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  • 04-10-2010 7:12pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭


    As probably most of you don't know, in Poland (and few other EU states) it's not permitted to register RHD (right hand drive) car.
    EU commission made a complaint to Polish Government about it, as what they say, it's limiting the free transfer of goods between member states, so there's no reason for such limit.
    Polish government replied stating that it's all about safety. As RHD cars in right hand traffic are not safe, especially while overtaking. They state, that such cars limit drivers view, and as so, can't be registered as it's too dangerous.

    Since all these went into public, there seems to be endless discussions between those who are for, and those who are against such a limit.

    I'm just curious what do you guys think?
    Does anyone drive LHD car in Ireland? I know many of yous was going on holidays to the Continent, so you might know how is it to drive the car with the steering wheel on the wrong side (according to traffic).
    Do you think such cars are safe? (I mean RHD cars in left hand traffic, or LHD cars in right hand traffic ).

    Please give some opinions, as I'm just curious.

    PS. I they came with idea to forbid registering LHD cars in Ireland, would you support it. Would you think it could increase road safety and save some lives?


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Of course a lhd car is more dangerous here. Insuring one is accordingly pricier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    At the moment all my vehicles are left hand drive and I have absolutely no problems with that.

    I have to say though that both vehicles are vans (VW T3 and a camper on Iveco Daily basis) so I do sit high up and can look over normal cars and both vehicles are rather slow, so overtaking is a fairly rare occasion (and it doesn't hurt so much to stay behind a truck a bit longer because I can't see).

    But with enough distance even overtaking a truck isn't a problem as you can see past it once you stay far enough behind (just on these occasions my gutless vehicles are no good for a quick and safe overtaking maneuvre, so I don't)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Of course a lhd car is more dangerous here. Insuring one is accordingly pricier.

    In a left hand bend you can see much better in a LHD car :D ...so it's only "more dangerous " in right handers.

    Not all insurance companies load LHD cars


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭bladebrew


    i dont think it would be a problem on a motorway, but i can see it being a problem on a single carriageway, it would be tricky to overtake,

    i saw a lhd PL reg truck today trying to get out of a junction at an angle where he needed to be looking to the right, its hard to describe but i have no idea how he did it safely! that looked dangerous,


  • Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There are as dangerous or as safe as the driver. Few years ago as a 25 year old rep on a new Mondeo I was travelling back from Rathmore in Kerry to Cork City on a dark winters evening, was keen to get home and was driving fairly rapidly. Car in front of me doing 50mph that I would have liked to overtake, road was twisty, visibility was bad so it was a non runner, lhd car behind me passed me and the car in front :eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,729 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    In Ireland you can register a LHD Taxi perfectly legally, having a Taxi as LHD is insane. There is a Peugeot Taxi in dublin which is LHD.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭snowman707


    peasant wrote: »
    In a left hand bend you can see much better in a LHD car :D ...so it's only "more dangerous " in right handers.

    Not all insurance companies load LHD cars


    far more dangerous for overtaking, especially in the country roads i drive slow moving vehicles, have seen numerous near misses from tourists, i always pull in when it is safe to do so, but some won't wait & just pop over the white line often tailgating with absolutely no view of oncoming traffic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭alanmc


    I drove my LHD in Ireland for over 2 years. As was mentioned earlier, on left hand bends I had the advantage. Motorway driving was no problem at all. There are a few annoying things though:

    - toll booths and pay car parks.
    - turning left at a junction, I had to position my self in the middle of the lane so I could see to the right. This gave other drivers the impression I was going right or straight on. I'd often be cut up on the inside because of this.

    Having said all this, I never felt so much at a disadvantage to be less safe than my RHD compatriates.

    I drive a RHD now. But I'd be almost as happy driving LHD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,128 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I've driven RHD extensively on the continent. The biggest problem with 'wrong side' wheels I can see is overtaking on single carriageway roads, I suspect you'd be driven demented if you had an LHD car here and lived along the N4/N5/N21 etc. For city and motorway/DC driving I don't see them as any more dangerous.

    Refusing to allow 'wrong side' cars to be registered is usually protectionism of domestic sales and taxes; although I don't see where a supply of RHD cars would come flooding in to Poland from!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    If they restricted LHD cars here that would put a bullet in the dreams of a Classic US Muscle car collection. I wouldnt support it, afaik there is no data to back the safety angle here. In Poland, Im told (by Polish people) there are main roads with massive Soviet Era tank grooves still in them, back roads that turn to mud and a mental number of fatal crashes. They have their own issues on the roads, what they do isnt relevant to us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    MYOB wrote: »

    Refusing to allow 'wrong side' cars to be registered is usually protectionism of domestic sales and taxes; although I don't see where a supply of RHD cars would come flooding in to Poland from!

    After Poland joined EU, there was a massive flood of secondhand cars from the west, mostly Germany, as they were cheaper then in Poland.
    If they'd allow RHD cars most likely there would be another flood of second hand cars from UK, as they are cheaper then on Continent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    If they restricted LHD cars here that would put a bullet in the dreams of a Classic US Muscle car collection.
    They still could make exception for classics. The same applies in Poland. Classics can be both RHD and LHD.
    I wouldnt support it, afaik there is no data to back the safety angle here. In Poland, Im told (by Polish people) there are main roads with massive Soviet Era tank grooves still in them, back roads that turn to mud and a mental number of fatal crashes. They have their own issues on the roads, what they do isnt relevant to us.

    Can I ask what are "tank grooves" as I have no idea.
    Back roads that turn to mud??? There is some bad roads with potholes, but they don't turn into mud. To be honest many country roads in the west of Ireland are much worse than any road's i've seen in Poland.
    Number of road fatalities, is almost twice bigger (per number of citizens) as in Ireland. I think that's very bad, but there's many different factors that cause it. It's not the subject of this thread though.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,788 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    One unexpected benefit of driving "on the wrong side" I found with a RHD car on the continent was on small narrow country roads it was great to be sitting beside the verge as it allowed you to see how far out you could safely drive when you meet oncoming cars. But yeah, overtaking and right hand bends were tricky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,378 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    In Ireland you can register a LHD Taxi perfectly legally, having a Taxi as LHD is insane. There is a Peugeot Taxi in dublin which is LHD.

    Why - is there ever an opportunity to overtake in Dublin? Of course LHD is perfect for the M50 as the only generally available overtaking lane is the leftmost.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    peasant wrote: »
    At the moment all my vehicles are left hand drive and I have absolutely no problems with that.

    Your ability to safely overtake must be severely limited.
    I've drove a couple of LHDs and hated it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭loobylou


    Drive a LHD camper and find the main problem is emerging left from a junction.
    To get proper visibility I have to take an incorrect road position, even though I'm signalling left, traffic behind me thinks I'm turning right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    CiniO wrote: »
    Can I ask what are "tank grooves" as I have no idea.
    Back roads that turn to mud??? There is some bad roads with potholes, but they don't turn into mud. To be honest many country roads in the west of Ireland are much worse than any road's i've seen in Poland.
    Number of road fatalities, is almost twice bigger (per number of citizens) as in Ireland. I think that's very bad, but there's many different factors that cause it. It's not the subject of this thread though.

    Heavy military equipment (I guess not just tanks) leaves an imprint in the road surface. Over time the imprint gets deeper due to traffic and weather conditions, freeze thaw etc. Im told it almost becomes like "free cruise control" as it acts like a rail.

    Regarding bad roads in the West of Ireland.. I think you will find most of the population in Ireland lives in the East, so I statistically the roads can get away with being worse in the West. Poland would appear to have, on average, a worse road network in many ways but as stated, whats good for Polish roads has little bearing here, just too different. Maybe banning RHD makes sense there?

    You kinda seem to be debating what Ive been told, why would they be lying?

    Edit: This is the type of "mud" road Ive seen before, the road to Lubuskie
    m2.jpg
    Maybe a 4 x 4 vehicle is rather more thirsty than a standard car, and, therefore not particularly eco-friendly. But, in Poland, apart from the fun factor, a 4WD is very useful method of transport for navigating fairly normal Polish roads! Many roads, outside of places like Warsaw, are very uneven; full of potholes; covered with gravel and mud; cobblestoned; or little more than mud tracks. Here's a photo (taken yesterday) of one such Polish road, which leads to a village in Lubuskie I visit often
    From the 4x4 Section of "PolandPoland.com". Ive driven around Donegal and the Islands and Ive never seen roads like that here, you are saying you have seen worse roads "in the West".. where exactly?



    Regarding the Classic Exemption, Id rather I not have to wait for Classic status or put up with the whims of some accountants and their definition of whats classic and whats not! LHD cars are fine here, not ideal, but "fine".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Regarding the Classic Exemption, Id rather I not have to wait for Classic status or put up with the whims of some accountants and their definition of whats classic and whats not! LHD cars are fine here, not ideal, but "fine".

    I actually agree with most of what you're saying but I'm not sure about this.
    In a RHD you've got a clear view of the road ahead when you're behind traffic.
    In a LHD, if there's another vehicle in front of you,
    you don't have a clue what's happening, unless you're high up.
    I'm surprised they're here legal TBH, seeing as how we can be so strict concerning certain things with cars...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    In a RHD you've got a clear view of the road ahead when you're behind traffic.
    In a LHD, if there's another vehicle in front of you,
    you don't have a clue what's happening, unless you're high up.

    Well, consider that in a RHD or LHD you spend a large amount of time behind vans, SUVs, buses etc and you then cannot actually see the road ahead at all.

    I think the pulling out at junctions and turning left plus overtaking would be harder in a LHD car (not SUV), but it certainly doesnt seem like there are lots of LHD crashes does it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    CiniO wrote: »
    As probably most of you don't know, in Poland (and few other EU states) it's not permitted to register RHD (right hand drive) car.
    Actually, I didn't know that...........so I'd love to know why this drives around near me: naturally, I have a theory, but I'd love know some specific's about the reg of this and where it comes from.......

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    Now, on your original question: I actually have no issue at all, and if, if, I can clear some space in the garage, my next 'nice' car will probably be LHD. For one thing, if/when I sell it, I'll have a whole continent into which to sell it, instead of the trap I'm in now, with a RHD car.

    I've also driven LHD here, and I found it no issue at all.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Well, consider that in a RHD or LHD you spend a large amount of time behind vans, SUVs, buses etc and you then cannot actually see the road ahead at all.

    I think the pulling out at junctions and turning left plus overtaking would be harder in a LHD car (not SUV), but it certainly doesnt seem like there are lots of LHD crashes does it?

    You can see the road, but obviously only when it lies right.
    In A LHD you'll never have the opportunity to see around the right hand side of a vehicle that's directly in front of you.

    Don't know the figures for LHD crashes, I'd like to though, genuinely interested.
    Obviously they'd be a small proportion of the overall figure because there are so few of them in the country.
    Proportionally though, it'd be interesting to see if they cause more or less accidents than RHD cars...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Actually, I didn't know that...........so I'd love to know why this drives around near me: naturally, I have a theory, but I'd love know some specific's about the reg of this and where it comes from.......
    Lol, is the number one theory its a UK / Irish car with Polish plates on to avoid Cameras and Tolls? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Actually, I didn't know that...........so I'd love to know why this drives around near me: naturally, I have a theory, but I'd love know some specific's about the reg of this and where it comes from.......

    http://www.autoex.pl/tablice_rejestracyjne/wojewodztwo-opolskie/rejestracja,OPR,prudnik.html

    That registration is from place called Prudnik in Poland.
    I actually disbelieve it's legal.
    I can see few ways he could do it.
    1. He could register a car in Poland, but never took it to the test centre, so the car was never legal. He could actually get a stamp from test centre just by bribing the tester. In Poland he would be stopped by police probably in next few days. But in Ireland no one even knows it's illegal.
    2. He could just put the plates from different car registered in Poland, to the Irish or UK car.

    Anyway - it must be illegal.

    And he actually can gain on it a lot. On Polish plates he can avoid paying Irish road tax, Irish insurance. He doesn't really have to care about tolls and speed cameras. But it's all up to the time he will be caught.
    Maybe even you should get interested a bit more in this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Lol, is the number one theory its a UK / Irish car with Polish plates on to avoid Cameras and Tolls? :pac:

    And tax and insurance.
    There's not road tax in Poland, and Insurance is very cheap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Heavy military equipment (I guess not just tanks) leaves an imprint in the road surface. Over time the imprint gets deeper due to traffic and weather conditions, freeze thaw etc. Im told it almost becomes like "free cruise control" as it acts like a rail.

    Hahahah.
    You must have been talking to them just after Second World War ;)
    Why would the heavy military equipment be travelling on public roads?

    Regarding bad roads in the West of Ireland.. I think you will find most of the population in Ireland lives in the East, so I statistically the roads can get away with being worse in the West.
    Probably most. But are the ones who live in the west forgotten?
    On the road I drive to work (R335) there's at least one new pothole every day, and for the last half a year there was nothing done about it.
    There's two lanes (one each way) in theory (and painted on the road), but each lane in many places is way less then 2m wide, which makes it very difficult to pass.
    After last winter, one road near my village looked like after bombing. There was (I guess) about 5 potholes on average on every square meter.
    I know that's very rural area, but it's really bad, especially for Ireland, which is the country with one of the highest GDP per person over the world.

    Poland would appear to have, on average, a worse road network in many ways but as stated, whats good for Polish roads has little bearing here, just too different. Maybe banning RHD makes sense there?
    I still disagree. Polish road network increased in the last 10 years a lot.
    There's good few motorways now. Only problem is the traffic which is very big, as a lot of heavy transit from Asia to Europe goes through Poland.
    But even an rural country roads are way wider and less bumpy then Irish rural roads. Maybe surface can be bit worse, bit it's much more difficult to keep surface in proper condition when you get -20 degrees in the winter and +40 during the summer.

    You kinda seem to be debating what Ive been told, why would they be lying?

    Maybe they were not lying, but just adding a bit of spice to their story ;)
    Edit: This is the type of "mud" road Ive seen before, the road to Lubuskie
    m2.jpg

    From the 4x4 Section of "PolandPoland.com". Ive driven around Donegal and the Islands and Ive never seen roads like that here, you are saying you have seen worse roads "in the West".. where exactly?

    Never seen a road like that in Ireland.
    But also never seen a road like that in Poland either.
    That's some kind of a joke. It's not a road but just probably farmers path for tractors.

    If you're interested here's few videos of Polish roads.
    First one in Krakow city
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IscC-2tcIzw

    Second is some rural road in north Poland.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDIBRsyKoPM&feature=related

    I don't think they are so bad.
    Regarding the Classic Exemption, Id rather I not have to wait for Classic status or put up with the whims of some accountants and their definition of whats classic and whats not! LHD cars are fine here, not ideal, but "fine".

    Thanks for your opinion ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,074 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    In Ireland you can register a LHD Taxi perfectly legally, having a Taxi as LHD is insane.
    If you're getting in and out of the vehicle a lot, LHD is safer, as you are beside the kerb/verge. In the US, I saw a lot of RHD mail jeeps.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Drove both on opposite sides.. no issues.

    Only pain was in Car Parks and Drive-Thrus.

    Safety Wise theres not much of a difference, if you can't see you cant go.

    Its Easier checking your blind spot while motorway driving in a RHD on the right ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭kbell


    Road sweepers here are lhd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,729 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    esel wrote: »
    If you're getting in and out of the vehicle a lot, LHD is safer, as you are beside the kerb/verge. In the US, I saw a lot of RHD mail jeeps.

    Yes for vehicles doing deliveries but Taxis are carrying passengers who must get in and out of the vehicle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    CiniO wrote: »
    Hahahah.
    You must have been talking to them just after Second World War ;)
    Why would the heavy military equipment be travelling on public roads?

    Never seen a road like that in Ireland.
    But also never seen a road like that in Poland either.
    That's some kind of a joke. It's not a road but just probably farmers path for tractors.

    I don't think they are so bad.



    Thanks for your opinion ;)

    Well I dunno, Im just repeated what I heard from (supposedly trusted)
    sources, Ive never been there and Im not claiming first hand on any of this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 qkorica


    Hi ALL!

    I have a lil problem with my left hand drive 3000gt to insure .I do not find any insurance company who insure this kind of car by online! Infact is more higher price like RHD,and a small engine cars ,but i dont care realy ,just let me insure! Actually this is a import car with modifications(exhaust ,wheels,breaks,etc) ,this car originaly from US,first registred on NI ,and now registred in Republic of Ireland.I bought this car to go cross europe like a roadtrip,and leave the car in Hungary,in my garage,... til i get feeling again to do another trip around europe. The car was registred and vrt'd but never paid roadtax or insured in R . of Ireland.I like to drive out from Ireland and do my trip (around 4000miles) and here i dont find any insurer who give me quote for.I have 30 days to fix!!!
    Anyone can give me some info, to do how, or wich company insure LHD modded sportcoupe's?
    Thanks!
    Regards
    Thomas;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    qkorica wrote: »
    I do not find any insurance company who insure this kind of car by online!

    Online quotes only work for very standard cases. None that I know of quote for LHD vehicles

    In your case you really have to ring the insurances companies and/or brokers or even better, turn up at their offices with the car parked outside


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 qkorica


    Hi Peasant!
    Thanx 4 the quick answer!
    Am afraid i cant show up on the front of the Insurence office's,cose i have no roadtax ,and i cant get til i dont insure the car.I fixed by phone,but they said no quote for this kind of car,and recomend to call a local insurence broker.so now i will look after some broker,it means this will be more expensive like a direct quote! Unfortunatly! i have no claim bonus,16 years full license,but still hard to get quote...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Try your local AXA office, they insured my (apparently exotic) LHD Syncro for a fair price after some coaxing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Drove both on opposite sides.. no issues.

    Only pain was in Car Parks and Drive-Thrus.

    Safety Wise theres not much of a difference, if you can't see you cant go.

    Its Easier checking your blind spot while motorway driving in a RHD on the right ;)
    Toll booths in France are a curse if you don't have a passenger.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 ✭✭✭meathstevie


    CiniO wrote: »
    Hahahah.
    You must have been talking to them just after Second World War ;)
    Why would the heavy military equipment be travelling on public roads?
    .....
    QUOTE]

    Because Poland was the Soviet's poor infrastructure buffer to be turned into a massive battlefield between Russia and big NATO boogyman West Germany and whatever NATO forces based there in case of a conventional conflict with NATO during the Cold War.

    Don't forget that during the Cold War NATO had thousands of heavy armoured units and mechanised rapid deployment infantry ( American, British, West German, Belgian, .... ) units based in West Germany and on top of that a massive airforce on bases in West Germany, Holland and Belgium to provide top cover.

    The Soviets just weren't as nice as for example the British and Americans who'd put their tanks on massive trains and lorries and ship them from base to base in West Germany. The Soviets just churned up East German and Polish roads and to hell with the locals.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 210 ✭✭996tt


    galwaytt wrote: »
    , my next 'nice' car will probably be LHD. For one thing, if/when I sell it, I'll have a whole continent into which to sell it, instead of the trap I'm in now, with a RHD car.

    It would want to be something very very special and rare for a continental person to travel all the way from their country to ireland and drive the car back to their home.

    For one it would be very expensive for them(fuel, boats, flights, accomodation), second they would need to take a few days of work, third there are generally nicer cars in better nick in the continent for less money(after vrt hit), cars that have never been subject to the crap west of ireland roads

    considering the above going to the UK makes so much more sense from a financial point of view


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    The Soviets just weren't as nice as for example the British and Americans who'd put their tanks on massive trains and lorries and ship them from base to base in West Germany. The Soviets just churned up East German and Polish roads and to hell with the locals.

    OT, but what the heck ...

    The Americans weren't that nice either, they just stipulated that every little bit of road infrastructre in Germany had to be able to support a heavy tank.

    Guess who paid for thousands of over-engineered bridges on roads to nowhere? (Hint: it wasn't the yanks)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    996tt wrote: »
    It would want to be something very very special and rare for a continental person to travel all the way from their country to ireland and drive the car back to their home.

    For one it would be very expensive for them(fuel, boats, flights, accomodation), second they would need to take a few days of work, third there are generally nicer cars in better nick in the continent for less money(after vrt hit), cars that have never been subject to the crap west of ireland roads

    considering the above going to the UK makes so much more sense from a financial point of view

    Cars are cheaper in Ireland and the UK now than in Germany.

    I see about 20 - 30 Polish registered Jeeps towing a trailer with 2 cars on the back on English and Irish regs on the way from Holland to Germany, must get the Harwich - Hoek Van Holland ferry.

    Nearly alway RHD too ...I've always wondered why they do it :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭Winger_PL


    Driving LHD on Irish or British roads is dangerous, as much as driving RHD on the continent. I drove my Irish car to Poland for holidays and while motorways/towns were fairly OK, it was a nightmare following trucks or buses on the local single-lane roads as trying to overtake is suicidal.

    I'd happily see a ban on registering LHD's around here and RHD's on the continent, the Polish government is a voice of reason in this case. A ban doesn't prevent bringing in a car for a short period of time, e.g. holidays, and they still allow registering RHD in Poland in special cases like e.g. vintage cars.

    BTW: I find the roads in Poland and Ireland to be of pretty much equal quality (after living in Ireland for over 6 years).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    peasant wrote: »
    OT, but what the heck ...

    The Americans weren't that nice either, they just stipulated that every little bit of road infrastructre in Germany had to be able to support a heavy tank.

    Guess who paid for thousands of over-engineered bridges on roads to nowhere? (Hint: it wasn't the yanks)

    So now in 2010, which looks to have been the better approach for the local populace? ;)?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 qkorica


    Well, you are right Peasant! Axa give me a quote finaly ,1300 a year (with protected no claim bonus) comprehensive kind. But i dont belive til i dont recive the form!
    Am just wondering on my roadtax amount, which is 300-500 euro a 1/4year (in my country :Hungary,when u fill your car by fuel u already paid the roadtax!!!About 1/3 of fuel price is roadtax there.Here you pay same for petrol and the goverment rip you a fat bill of roadtax too!)
    Thanx again!
    Regards!
    Thomas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 qkorica


    Hi!
    The answer why they do is : Here the price of the similar car there about 3 times expensive!
    Only have to convert,originaly 90% of the world cars convertable,just have to change dashboard,and few lil doorpanel switch ,like mirror-window-etc switchs,
    I do same !
    For example my 3000gt at home same age ( or older!) 10000euro,here i get 3000 in bad condition,1000spend already on it almost everything new like tyres,discs(brembo!) pads,belts,battery,sparks,oils,etc
    Another thing is if u wanna registry there ,about 4000euro!
    But i can use with this Irish license plate,without registry for 6mounth!
    So if somebody live here most of the year,no any problem!
    In Hungary the problem is a lot american(,Slovakian,Germanian also) car on us plate!
    But the nicest is they cant punished speed camera,parking illegaly,parking without pay,
    So if u have a sports car or just like to be a bit antisocial this way is handy for u!
    Another thing is the commercials is the best deal to transport and sell there (Poland,Hungary,etc) cose no registry tax just a hence symbolic price! ;0)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    CiniO wrote: »
    I'm just curious what do you guys think?
    Does anyone drive LHD car in Ireland?
    I used to drive a LHD car for good few years. I have to say it all depends on the driver, not the car you drive. The car is not unsafe, it is the way you use it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    CiniO wrote: »
    After Poland joined EU, there was a massive flood of secondhand cars from the west, mostly Germany, as they were cheaper then in Poland.
    In fairness, cars in Germany are more expensive than in Poland, as long as they are in very good condition. Only average condition and faulty or damaged cars are a bit cheaper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 qkorica


    You right!
    I actually start drive on the different side (am hungarian,and i learn anno left system!) first in Indonesia 2000,3 days ,that was realy dangerous,when i rent a 150cc bike and came out the yard to the road a track hit the front my wheel (the bike rental owner start run after me!) am just fix quick my damage on the bike and start my 300miles cross the volcano (Bali) to Denpasar in monsun season!2 time 2005,1week here in Ireland ,Dublin a car, rent again and go into the unknown Dublin downtown,i lived then Dundrum area,Then i get normaly,cose when the traffic is heavy u just flow with .This night i get 2 garda control,both was funny (the 2 gardi stop me cose i was on the wrong line front of the police car! 3 time japan, there was ok,everybody ,and everything like one big system!4 time Nu Zealand 4000miles by a campervan ,ther was easy everybody relax,no heavy traffic,big land,specialy the south -island,5 here ireland again but now a LHD 3000gt ,and i give up now,for this roads only jeeps,tracks, ...come on ! ...if pump a bit soo dangerous,if i dont also ,the roads so narrow,every times hit my mirrors or curb my wheels,so dangerous drive on this narrow roads with no escape cose everywhere high stonefences,to make sure someone or you hit frontal each other!
    And the full joke is u have to pay tax for this road???!!!! ;0))))))
    My next vehicle here is a high jeep,am sure!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 flugus


    The most important issue in my opinion is that you have to cultivate a bit of patience concerning overtaking on ordinary roads. Sure, the other thing is situations like toll booths and car park tickets if you don't have a handy passenger next to you. Also of course the higher insurance.
    I have driven RHDs on the continent (many years) and LHDs here and in the UK (still doing it) and have never had an accident. The big advantage on the country lanes is that you can gauge the distance between yourself and the ditch or stone wall more easily.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    I heard the government here wants to ban LHB motorbikes, anyone else hear this?


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