop.ie/

metzengerstein

great stuff thaks for that ,ill give em a try

Graham_B18C

Urban deffo do them, but they are expensive.

Gary ITR

Pointless going for just the pad, the Endless Pads will eat other discs.

Atomic Pineapple

Onkle wrote: »

Pointless going for just the pad, the Endless Pads will eat other discs.

Was the price you mentioned for Pads and discs all round?

projectgtr

Onkle wrote: »

Pointless going for just the pad, the Endless Pads will eat other discs.

Are they really that bad? Im running Carbotech`s track pad with OEM disks on my SiR Civic and they are fierce but my OEM disks show no signs of deterioration, maybe its different for heavier cars?? are you running Endless yourself they were one of the options i was thinking of before i went with the Carbotechs

Gary ITR

draffodx wrote: »

Was the price you mentioned for Pads and discs all round?

In around €700, that was just the fronts

projectgtr wrote: »

Are they really that bad? Im running Carbotech`s track pad with OEM disks on my SiR Civic and they are fierce but my OEM disks show no signs of deterioration, maybe its different for heavier cars?? are you running Endless yourself they were one of the options i was thinking of before i went with the Carbotechs

They are too aggressive for the OEM discs, I've been told they'll just destroy them.

I know of a car running Endless pads and discs on the front and it got 95% brake effort in the NCT, which is pretty amazing tbh.

Also I know of a Subaru Impreza STI that did a full trackday on them and didn't suffer one bit of fade

projectgtr

Onkle wrote: »

In around €700, that was just the fronts



They are too aggressive for the OEM discs, I've been told they'll just destroy them.

I know of a car running Endless pads and discs on the front and it got 95% brake effort in the NCT, which is pretty amazing tbh.

Also I know of a Subaru Impreza STI that did a full trackday on them and didn't suffer one bit of fade

i know how good they are they were one of my top choices i just didnt think they were that aggressive to the disk, like i said im running a full aggressive track pad and im doing fine, and not one bit of brake fade on a full track day, i even broke them in on track (as specified:cool:) like i said could also be the fact im running a lighter car that it doesnt have as much of an impact on my the only thing i dislike is that they need to heat up so i just have to keep reminding myself that when i hop into the car in the morning

Owen

That sort of money for discs and pads is mental. I got my 6 piston 320mm setup from the states for not much more!

Gary ITR

PaintDoctor wrote: »

That sort of money for discs and pads is mental. I got my 6 piston 320mm setup from the states for not much more!

Honda (that's what I got the quote for) brakes are mental money atm, secondhand spoon calipers for the DC2 Integra are fething over €1100

projectgtr

Onkle wrote: »

Honda (that's what I got the quote for) brakes are mental money atm, secondhand spoon calipers for the DC2 Integra are fething over €1100

Would an OEM upgraded calipers (legend/NSX??) with larger OEM blanks to be a cheaper and better option, well depending on your wheel choice.

Ill be going 282mm MG Disks up front with larger prelude calipers and a decent brakes, plenty of time attack lads are using this setup with great results. that will be more than enough stopping power for my EK on and off the track. Have a look on EK9.org there are some really good brake threads on there and some very good brake specialists on there. Worth a read up before you spend you money

Just my 2cent, let us know how you get on

Gary ITR

projectgtr wrote: »

Would an OEM upgraded calipers (legend/NSX??) with larger OEM blanks to be a cheaper and better option, well depending on your wheel choice.

Ill be going 282mm MG Disks up front with larger prelude calipers and a decent brakes, plenty of time attack lads are using this setup with great results. that will be more than enough stopping power for my EK on and off the track. Have a look on EK9.org there are some really good brake threads on there and some very good brake specialists on there. Worth a read up before you spend you money

Just my 2cent, let us know how you get on

I had no intention of buying Spoon calipers, just browsing really after I saw them on a car, the OEM brakes on the DC2's aren't half bad tbh, I have the UKDM so it's 282 from factory, I also want to keep my OEM wheels so if I ever did upgrade they must fit under 15'' wheels

metzengerstein

hhmmmm ill have to ask this question ,if i go ahead and order the set for my car i just have the original discs on .

about urban performance
i went around to them yesterday ,seem like a good crowd and nice lads , and all the things i need under one roof they even took a good bit of time and gave my car a good look over with me there and pointed out a few things and gave sugestions ,so very happy i went around

Gary ITR

metzengerstein wrote: »

hhmmmm ill have to ask this question ,if i go ahead and order the set for my car i just have the original discs on .

about urban performance
i went around to them yesterday ,seem like a good crowd and nice lads , and all the things i need under one roof they even took a good bit of time and gave my car a good look over with me there and pointed out a few things and gave sugestions ,so very happy i went around

What did Mick suggest? What he doesn't know about Honda and performance bits you could write on the back of a postage stamp tbh

JimmyCrackCorn

There are much cheaper OEM options for civics (assuming civic) to get a 280mm disks and larger callipers.

700 for pads alone they would want to be absolutely fantastic for that money

Gary ITR

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

700 for pads alone they would want to be absolutely fantastic for that money

And discs... unfortunately they are fantastic and I have a case of the 'wants'

TestTransmission

Onkle wrote: »

I know of a car running Endless pads and discs on the front and it got 95% brake effort in the NCT, which is pretty amazing tbh.

Just looking at my NCT back in June and I got 97% brake effort

metzengerstein

Onkle wrote: »

What did Mick suggest? What he doesn't know about Honda and performance bits you could write on the back of a postage stamp tbh

i got that impression alright .glad i went around

he tried one in it that he had ,but it didnt fit. its an older type model i need ssy type .i think the discs need changing though as the yhave a lip in them now

Gary ITR

TestTransmission wrote: »

Just looking at my NCT back in June and I got 97% brake effort

DC2 tegs generaly get between 65 and 80 so I've been told, just checked my last two 67 and 75

Gary ITR

metzengerstein wrote: »

i got that impression alright .glad i went around

he tried one in it that he had ,but it didnt fit. its an older type model i need ssy type .i think the discs need changing though as the yhave a lip in them now

I was in there myself yesterday afternoon and he mentioned somebody from boards was there looking at endless brakes alright.

What car have you got?

metzengerstein

was probably me alright.thinking of getting a few things from them.

ive a honda inspire

Atomic Pineapple

Do they have any other options?

XYZ or AP Racing?

XYZ are supposed to be just as good as Endless or AP Racing at a fraction of the cost.

Many huge powered Evo's, Skyline's, Impreza's are running big XYZ brake setups.

JimmyCrackCorn

There has to be a wilswood based kit for that car.

Its an accord running gear isnt it?

Wibbs

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

There has to be a wilswood based kit for that car.

Yea there is. Needs at least 16's on it for clearance IIRC.

Its an accord running gear isnt it?

Thought it was more Civic? Though prolly way off on that score.

As projectgtr siad you can also run NSX/Legend calipers on em. IIRC they need fettling to fit though. Fettling involving sparks and cuts on fingers too.

Unless you're getting into serious trackdays, the endless stuff seems to get great reviews. Even if you're doing trackdays.

It's a pretty light car, so stopping power wise the OEM's pretty bloody good. Has good feel too. I've driven one with the spoon jobs and I dint notice much extra in the anchors, but did note a better feel through the pedal. More dialable so to speak. You'd expect that with four pots mind. The Brembo brakes on the DC5 were nice I have to say for this reason.

If I was going to uprate the brakes, 1st thing I'd do is completely bleed and replace the brake fluid(DOT 4). Its hygroscopic so sucks moisture from the air like a big moisture vampire sucky thing and breaks down quicker than an X factor hopeful(if its 2 years or older, then its in need of a change, esp in damn old Ireland). Which means it boils more easily at lower temps. Not good. If your pedal feels squongy after a few laps, its more likely to be that and not your metal bits I reckon. You could run DOT 5 silicone based fluid, but IIRC you cant on ABS systems and the previous system must be completely flushed of the glycol based stuff. Your vintage lads use it a fair bit as it doesnt break down if the car is left idle, nor does it corrode, nor does it bugger your paintwork if it spills. It can bugger some rubber seals mind(and why you should never use silicone based cleaners on your rubber trim). The classics forum lads may be a better bet for advice on this.

Then change the brakelines for braided hoses. They do make a diff I found in the past, though have not gotten around to fitting them to my present jalopy yet.

Owen

XYZ's may be BBK's, but they are the bargain chicken bucket of big brake kits. Wilwood are much better for the money.

metzengerstein

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

There has to be a wilswood based kit for that car.

Its an accord running gear isnt it?

which car are you talking about

Atomic Pineapple

PaintDoctor wrote: »

XYZ's may be BBK's, but they are the bargain chicken bucket of big brake kits. Wilwood are much better for the money.

Do Wilwood do 355mm 2 piece Disks, 6 Pots Calipers that would fit the ST do you know by any chance?

Their website wont load for me

Owen

Check the TCE website, that's where I got mine.
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/

The boys there are unreal. They custom made brackets for my MINI at no extra charge. Not sure if the Focus ST is available stateside, but they'd surely be able to help out anyway with bits and pieces.

Gary ITR

metzengerstein wrote: »

was probably me alright.thinking of getting a few things from them.

ive a honda inspire

Would I have been behind you today on the n32?

metzengerstein

Onkle wrote: »

Would I have been behind you today on the n32?

could have been

Gary ITR

Nice car

metzengerstein

thanks dude ,its my fave car ever ,always wanted it when my dad owned it .and now i have full custody

what are you drivinmg

Gary ITR

metzengerstein wrote: »

thanks dude ,its my fave car ever ,always wanted it when my dad owned it .and now i have full custody

what are you drivinmg

Some roar off it too!

I have a DC2 Integra

mullingar

Onkle wrote: »

I know of a car running Endless pads and discs on the front and it got 95% brake effort in the NCT, which is pretty amazing tbh.

I have EBC discs and green stuff pads. I got 106% brake effort on my NCT. (98 Lexus GS300)

(front average was 5.1 kN, rear average was 3.9 kN)

The car weighs a heavy 1720kg, which makes it extra amazing

metzengerstein

Onkle wrote: »

Some roar off it too!

I have a DC2 Integra

there nice alright .i love the old stye integras the boxy shape

watson.robin

As Onkle eluded to with the impreza, that was me.

I got a set of the "Budget" endless pads for the front end of my 03 STi, running standard discs from Mick in Urban.

Car has covered about 9,000km with the pads on and still 1/2-1/3 left on them, including 2 track days.
I could do 20 mins on track in the try flatout without getting brake fade using these.

I think the ones i got were about €160 or so at the time. (In feb or march)