2006 VW Touareg V6 TDI SE

The Guvnor

I have the option of buying one of these in January next year off a relative in the UK.

Now I know the history of the car and it only has 28,000 miles.

He was looking at a price of £16,000.

This to me seems like a fair price - his trade-in offers were £14,500 and 16,500 VW & BMW respectively.

I valued it on wewillbuyyourcar and it came to £14,883.

VRT based on a 5 year old V6 Touareg is €5478.

Now it has electric seats as possibly the only extras over standard but would have to double check that.

My landed price on the car would be in the order of €24,500 which is from my research not too bad. Plus there is not a lot of choice in the Irish marketplace for a non-commercial.

What do you guys reckon?

Matt Simis

VRT will likely be higher thanks to ongoing BS with the NCT centres.

Personally Id buy the 2003 V10 TDI (asking 13k on Carzone) or 2005 V10 TDI (asking 19k on Carzone, available here in Ireland (and VRTed). Either could be got cheaper than asking and either would be better spec'ed, vastly better driving and better sounding than the 3.0TDI, which is effectively the same annual tax. But they cost you less thanks to depreciation in Ireland (I suspect you can get V10s cheaper here than the UK, including the VRT cost..).

Unless the <10mpg difference in Fuel Economy really matters to you, why go with a 6pot 3.0 when a 10pot 5.0 costs less!?
I had the V10 TDI (in the VW Phaeton, same engine), the difference from it to a run of the mill V6 TDI is simply staggering.

The Guvnor

They are fair points mate.

Hard to know what the VRT would be until you go and do it but it's hardly going to go from €5478 to €8000 or something similar.

As I understand it, it is the extras over standard they charge you for and these extras will be added on their perceived 2nd hand value upon which you get hit with 36% of their value.

The 2005 V10 is practically 20 grand and has 84,000 miles on the clock. The other one has 75,000 miles.

The 5 litre is a nice engine but of no use to me mate from an insurance point of view.

The car I am looking at has 28,000 on the clock and I know it's history which counts for a lot.

I know I could do better price wise but I know this car is not a wrongun.

Matt Simis

The Guvnor wrote: »

The 2005 V10 is practically 20 grand and has 84,000 miles on the clock. The other one has 75,000 miles.

But... whats the issue with that? 75k miles in 7 years is over 25% less than average. Granted the model you have is extremely low mileage, but (and I am biased), its a much much inferior model for a lot more ££. The distance it travelled prior to getting on your drive way is meaningless, how it got there is the relevant point (though Im not actively vouching for either of those V10s specifically, havent viewed them).

The 5 litre is a nice engine but of no use to me mate from an insurance point of view.

I found the V10 Phaeton to be exactly the same insurance as the V6 TDI Phaeton (same engines as the Touareg).. why would you assume at this level (3 vs 5 litre big diesels) it would be different? You havent actually checked this have you? :pac:


Are you sure you dont want us to just convince you to go with the V6...?

Just Jack

I have a 2006 3.0 Diesel with 25,000 genuine miles. it is the best car I have ever owned or driven. buy it. you will not be sorry. unless the VRT is more than you said.

The Guvnor

Matt,

I have a quote for the 3.0 which comes in at low €400's - I cannot do an online quote for an engine above 3.0 but I would assume it will be more.

Yes, convince me the 3.0 is the one to go for!:D

I checked the spec vs the two v10's and I'd say the V6 has more spec than the 2003 IIRC and at least the same as the 2005 if not more.

You have to admit that 50-60,000 miles less on the clock is an advantage.

I checked for v6 passenger touaregs online and found 8 on carzone so no choice.

The Guvnor

Just Jack wrote: »

I have a 2006 3.0 Diesel with 25,000 genuine miles. it is the best car I have ever owned or driven. buy it. you will not be sorry. unless the VRT is more than you said.

I'm not with you Jack.

Drummerboy08

At least its not the 2.5TDi you're looking at, thats a complete pig to drive.

I'd be going with Matt Simis and getting the 5.0TDi.....Its as lot cheaper to buy than the 3.0TDi you're thinking about, and even with the marginal insurance increase you won't regret it.

Matt Simis

The Guvnor wrote: »

I checked the spec vs the two v10's and I'd say the V6 has more spec than the 2003 IIRC and at least the same as the 2005 if not more.

You have to admit that 50-60,000 miles less on the clock is an advantage.

Must be an unusually spec'ed "SE" V6 then, there is a lot of base spec stuff on the V10 thats optional on the other models. I also wouldnt use the Carzone adverts as a Spec list, an independent Dealer would not have a clue on the Features of the model. For instance major upgrades like Air Suspension is standard on the V10TDI. Cant find the list now, but the V10TDI was like 50% more expensive than the V6.

The lower mileage is a selling point for sure, but not something I would care about as a driver if the particular car is in good nick. So not an "advantage" in my eyes at all. It will still come in to a bottom of the range vs top of the range argument.

Buy the V6 if you want to pay more for lower running cost and the trade luxury and performance for some piece of mind. Its not a bad choice, I simply think its far from the best given the uniquely low pricing of the bigger engine in Ireland.

EPM

OP you're set on buying it. Crazy money when you see how much better cars are going for. Mileage is only a number. If it's been well looked after you won't have a problem with the V10s. If anything being less stressed pulling a toerag around would be a good thing in my book

Eric Cartman

V10 is the only way to go, why would you even consider the V6 with that option around

The Guvnor

Thanks lads - obviously the landed price is miles too high for a car like this with low mileage?

I cannot really find many passenger v6's out there and those on sale are not overly cheap.

The V10 is a good deal in Ireland but there is no choice - two cars for sale is not enough choice.

Fair point the V6 does not have air suspension.

Matt - the performance is not a real issue for me tbh. It's not like we are looking at a sports car.

The Guvnor

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

At least its not the 2.5TDi you're looking at, thats a complete pig to drive.

I'd be going with Matt Simis and getting the 5.0TDi.....Its as lot cheaper to buy than the 3.0TDi you're thinking about, and even with the marginal insurance increase you won't regret it.

I'd never look at the 2.5 mate but the v6 is coming from a trusted source at what I asked and thought was a fair price for the model, mileage and age.

Henry Ford III

I heard (from a reliable source) that an oil change - a sizeable volume of very pricey lubricant can be horrendously expensive on diesel Toerags.

Just Jack

The Guvnor wrote: »

I'm not with you Jack - I'm assuming you're taking the p1ss!

Anyway I'll take the bait - more details please like price.

I know my relative and can accept his word but no offence mate cannot do likewise with you.

Sorry I did not make myself clear. My car is not for sale. I meant you should buy the 3.0TDI because IMHO unless you are planning on towing jumbo jets it is by far the better buy.

mathepac

The Guvnor wrote: »

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As I understand it, it is the extras over standard they charge you for and these extras will be added on their perceived 2nd hand value upon which you get hit with 36% of their value.
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The generally accepted wisdom is that on cars > 4 years old the extras on an import over and above the Irish poverty spec don't count in the VRT calculations.

The Guvnor

Thanks Jack!

Apologies for coming over all moody above!:)

That was my thinking anyway - that in normal day to day driving v6 or v10 it's not like you'll use either to their full potential.

Just Jack wrote: »

Sorry I did not make myself clear. My car is not for sale. I meant you should buy the 3.0TDI because IMHO unless you are planning on towing jumbo jets it is by far the better buy.

The Guvnor

mathepac wrote: »

The generally accepted wisdom is that on cars > 4 years old the extras on an import over and above the Irish poverty spec don't count in the VRT calculations.

I read that on a VRT thread which is good news! Thanks!

Matt Simis

The Guvnor wrote: »

I read that on a VRT thread which is good news! Thanks!

Have you both considered that info was before the NCT guys are now doing the VRT car examaination (not Revenue), precisely to ensure that extras are taken into consideration. The 4 year thing is old info.

You will be reamed on the inferior V6 import tax wise.

The Guvnor

Thanks Matt for your opinion on whether or not I will be reamed.

As for inferior that is an opinion and not one I share.

Are you basing this on fact or just guessing because until someone has actually done it, we cannot actually quantify the amount over and above if any.

I will be sure to update this thread at the time of import.