Bow hunter

tfox

Ok guys was in the process of stalking up on a nice red pricket which suddenly got spooked and scarpered. I knew he hadnt seen me or got wind of me so was a bit miffed.That was until my friend who had been waiting back in the next field told me a fella dressed head to toe in camo sporting a compound bow had come strolling downwind of the animals right across the middle of the field
He came to within 40 yds of my friend who made his prescence known by walkling out from the undergrowth and saying "morning" at wich point the chap did a swift 90dergree turn and heade off away from us at an increased pace !! I saw none of this as I was in next field. by time I heard bout him he was nowhere to be seen, but did glimpse hime few hours late long way off when I saw some hinds running for cover long ways off.We are the only people who have permision there and no-one else from our group was there that morning so have no idea who he was, so clearly a poacher ? But am I right that you are not allowed hunt game with a bow....?

declan1980

i'm pretty sure that hunting any animal with a bow is illegal in ireland

johngalway

tfox wrote: »

But am I right that you are not allowed hunt game with a bow....?

You are not allowed to hunt anything with a bow in Ireland.

deerhunter1

declan1980 wrote: »

i'm pretty sure that hunting any animal with a bow is illegal in ireland

Correct and right, pity you did not identify the Bugger:mad:

tfox

deerhunter1 wrote: »

Correct and right, pity you did not identify the Bugger:mad:

Yeah I know, was raging didnt get to have a chat and educate him a little !!

Feargal as Luimneach

Did he look like this?

Grizzly 45

Wont open Fegal.Sounds like somone who bought all the gear with no idea.:rolleyes: Walking around the place with a bow and arrow...Honestly!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

tfox

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Wont open Fegal.Sounds like somone who bought all the gear with no idea.:rolleyes: Walking around the place with a bow and arrow...Honestly!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yeah I cant open it either. Couldnt believe it myself, thought my mate was winding me up to be honest. What really pissed me off was that I'd been stalking the stag for nearly 30 mins waiting for a shot !!

deerhunter1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Wont open Fegal.Sounds like somone who bought all the gear with no idea.:rolleyes: Walking around the place with a bow and arrow...Honestly!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Try his

deerhunter1

dwighet wrote: »

Not even a rabbit?
Would like to see it in black and white..
Can anyone prove that vermin cannot be despatched by an arrow...

I know full well that game is a no no..

Dont know where I saw it was a long time ago also I inquired as I was once interested in hunting with a bow but it is strictly a no no for any type of hunting

johngalway

dwighet wrote: »

Not even a rabbit?
Would like to see it in black and white..
Can anyone prove that vermin cannot be despatched by an arrow...

I know full well that game is a no no..

I've sent off a couple of emails.

In the mean time if you'd like to try a test case with bow and bloody bunny in hand, fire ahead

deerhunter1

dwighet wrote: »

Im preety sure its ok for vermin,,Well it was 3 years ago when I was into it...
I got the nod about three years ago to shoot rabbits/foxes...maybe its changed now.

Ok from who explain Nod where can I get one

johngalway

dwighet wrote: »

Im preety sure its ok for vermin,,Well it was 3 years ago when I was into it...
I got the nod about three years ago to shoot rabbits/foxes...maybe its changed now.

Was the nod a "nod", or did you get that nod written down and signed?

I get the "nod" suggested a lot of times when I ask after stuff, but I wouldn't like to rely on it.

It wasn't me!

Here you go lads!

Section 34 of the Wildlife Act 1976. There's the source. The bit you're interested in is the following:

Wildlife Act wrote:

34.—(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section but subject to section 42, a person shall not—
( a ) hunt any wild bird or wild mammal by means of a trap, snare, net, line, hook, arrow, dart, spear or similar device, instrument or missile, or birdlime or any substance of a like nature, or any poisonous, poisoned or stupefying bait

johngalway

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Here you go lads!

Section 34 of the Wildlife Act 1976. There's the source. The bit you're interested in is the following:

Search option is crap on that (or I'm doing it wrong...), I put in "arrow" and got no results.

It wasn't me!

johngalway wrote: »

Search option is crap on that (or I'm doing it wrong...), I put in "arrow" and got no results.

It's a pain in the hole. I searched through the principal act, which I got from Conor's thread full of hunting law.

tac foley

johngalway wrote: »

I've sent off a couple of emails.

In the mean time if you'd like to try a test case with bow and bloody bunny in hand, fire ahead

Fire a gun.

Shoot a bow.

tac

johngalway

tac foley wrote: »

Fire a gun.

Shoot a bow.

tac

Ah huh, if I was talking pedantically about shooting bows, which I wasn't.

tac foley

dwighet wrote: »

Im not willing to give out names but I made a call to my Shooting insurance company and they looked into it for me...said I was fine to shoot rabbit and foxes....
The bow itself I brought back from the US..
Obviously the correct heads must be used to make a quick humane kill..

A 400 gn carbon fiber arrow at 300 fps with the right head is instant lights out for any rabbit..

Sir, your insurance shooting company is not the law and justice system of the Republic of Ireland.

Your insurance shooting company IS required to provide you with advice in accordance with the law.

Right now you have dangerously misinformed, as you can see by the post above, and told that you may break the law.

It needs for you to get it sorted out - quickly.

No doubt we'll get the hand-wringers here any minute now.

tac

tac foley

Doesn't hurt to get it right, Mr Galway. ;=)

tac

deerhunter1

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Here you go lads!

Section 34 of the Wildlife Act 1976. There's the source. The bit you're interested in is the following:

Ha Haaaaaaaa;)

tac foley

johngalway wrote: »

Search option is crap on that (or I'm doing it wrong...), I put in "arrow" and got no results.

Let me help a little -

Originally Posted by Wildlife Act
34.—(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section but subject to section 42, a person shall not—
( a ) hunt any wild bird or wild mammal by means of a trap, snare, net, line, hook, arrow, dart, spear or similar device, instrument or missile, or birdlime or any substance of a like nature, or any poisonous, poisoned or stupefying bait...

tac

deerhunter1

tac foley wrote: »

Fire a gun.

Shoot a bow.

tac

Discharge a:p gun

tac foley

deerhunter1 wrote: »

Discharge a:p gun

Ah, but you can also 'discharge' an arrow. From Old French 'decharger' - to unload, as in the discharge a boat et al.

tac

deerhunter1

tac foley wrote: »

Ah, but you can also 'discharge' an arrow. From Old French 'decharger' - to unload, as in the discharge a boat et al.

tac

Yep correct and right

Tackleberrywho

Also meaning of discharge, the English language Eh?
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johngalway

tac foley wrote: »

Let me help a little -

Originally Posted by Wildlife Act
34.—(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section but subject to section 42, a person shall not—
( a ) hunt any wild bird or wild mammal by means of a trap, snare, net, line, hook, arrow, dart, spear or similar device, instrument or missile, or birdlime or any substance of a like nature, or any poisonous, poisoned or stupefying bait...

tac

:rolleyes:

deerhunter1

johngalway wrote: »

:rolleyes:

:eek:

Grizzly 45

It is a great pity that is illegal here,as I would consider it more difficult and skillful,[after only trying it once in the New World many years ago] to actually do than hunting with a rifle.

tikkamark

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

It is a great pity that is illegal here,as I would consider it more difficult and skillful,[after only trying it once in the New World many years ago] to actually do than hunting with a rifle.

I personally wouldnt like to see bows legal for hunting here-as you say it is far more difficult to humainly kill any animal in comparison to a rifle

yank_in_eire

Those judo points are fine as long as you're shooting over ground that is as bald as a newborn's arse - but stick one little blade of grass between you and said bunny and see what happens when those little wire arms grab it!:D:p

Rabbits aren't that sturdy - a normal target point will put them down for good almost instantly when shot from a modern high-speed compound.

If it was legal here that is!:P:eek:

pedroeibar1

tac foley wrote: »

Fire a gun.

Shoot a bow.

tac

You don’t shoot a bow, you ‘loose’ an arrow.



You fire a gun, after which it is in a ‘discharged’ state. Fire, becausein the old days you brought the match to the touch-hole.
Dis – is from Latin, meaning away or apart (e.g. disbelief, disallow) Charge is from Latin carricare, to load, and is connected with cart, car, carriage, etc.
Pedantic about semantics..;)
P.

Sparks

dwighet wrote: »

Seriously lad..do you think this hitting a bunny at 20-30 yds at around 250-300 fps at a overall weight of 400grain would not be humane?

It's not so much whether a clean hit is going to be humane as whether or not a clean hit is going to be the normal outcome; and it's just not going to be, because people will miss more often. And frankly, nailing a bunny to the ground by it's rear leg isn't humane, it's only a step shy of abuse.

However, we're rapidly heading towards the area of discussing how to bowhunt here, which is illegal and not on, so let's steer away from that area please. Bad enough that we've had to ban one user off the site for that in the last year.

Grizzly 45

tikkamark wrote: »

I personally wouldnt like to see bows legal for hunting here-as you say it is far more difficult to humainly kill any animal in comparison to a rifle

But then if you are a TRUE HUNTER you will recognise the limits of your skill and kit ,be it rifle or bow and not take the shot.Anything else is just then "buck fever"Again,I am talking from a moralistic viewpoint which is personal and subjective.

Birdnuts

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

Did he look like this?

Carefull - a user going by the name "John Rambo" posts on here:D

tfox

Was chatting to a friend of mine, apparently there was a carcase of a red hind found near Monasterboyce with the 2 back legs cut off and an arrow in the chest !! Only bout 2 miles from where I met Robin Hood ?!

BryanL

tac foley wrote: »

Let me help a little -

Originally Posted by Wildlife Act
34.—(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section but subject to section 42, a person shall not—
( a ) hunt any wild bird or wild mammal by means of a trap, snare, net, line, hook, arrow, dart, spear or similar device, instrument or missile, or birdlime or any substance of a like nature, or any poisonous, poisoned or stupefying bait...

tac

so is a Larsen trap illegal then?

Sparks

BryanL wrote: »

so is a Larsen trap illegal then?

No, because it's illegal to hunt any and all wild birds by any means except those covered by derogation; and the derogation specifies what can be used to hunt them and overrides that section of the Act.