Lars Ulrich Offering One Hour Drum Lesson for Charity

LukeQuietus

Wow! He's so generous! Offering a chance to learn how to play extremely poorly and get lazier as you progress. Maybe he teaches backwards. You start really well by coming up with some blast beats like the end of One..but by the end you can't manage that anymore.

I'd love it if whoever gets this is a trained jazz drummer and after an hour of playing dumb they pull off an awesome drum solo and say "that's how it's done!"

phelixoflaherty

He can stick it up his arse

Angron

Someone should go just to say "umm" every few minutes for no particular reason.

A Primal Nut

LukeQuietus wrote: »

Wow! He's so generous! Offering a chance to learn how to play extremely poorly and get lazier as you progress. Maybe he teaches backwards. You start really well by coming up with some blast beats like the end of One..but by the end you can't manage that anymore.

I'd love it if whoever gets this is a trained jazz drummer and after an hour of playing dumb they pull off an awesome drum solo and say "that's how it's done!"

Maybe Lars Ulrich can play Jazz but avoids it because it would sound rediculous in a Metallica song. Sort of like most rock drummers.

Its quite funny, I know loads of people who love to constantly criticize Metallica (especially Ulrch) yet still love to listen to them and know how to play loads of their songs on guitar/drums/bass. Completely hypocritical. They like them but are ashamed to admit it for some strange reason. Even you opened a thread to criticize him and still managed to complement him for his drumming ability in One.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who would love a drum lesson with Lars, and he's doing it for charity - whats the problem. If you don't like Metallica, then fair enough, but no band can please everybody. At the end of the day, every Metal musician wakes up every day wishing they could have wrote/played on Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets and ...And Justice For All; and thats something he has you or no other Metal drummer will ever have, and having played on those is justification for him giving a drumming lesson if he wants to, even if its only to show how to play the beats on those songs.

Black Magician

Im actually a fan of Lars drumming. There I said it dont kill me!! his best bits are defo on the AJFA album, i have a kit and I can actually To Live is to die quite well, its part of the reason why I bought it in the first place. however if he wants to do something real for charity bloody donate a couple of hundred thou to cancer research or something ffs

A Primal Nut

Black Magician wrote: »

Im actually a fan of Lars drumming. There I said it dont kill me!! his best bits are defo on the AJFA album, i have a kit and I can actually To Live is to die quite well, its part of the reason why I bought it in the first place. however if he wants to do something real for charity bloody donate a couple of hundred thou to cancer research or something ffs

Its possible he does that too but doesn't make a big issue of it. I don't think she should be too critical of someone who is doing someone for charity. Although I accept its possible he's doing it for publicity, does he really need it?

Gerard.C

I bet ye'd all love a drum leson with Lars Ulrich all the same

Useful.Idiot

I wonder what he could teach a seasoned drummer? but hey I'd do it, I'd say Lars is great for banterin with!

cypharius

Gerard.C wrote: »

I bet ye'd all love a drum leson with Lars Ulrich all the same

Only to punch him in the side of the head.

Kevski

The man does something for charity and this is the reaction he gets. Wow.

Nailz

I think somebody should offer Lars a one hour drum lesson.

Motley Crue

Kevski wrote: »

The man does something for charity and this is the reaction he gets. Wow.

I think that reaction has something to do with his considerably uncharitable work taking Napster away from young kids

Kevski

Motley Crue wrote: »

I think that reaction has something to do with his considerably uncharitable work taking Napster away from young kids

In fairness, the whole napster debacle has been blown out of all proportion. Internet file sharing was a relatively new thing in the late 90's and early 00's and nowhere near as widely used as it is today. It was only natural for them to want to stamp it out. They seem to realised that it was a mistake and have tried to make amends so it's best to put these things behind us imo.

Anyway, that topic has been discussed to death for the last 10 years. I say fair play to the man for using his fame as a means to raise money for charity.

Black Magician

Motley Crue wrote: »

I think that reaction has something to do with his considerably uncharitable work taking Napster away from young kids

Dam those musicans trying to get paid for the music they produce.

Riddle101

Motley Crue wrote: »

I think that reaction has something to do with his considerably uncharitable work taking Napster away from young kids

It's those young kids who are defrauding bands and stopping them earning their money. If someone was stealing from you would you not be p!ssed. Nowdays because of internet downloading, people in the music industry only make an 1/8 of what they should be making, it's pretty bad for new bands starting out.

empirix

personally i think the man is an excellent drummer, and justice for all has some great technical drumming all over it, probably the pinnacle of his career, for people to say his crap is just plain stupid and quite bitter!!

Motley Crue

Black Magician wrote: »

Dam those musicans trying to get paid for the music they produce.

I understand your statement but I still maintain that the situation is not as black and white as it appears. It's unfair on the bands, of course, but the fans have to suffer too because of corporate price hikes and the price of gigs, equipment, rental, insurance, tours...all passed to the consumer

Look at Glastonbury, a situation in which fans have to apply to get festival tickets of any kind about 9/10 months before the gig without even knowing who the head-liner will be, and pay upfront....and then they might not even get approved for an opportunity to buy a ticket. that kind of stupidity is crazy - and this isn't even an isolated incident

I support something like what Earache is doing, new releases for a low price

Riddle101 wrote: »

It's those young kids who are defrauding bands and stopping them earning their money.

Right, first and foremost, I do agree the Industry is a harder place to make that jump and that first leap into....but defrauding is such a strong word, because the way I see it, with the price of concert tickets - if you consider spending money to see three bands every month for a year...that's 36 gigs a year....that is a lot of money, and sometimes it's a choice between the CD and the gig...

and if you want to get into new music, or a bands new album, then surely internet downloading helps bands at least gain fans in regions they wouldn't have taught possible if it wasn't for the "service" and I pay as much as I can to go and see bands, so does that mean I can't listen to their music if it's not streamed, or not played on youtube, or not played on the radio...

Kevski wrote: »

In fairness, the whole napster debacle has been blown out of all proportion. Internet file sharing was a relatively new thing in the late 90's and early 00's and nowhere near as widely used as it is today.

Very true, but I was never a fan of him getting involved with it and publicly fighting them, it's the one situation in which I would have preferred a more corporate and legal representation...I don't think that this message being endorsed by the stars helped file sharing in the slightest...if anything it only encouraged people to do it more...

lord lucan

Riddle101 wrote: »

It's those young kids who are defrauding bands and stopping them earning their money. If someone was stealing from you would you not be p!ssed. Nowdays because of internet downloading, people in the music industry only make an 1/8 of what they should be making, it's pretty bad for new bands starting out.

This is the thing,it's a catch 22 situation. On the one hand file sharing and loss of money doesn't greatly impact a band like Metallica as they're wealthy men now. On the other hand new bands need established acts like Metallica to highlight it as they're the ones who are losing income.

Metallica were burned badly by Napster. They stand by the principal of their stance but admit they could've gone about it in a better way,a not as 'in your face' way.

On topic,i'd love to win that auction. Not for the drumming lesson but for the tour of their HQ that's part of it and lunch with Lars.:)

Patricide

Bands dont make much money from C.D. sales...well very rarely. The real money is in radio play, licensing and official merchandise. Basically things the record companies dont take a cut from.

However, I should mention that not buying c.d's does make it pretty dam hard for new acts coming through to get a record deal and therefore get there music out there.

RayCon

Has Ulrich become the Metal Ringo ?

Star Bingo

lars' kick drum sounds like slapping a baby with a wet fish

Angron

empirix wrote: »

personally i think the man is an excellent drummer, and justice for all has some great technical drumming all over it, probably the pinnacle of his career, for people to say his crap is just plain stupid and quite bitter!!

But bitter is part of the fun of being alive

And I don't think bitterness comes into all of it, some people just straight up do not like the man/band.

Panthro

I would take the lesson, then at the very end I would turn to him and say "Yano, I have no interest in learning the drums....oh look, I have just wasted your time...just like you have wasted countless hours of good music making time over the years"...
In your face Lars!:D

Degag

Would love the lesson. Also, to those who say Lars can't play Double Bass... (Or at least couldn't)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s7aEbDI4mU

Patricide

Degag wrote: »

Would love the lesson. Also, to those who say Lars can't play Double Bass... (Or at least couldn't)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s7aEbDI4mU

I would, everything lars did(although maybe revolutionary at the time) is nothing but the absolute double bass basics at the moment for any drummer worth their salt.

Gunsfortoys

Lars and Dave Lombardo made the double bass famous in the 80s and took it to a new extreme, a lot of drummers today credit 'and justice for all as an inspiration and think that it marked a new metal sound. As someone said earlier it is really basic nowadays, but back then it was fresh and new.

baldshin

Black Magician wrote: »

if he wants to do something real for charity bloody donate a couple of hundred thou to cancer research or something ffs

I'm pretty sure a raffle/auction for a lesson off him will raise a hell of a lot more than a few hundred euro.

mp3guy

Degag wrote: »

Would love the lesson. Also, to those who say Lars can't play Double Bass... (Or at least couldn't)

That video is actually embarrassing for metallica. The soloing before the "double bass" sounds horribly out of tune.

Also the double bass is the simplest double bass ever. I was playing that within a week of getting my first double bass pedal.

Patricide

mp3guy wrote: »

That video is actually embarrassing for metallica. The soloing before the "double bass" sounds horribly out of tune.

Also the double bass is the simplest double bass ever. I was playing that within a week of getting my first double bass pedal.

And have you heard him live recently? He cant even do the double kick part of one....Its not that complicated...

D.Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuKf4dB835A

listen from about 4.40 on.

mp3guy

DieselQueen wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuKf4dB835A

listen from about 4.40 on.

Yeah, he plays the part he "wrote" and "recorded" on a album.

The point is you actually have to find "proof" that he can play something he wrote and recorded; It's a given that he should be able to, the fact it comes into question so often is the problem.

Angron

baldshin wrote: »

I'm pretty sure a raffle/auction for a lesson off him will raise a hell of a lot more than a few hundred euro.

Except the guy said hundred thou, not just hundred..

Mental Mickey

I can't f**king believe that this thread has descended into a debate about his drumming (in)abilities, yet again!!??

Christ, some Metallica fans are almost as uptight as some Liverpool fans

Patricide

DieselQueen wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuKf4dB835A

listen from about 4.40 on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6RBMnSN7Iw

Listen to the same timing here....

As for saying metallica fans are uptight. I just like the band to be able to play the music to a certain standard...you know after paying about 60 euro for a ticket, a train ticket to dublin, a hostel etc. Thankfully this no longer applies as im living in germany now, but is it really wrong to expect a band to be tight live?

Knifey Spoony

Patricide wrote: »

As for saying metallica fans are uptight. I just like the band to be able to play the music to a certain standard...you know after paying about 60 euro for a ticket, a train ticket to dublin, a hostel etc. Thankfully this no longer applies as im living in germany now, but is it really wrong to expect a band to be tight live?

Well, you can't really expect a band to be tight for every single performance, there are bound to be mistakes, there are only human after all. But, it is another thing when they are consistantly sloppy or just plain lazy. Lars and Kirk seem to be guilty of the latter these days and this is what really annoys me. Just going through the motions in their playing.

Patricide

Knifey Spoony wrote: »

Well, you can't really expect a band to be tight for every single performance, there are bound to be mistakes, there are only human after all. But, it is another thing when they are consistantly sloppy or just plain lazy. Lars and Kirk seem to be guilty of the latter these days and this is what really annoys me. Just going through the motions in their playing.

I didnt say every single performance but its not just odd bad shows here and there with Lars and kirk. From a good few gig reports iv heard that lars in particular had really gone down hill in his fitness. I mean I can understand the odd bad gig but if you often ****ed up at your job, im sure your boss wouldnt be happy.

Degag

Patricide wrote: »

I didnt say every single performance but its not just odd bad shows here and there with Lars and kirk. From a good few gig reports iv heard that lars in particular had really gone down hill in his fitness. I mean I can understand the odd bad gig but if you often ****ed up at your job, im sure your boss wouldnt be happy.

Ummmm, but Lars kinda is the boss!!

Thing is with Lars, his output at the beginning of gigs is generally better than towards the end of them. I personally think that he tires pretty easily (no surprise i guess since he's not far off 50) and this affects him a lot. Lars was a far better drummer 20 years ago than he is now, that's almost a fact. He was close to the level Lombardo was on back then. His work on Justice in particular was phenomenal for the time that it was.

My own personal opinion is that fame got to his head after the Black Album, he stopped practising which is well documented and he got lazy - which to be fair happened to the other members of the band also. I think he has genuinely tried his best in recent times but time has caught up to him. As i said he can still play to a pretty good level but playing a 2+ hour gig means that he leaves out double bass and other fillers because of fatigue.

That's all my opinion of course, i still love listening to Metallica, i never really listen to them thinking "I wish they had a better drummer" because to me Ulrich is a huge part of what Metallica is. I often see people say that "I can play drums as good as Lars" Maybe. Perhaps. But could you write music as good as he has over a period of almost 30 years. "No" would be the answer to that I think. And he probably was a better drummer than you'll ever be.

Patricide

Degag wrote: »

Ummmm, but Lars kinda is the boss!!

Thing is with Lars, his output at the beginning of gigs is generally better than towards the end of them. I personally think that he tires pretty easily (no surprise i guess since he's not far off 50) and this affects him a lot. Lars was a far better drummer 20 years ago than he is now, that's almost a fact. He was close to the level Lombardo was on back then. His work on Justice in particular was phenomenal for the time that it was.

My own personal opinion is that fame got to his head after the Black Album, he stopped practising which is well documented and he got lazy - which to be fair happened to the other members of the band also. I think he has genuinely tried his best in recent times but time has caught up to him. As i said he can still play to a pretty good level but playing a 2+ hour gig means that he leaves out double bass and other fillers because of fatigue.

That's all my opinion of course, i still love listening to Metallica, i never really listen to them thinking "I wish they had a better drummer" because to me Ulrich is a huge part of what Metallica is. I often see people say that "I can play drums as good as Lars" Maybe. Perhaps. But could you write music as good as he has over a period of almost 30 years. "No" would be the answer to that I think. And he probably was a better drummer than you'll ever be.

He was lazy before the black album. Did you know each drum track for that album is composed of 50 takes? I mean a lot of thats a production thing to get the drums to sound as awesome as they do but still a lot of that is also down to lars' playing.

As for him being the boss, at the end of the day were his boss as were the people he plays shows for. However I cant see people ever not showing up for a metallica gig no matter what would happen so I see your point there.

As for the whole he helped write great music thing, I agree 100%. If I could pick any drummer from any time period to be in metallica from the start I wouldn't do it. Hes a big part of metallica's sound and I was never saying anything to the contrary. Without him there would be no metallica. PERIOD.

My arguing is that just think that from a technical standpoint in the modern day, he is a terrible drummer. This isnt just my opinion, its fact. Hell lars even says it himself! In the last interview with him I read the interviewer asked him if he was learning or practicing any techniques he answered somthing along the lines of "is there any number less than 0" and some more stuff to that affect.

Does this make him a bad overall drummer for Metallica? As long as he can still play properly live, then no. As for the excuse of his age, its quite frankly no excuse. Look at neil pearth, dave lombardo, and rakes of others around his age and older who can still play live the whole tour long.

TL;DR - Lars Ulrich, the guy was one of the pioneers of thrash metal drumming and was great in the 80ies. Now hes terrible technically and too lazy to stay in shape IMO.

And as an added bonus heres a funny video(just dont take it to seriously there are a lot of unfair comparisons I know): http://www.megavideo.com/?v=AQ2ST27L

O yeah its about 3 mins long only by the way, the only place I could find it was megavideo for some reason.

Degag

Patricide wrote: »

He was lazy before the black album. Did you know each drum track for that album is composed of 50 takes? I mean a lot of thats a production thing to get the drums to sound as awesome as they do but still a lot of that is also down to lars' playing.

Has that ever been confirmed? I've heard it a few times but only as a rumour. Also where do you get the figure of 50? In any case, even if it is true, it's not like other musicians don't do it aswell - not to that extent i suppose. That doesn't really make him lazy either... almost the opposite, like a perfectionist?

Also, his performances before and even after the Black Album were good - look at some of the "Live Sh1t" videos.

As for him being the boss, at the end of the day were his boss as were the people he plays shows for. However I cant see people ever not showing up for a metallica gig no matter what would happen so I see your point there.

That's just a silly argument. As for you saying he's a terrible drummer - well he's not. He's not a very good Metal Drummer any more - a distinct difference, but a difference none the same. Also most fans don't give a sh1te whether he's good or bad, we just love the band!

Patricide

I never said that people should give a ****, I dont give a **** personally, I LOVE METALLIA up as far as reload. It just irritates me when metallica fan boys defend the bands technical ability to the point where it goes beyond reason.

As for the 50 takes thing, yup the head engineer on the black album sessions randy staub said it on the classic albums series. It could either mean hes a perfectionist, or doesn't/didnt have the ability/fitness level to play it in the studio.

As for you saying hes still a good drummer overall. I dunno, I know a lot who could outplay him when they were 15/16.

Back in the day he was breaking new ground. Now hes struggling to play what he recorded, hes not improving himself as a player and by todays standards hes extremely sub par. Does it make me hate the music, NO! But like I said, I hear so many people saying stuff like lars is an unreal drummer, Kirk is one of the best guitarists in the world etc. that it just gets under my skin.

Riddle101

Patricide wrote: »

I never said that people should give a ****, I dont give a **** personally, I LOVE METALLIA up as far as reload. It just irritates me when metallica fan boys defend the bands technical ability to the point where it goes beyond reason.

As for the 50 takes thing, yup the head engineer on the black album sessions randy staub said it on the classic albums series. It could either mean hes a perfectionist, or doesn't/didnt have the ability/fitness level to play it in the studio.

As for you saying hes still a good drummer overall. I dunno, I know a lot who could outplay him when they were 15/16.

Back in the day he was breaking new ground. Now hes struggling to play what he recorded, hes not improving himself as a player and by todays standards hes extremely sub par. Does it make me hate the music, NO! But like I said, I hear so many people saying stuff like lars is an unreal drummer, Kirk is one of the best guitarists in the world etc. that it just gets under my skin.

People think he's the best guitarist in the world? I like him but I wouldn't rate him that high to be honest

Patricide

Riddle101 wrote: »

People think he's the best guitarist in the world? I like him but I wouldn't rate him that high to be honest

Exactly, but look on any polls and hes always up there. James wrote the best music, is a better and more original player but never gets the same amount of credit!

Degag

Patricide wrote: »

I never said that people should give a ****, I dont give a **** personally, I LOVE METALLIA up as far as reload. It just irritates me when metallica fan boys defend the bands technical ability to the point where it goes beyond reason.

As for the 50 takes thing, yup the head engineer on the black album sessions randy staub said it on the classic albums series. It could either mean hes a perfectionist, or doesn't/didnt have the ability/fitness level to play it in the studio.

As for you saying hes still a good drummer overall. I dunno, I know a lot who could outplay him when they were 15/16.

Back in the day he was breaking new ground. Now hes struggling to play what he recorded, hes not improving himself as a player and by todays standards hes extremely sub par. Does it make me hate the music, NO! But like I said, I hear so many people saying stuff like lars is an unreal drummer, Kirk is one of the best guitarists in the world etc. that it just gets under my skin.

But most people on here agree that he's not very good anymore, myself included as you can see. He is still a competent drummer though and if he was playing for more of a rock band than a metal band, this argument wouldn't pop up as much if not at all.

Anyhow, as i said most people agree on this point. It gets annoying when it's argued to death so much. Some people just can't distinguish between "Was a good drummer" and "Is a good drummer" !!!!

senordingdong

I think he's quite a good drummer!

scudzilla

Winning bid was $35,000!!

Wonder if winner will be a complete and utter looper like the nut job who bid and won the competition to spend 2 days at The Osbournes House. She'd taken all sorts of loans out etc, Complete nutter

senordingdong

scudzilla wrote: »

Winning bid was $35,000!!

Wonder if winner will be a complete and utter looper like the nut job who bid and won the competition to spend 2 days at The Osbournes House. She'd taken all sorts of loans out etc, Complete nutter

Loans that Irish tax payers are probably now paying for.

Still can't believe it's only an hour...is that even practical for a drum lesson?

scudzilla

senordingdong wrote: »

Loans that Irish tax payers are probably now paying for.

Still can't believe it's only an hour...is that even practical for a drum lesson?

No, Irish TaX Payer has no right on that one, American comp, American Winner


As for the drum lesson, that's just part of it, it's a full day thing, hang out at Metallica HQ, go for lunch wit Lars etc.

If i went into Metallica HQ i'd go in wit 2 empty bags and tehy'd be comin out pretty full, i'd be swipin everythin :D

senordingdong

scudzilla wrote: »

No, Irish TaX Payer has no right on that one, American comp, American Winner

Ah yeah, was just chuckling to myself thinking that Anglo could be involved in some roundabout way.


But a day in Metallica HQ would be pretty cool, even if it was to hang out with him.