Another year of Jimmy Carter not being dead.

Lockstep

Today marks 86 years of Jimmy Carter coffin dodging.

Fair play to the men, despite being history's greatest monster and all that.
He had some terrible luck in his presidency but did an admirable job

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bit before my time. Was he worse than GWB?

The_Minister

A fan of Jimmy Carter?

/looks 'round for Loch-ness monster and sober Irishman.

Robbo

Malaise Forever.

bonerm

Scooby Doo can doo doo but Jimmy Carter is smarter

fontanalis

Didn't he sell missiles to Iran? No wonder people hate him.

pickarooney

He's unstoppable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JZSFW6oM58

General Zod

if you hate Jimmy Carter, you've got a hell of a lot wrong with you.

Donkey Oaty

fontanalis wrote: »

Didn't he sell missiles to Iran? No wonder people hate him.

Aren't you thinking of his old enemy, Ronald Reagan, and the Iran-Contra affair?

Black Swan

Carter is (pea)nuts!

enda1

Don't know much about the lad to be honest.

In what ways was he such a big bad man?
A quick perusal of wikipedia didn't turn up much.

pickarooney

enda1 wrote: »

Don't know much about the lad to be honest.

In what ways was he such a big bad man?
A quick perusal of wikipedia didn't turn up much.

That's because he edits it. He wrote all of wikipedia just to paint himself in a good light.

Terry

He was brilliant on the Daily Show a few weeks ago. Witty as ****.

WindSock

bonerm wrote: »

Scooby Doo can doo doo but Jimmy Carter is smarter

He's gotta brother named Billy....and his teeth look silly.....

Lockstep

enda1 wrote: »

Don't know much about the lad to be honest.

In what ways was he such a big bad man?
A quick perusal of wikipedia didn't turn up much.

He wasn't bad at all.
The Simpsons were taking the piss out of the strange hatred people have for a well meaning and competent ex-president.

bonerm

WindSock wrote: »

He's gotta brother named Billy....and his teeth look silly.....

Break it down now.

WindSock

bonerm wrote: »

Break it down now.

*spins around making weird vrooming noise*

Gunsfortoys

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/953667/posts

Sounds like a lovely guy;)

argonaut

AFAIK he was unpopular because he didn't have the ability to easily bull**** people with a huge grin like, say, Reagan did.

The whole "malaise" thing comes from a speech he gave in which he basically asked people to conserve energy during the 70s energy crisis. The horror!

mike65

fontanalis wrote: »

Didn't he sell missiles to Iran? No wonder people hate him.

[insert faceplam here]

--Kaiser--

While we're making random quotes:

"Jimmy Carter needs Billy like Van Gogh needs stereo." - Johnny Carson

Mr Benevolent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6txna0SLpo

argonaut

fontanalis wrote: »

Didn't he sell missiles to Iran? No wonder people hate him.

Iran-Contra?

Damn that Carter! *shakes fist*

the purple tin

Does he not help to build houses for the poor?

General Zod

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/953667/posts

Sounds like a lovely guy;)

A good rule to live by: If the freepers hate someone, then that person is really great.

fontanalis

mike65 wrote: »

[insert faceplam here]

Facepalms on you.
I was trying to point out the hypocricy of the Regan loving morons who hate Carter.

D-Generate

I can't believe people are considering Carter to be competent! He was horrendous and indecisive and a push over.

The Iran hostage crisis was handled appallingly and his weakness in this occasion is somewhat responsible for giving Iran's regime strength and credibility in the eyes of their citizens. The US could have stopped the Iranian Revolution dead in its tracks but Carter pussyfooted around and was impotent.
Thatcher went to war over an island which had just a few penguins, Carter decided to think that negotiation would secure the release of his citizens from a regime that was outspoken in their hatred for the US! Complete lunacy! He should have committed a few jets and glassed Tehran and spared Iran from the Ayatollah coming to power. The Soviets wouldn't have complained as although they disliked the Shah they were not in love with an Islamic regime either.

After about a year Carter decided to mount a rescue operation, a poorly put together rescue mission. He didn't authorise the manpower that the armed forces wanted to commit to the rescue and instead only allowed them use a bunch of out of date helicopter, half of which didn't even make it off the ground.
Carters "retribution" was to supply the Iraqis with arms so that the US could get back at Iran through a proxy war with Iran. Reagan also supplied Iraq with arms but if he had been in power when Iran took the hostages I can guarantee you that there wouldn't be the Ayatollah in power now. Reagan had some balls at least and when Gadaffi got a bit big in his boots he sent bombed the crap out of his palaces and residences and made Gadaffi piss himself and be regarded as incompetent by the rest of the world.

Carter was not fit to be in control of the US armed forces and thank god the Soviets never decided to push against the US as he would have conceded in a heartbeat.

General Zod

D-Generate wrote: »

The Iran hostage crisis was handled appallingly and his weakness in this occasion is somewhat responsible for giving Iran's regime strength and credibility in the eyes of their citizens. The US could have stopped the Iranian Revolution dead in its tracks but Carter pussyfooted around and was impotent.

The CIA put the Shah in power in the first place in the 1953 coup of a democratically elected governemnt.

Thatcher went to war over an island which had just a few penguins,

and potentially massive oil and gas fields. don't for a minute buy into the jingoistic crap.

Carter decided to think that negotiation would secure the release of his citizens from a regime that was outspoken in their hatred for the US!

negotiation did free them in the end, with the signing of the Algiers accord.

D-Generate

General Zod wrote: »

The CIA put the Shah in power in the first place in the 1953 coup of a democratically elected governemnt.

The Shah wasn't a nice guy but he served Western needs and Iran would certainly be on friendlier terms with us in the West if the regime hadn't changed to the Ayatollahs. Heck, the Iranians although subjugated by the Shah are even worse off now.

General Zod wrote: »

and potentially massive oil and gas fields. don't for a minute buy into the jingoistic crap.

I am not supportive of this war but I am using it to illustrate that the leader of a country should be decisive and is the one person that shouldn't be weak when confronted by a military threat.

General Zod wrote: »

negotiation did free them in the end, with the signing of the Algiers accord.

Over a year later..... A freaking year.... That is hardly an acceptable time to allow citizens of your own country to be held and tortured and degraded. It is quite embarrassing that a freaking Quaker has more stones than Carter.

General Zod

so America should have gone in guns blazing because the Iranians don't like the US for their propensity for going in guns blazing.

I'm not saying he handled it perfectly, but I'd take his outlook with regards to peaceful resolution over the gung ho might is right sledgehammer of normal US operations.

D-Generate

General Zod wrote: »

so America should have gone in guns blazing because the Iranians don't like the US for their propensity for going in guns blazing.

I'm not saying he handled it perfectly, but I'd take his outlook with regards to peaceful resolution over the gung ho might is right sledgehammer of normal US operations.

Fair enough to be honest. I agree that the US can be gung ho at times, Bush administration in particular, but in this instance the US should have taken military action. Their sovereign territory was attacked! I would say that a lot of resentment towards the US in Iran today is caused by the view that the US abandoned Iran during the revolution and they would be right.
Carter didn't step up to the plate as a commander should and now we have Iran as a threat to western interests.