Cheating in exams getting easier due to newer technology on phones

veryangryman

Now that some networks offer free web browse, dont you think that a student can now do the following during state exams

1. Bring in iphone and turn off
2. Go to the loo
3. Google Gladstone or whatever
4. Use it

What would stop Joey the Junior Cert Jock or Leo the Leaving Cert Layabout from trying this? The connection speeds offered by the phones would even diminish any potential suspicion of the student "taking alot of time in there"

MagicMarker

They do this anyway, with... you know.... paper.

Biggins

Simple solution.
All phones to be left at home during exams, or left outside room itself for duration of test.

Pookah

Phone blockers are cheap and I'm sure some provision could be made for the technology to be used during exams.

JohnathanM

How long is it going to take to read up on a topic, specific to the question you're trying to answer? How many times are you able to go for a slash without attracting suspicion?

Might bum a few marks, but that makes no difference really. You know your stuff, or you don't. Let them try that crap for final year exams at degree level and see how far they get.

karlog

Students should undergo a full body cavity search before entering exams.

Scuid Mhór

phones weren't allowed inside the examination hall when i was doing my junior cert in june. you had to leave them outside where they were looked after. clearly they weren't looked after very well because my friend got his iphone stolen.

speaking from experience, your phone really doesn't help you in exam situations. google/wikipedia gives you too much irrelevant information, especially when it comes to science subjects.

MrStuffins

veryangryman wrote: »

What would stop Joey the Junior Cert Jock or Leo the Leaving Cert Layabout from trying this?

With names like this, you'd think they'd be prime suspects for cheating already?

flash1080

People who cheat in exams are thick, exams are piss easy, and they're made easier every year.

bleg

Do what they do in university, all phones on the ground turned off.

DebDynamite

veryangryman wrote: »

Joey the Junior Cert Jock or Leo the Leaving Cert Layabout

Is that you, David McWilliams?

i like pie

it's happening already! i know of someone who sat in the lc pre's with their iphone in their lap the whole time. no one knows if this person did the same for the actual lc but you could get away with it quite easily!

KevR

bleg wrote: »

Do what they do in university, all phones on the ground turned off.

+1

For NUIG exams you're not supposed to bring phones into the exam hall. They make an announcement before every exam saying that if you are found to be in possession of a phone it will be deemed to be a breach of exam regulations....

mickdw

JohnathanM wrote: »

You know your stuff, or you don't. Let them try that crap for final year exams at degree level and see how far they get.

Well if you are saying cheating doesnt happen in final year college exams, you are rather naive.
In the more technical exams where one bit of info might unlock a complete question, a trip to the toilet to check some info could help no end. It was actually sickening to see the behaviour of some people on my course making a trip to the toilet for almost very question

skregs

MagicMarker wrote: »

They do this anyway, with... you know.... paper.

pay purr? Is that the stuff they used to make books out of before iPads?


Seriously OP, go into the toilet during a two hour exam, wikipedia Gladstone, memorise the information, and then write an essay using memorised information.

Or you know, you could actually learn the stuff beforehand, saving you having to pretend to have diarrhoea during the exam.

Mark200

State exams are annoyingly easy to cheat in. I haven't cheated, but I know I would have been able to if I wanted. First of all, they don't search you. Your phone could easily be sitting in your pocket the whole time... no one would know.

Second of all, even if they did make you empty your pockets... girls could stuff half a book down their bras if they wanted. And then just ask to go to the toilet when they're stuck, and read the relevant pages in there.

JohnathanM

mickdw wrote: »

Well if you are saying cheating doesnt happen in final year college exams, you are rather naive.
In the more technical exams where one bit of info might unlock a complete question, a trip to the toilet to check some info could help no end. It was actually sickening to see the behaviour of some people on my course making a trip to the toilet for almost very question

I'm not naive, I know it goes on. Point I didn't make well was that it is easier to have a piece of paper or two in your back pocket geared toward exactly what you need to know, than hop online and dredge through references. Point taken, though.

shg101

JohnathanM wrote: »

I'm not naive, I know it goes on. Point I didn't make well was that it is easier to have a piece of paper or two in your back pocket geared toward exactly what you need to know, than hop online and dredge through references. Point taken, though.

Still, it's much more useful to have your notes stored electronically than to have a couple of bits of paper (and if you're caught you've no leg to stand on) or to rely on Wikipedia or googling.

MrStuffins

RING JOE DUFFY TOMORROW AND GET iPHONES TAKEN OFF THE MARKET!!!

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!!!!!!!

DingosAteMyBaby

I actually did this during a crappy class test in 5th year one time. Turns out one of the questions wasn't supposed to be on the test because we hadn't covered it, yet I had a word perfect answer. Teacher called me up in front of the class and praised me for doing extra work at home and taking the initiative to work ahead on my own. Felt like a right bollox after that:P

El_Dangeroso

i like pie wrote: »

it's happening already! i know of someone who sat in the lc pre's with their iphone in their lap the whole time. no one knows if this person did the same for the actual lc but you could get away with it quite easily!

Isn't cheating in your pre's like cheating in an internet IQ test? I mean really, what's the point?

KittyeeTrix

KevR wrote: »

+1

For NUIG exams you're not supposed to bring phones into the exam hall. They make an announcement before every exam saying that if you are found to be in possession of a phone it will be deemed to be a breach of exam regulations....

I sat my 2nd year exams in Nuig this summer past and we were allowed to bring our phones into the Bailey hall and leave them under the chairs.....

pakb1ue

Same in NUIM you have to leave your phone switched off and on the floor under you desk.

Also its a lot easier to cheat in the state exams then college exams like for the LC you have some teacher reading a book at the top of the room who couldnt care less while at college they route through you pencil case, calculator and walk past your desk every 5 minutes. As for the people going toilet the people who escorted you during the LC were students the year below you while at college it the individuator.

Herb Powell

eh, tbh it's easier to just learn the stuff in the first place

MrStuffins

Herb Powell wrote: »

eh, tbh it's easier to just learn the stuff in the first place

You think it's easier to learn an entire syllibus than it is to go to the toilet and Google something?

Mother of Mary!

shg101

Herb Powell wrote: »

eh, tbh it's easier to just learn the stuff in the first place

I knew they had dumbed things down a bit, but...

veryangryman

Stuff like multiple choice (and i know that isnt asked so much in the latter years) is p1ss easy to cheat at

Simple system.

Scenario: Full class of mates agree on this system for multiple choice Qs where there are 4 choices

To quote question number, cough the number of times that corresponds to the Q number.

If answer is (a), scratch left ear
If answer is (b), scratch right ear
If answer is (c), put pen on left hand side of table
If answer is (d), put pen on right side of table

I cheated (a little) here and there during the years - i find it hard to find people who didnt. Even if it was the odd copied assignment/code etc where you didnt have a bulls notion what they were on about.

Honestly can you tell me you've gone 1 lecture ever fully understanding the material when you were 19-20? Moderate cheating FTW (but dont take the piss - i want future co-workers to have half a notion of what im talking about )

ILA

Last year when I was doing it, it was still conventional pen and paper cheating. Once or twice the cheats had to supplement this by going to the toilets to check an answer stored on their phone.

Obviously technology makes it easier, like I had been considering the use of a bluetooth "dot sized" earpiece which fits into the ear and marketed it to others, but no one actually bothered getting it and the results were very much as expected. None of the individuals who cheated benefitted in any measurable way, maybe they scraped over the line and got a Leaving Cert but they certainly didn't make Trinity or even an I.T. whereas honest people like myself and others made it to college and are getting on with life.

Really, for me it's just not worth the risk, expense and effort when I've thankfully got a very good memory for exam material and am able to regurgitate it and dress it up well enough to get a decent grade.

jimthemental

I remember I memorised an entire formula sheet before my final exams and reproduced it at the start of the test and worked stuff from that. Knew nothing except the formulas going in and passed well. Seriously if you cram properly there's no need to cheat.

I don't like cheats. It's no different from stealing someone's pint.

LizT

Biggins wrote: »

Simple solution.
All phones to be left at home during exams, or left outside room itself for duration of test.

People would just bring along an old phone and leave that outside, keeping their real phone with them.

LizT

veryangryman wrote: »

Stuff like multiple choice (and i know that isnt asked so much in the latter years) is p1ss easy to cheat at

Simple system.

Scenario: Full class of mates agree on this system for multiple choice Qs where there are 4 choices

To quote question number, cough the number of times that corresponds to the Q number.

If answer is (a), scratch left ear
If answer is (b), scratch right ear
If answer is (c), put pen on left hand side of table
If answer is (d), put pen on right side of table

I cheated (a little) here and there during the years - i find it hard to find people who didnt. Even if it was the odd copied assignment/code etc where you didnt have a bulls notion what they were on about.

Honestly can you tell me you've gone 1 lecture ever fully understanding the material when you were 19-20? Moderate cheating FTW (but dont take the piss - i want future co-workers to have half a notion of what im talking about )

What happens when it's question 64? 64 coughs would sound just a little suspicious!