Certificat Permanent of export from the UK

superfly35

I have a morning question, on a certificat permanent of export from the UK is there the name of the previous owner and so on.
Which kind of information is on the certificat?

Thanks
Superfly

2cv

superfly35 wrote: »

I have a morning question, on a certificat permanent of export from the UK is there the name of the previous owner and so on.
Which kind of information is on the certificat?

Thanks
Superfly

It contains pretty much the same information as the V5. With that document, you can register the car here in Ireland without the V5.

superfly35

thanks a million 2cv.
Hopefully I will get this sorted soon.

2cv

I've registered cars with this document...

Dades

superfly35 - you any closer to getting a 924 on the road?!

mgbgt1978

You USED to able to re-register cars here with just the export cert.
It depended on who you met at the revenue office. Technically a certificate of permanent export is applied for when the owner of the car in the uk is moving abroad and taking the car with them.
With the NCT crowd now dealing with the importation of cars it might be a bit more difficult to re-register without the V5.

galwaytt

you don't use that certificate at all for exporting cars from the UK, the process is actually far more straightforward.

That cert is only for UK owner's, exporting their cars permanently, say if they moved abroad. As a buyer of a UK car, you take the V5, and bring that to Revenue, here. It states quite clearly on the DVLA website that registration authorities outside the UK often require the V5 and that it should go with the car, abroad.

All the UK owner has to do is write to DVLA and tell them the car has been exported.

superfly35

Hi guys,

I think it is still possible to register a vehicule with a certificate of permanent export.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/vrt-guide.html#section3

"Where satisfactory evidence of the date the vehicle entered the State is not available, an additional charge may be raised by Revenue for the period from the invoice date to the date of registration."

It will be interesting to know what is the additional charge are they taking about here.
Anyone know the fee?

Hi Dades,

It is moving for the 924, but very slowly at the moment I am made busy.
I will bring the engine to the engineering shop tomorow, so next I will know really if I can save the car or not next week.
If the engine is repairable then I am hoping for having the car running for Christmas.

Dades

superfly35 wrote: »

Hi Dades,

It is moving for the 924, but very slowly at the moment I am made busy.
I will bring the engine to the engineering shop tomorow, so next I will know really if I can save the car or not next week.
If the engine is repairable then I am hoping for having the car running for Christmas.

Hope you get it sorted - would be a nice Christmas present to yourself if you could get it running!

superfly35

Just in case some people are wonder about the VRT fee and that kind of stuff
http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/faqs-vrt.html#section25

superfly35

I am so depressed, I have just discovered that my porsche is not worth the fixing.
Because of the VRT price the car as been mark as exported on the DVLA web site.
So it is the end of my dream, I am absolutely disgusted!!!! :mad:

Just because I did not register the car before the end of August.....
All my work, effort and joy has been distroy by the new VRT law.... :mad:

corktina

what new law?

superfly35

corktina wrote: »

what new law?

Hi corktina,
The change the VRT rules, since September 1st.
It use to be that you could import a car in Ireland before it was 30 years old, and store it into your garage.
Then when the car is 30 years old you go and register it so you will pay only €50.

Now you can't do this anymore apparently they are charging the price of the VRT....

I will check with the revenue exactly tomorow the pricy.

But I am really fed up about this!!
I am really wondering if it is worth the hasshole of rebuilding this car.:mad:

2cv

superfly35 wrote: »

Hi corktina,
The change the VRT rules, since September 1st.
It use to be that you could import a car in Ireland before it was 30 years old, and store it into your garage.
Then when the car is 30 years old you go and register it so you will pay only €50.

Now you can't do this anymore apparently they are charging the price of the VRT....

I will check with the revenue exactly tomorow the pricy.

But I am really fed up about this!!
I am really wondering if it is worth the hasshole of rebuilding this car.:mad:

Hey Superfly,

Small correction here... they have actually relaxed the rules, rather than tightened them. Under the old system, you were legally obliged to register the car the first working day after its arrival in the state, regardless of whether it was on the road or in storage. Under the new rules, you need to present the car within 7 days and you have to complete the registration procedure within 30 days, if i'm not mistaken

superfly35

2cv wrote: »

Hey Superfly,

Small correction here... they have actually relaxed the rules, rather than tightened them. Under the old system, you were legally obliged to register the car the first working day after its arrival in the state, regardless of whether it was on the road or in storage. Under the new rules, you need to present the car within 7 days and you have to complete the registration procedure within 30 days, if i'm not mistaken

Yeah but they are lovely guys, they want the car to drive under the 2 law.
So I can not bring it as my car is not driving except if they are willing to push!!

Does someone knows what this means:

Where satisfactory evidence of the date the vehicle entered the State is not available, an additional charge may be raised by Revenue for the period from the invoice date to the date of registration.

I am really afraid that they will ask me €750, it is 2 times the price of the car it is ridiculous!!!

gn3dr

What year is the 924 and when did it get imported?

superfly35

The 924 is from June 1980, and it was imported in February 2010, so less than 6 month before her 30th birthday. It is a non-runner.

I hope there is a way out, as I have invested a lot of time and effort on it.

corktina

They havent changed the law at all, just the way the vehicle is inspected for VRT purposes. You should have re-registerered the car within 24 of importation under the old system, which you didnt do so you are in just the same position now as you were EXCEPT the NCTS will be looking for evidence of the date of purchase and importation. In the case of a Classic, I don't think they'll be looking too hard. Make sure it ahs a chassis number on it though, as they will be looking for that too

In the meantime find out if you can the date of MANUFACTURE. If you can show evidence that this is February 1980 or earlier (which is possible) that will help you if you get into difficulty with it.

superfly35

Sorry I think I am getting seriously confuse here.

The car was 30 years old in May 2010, I imported the car has a non runner in february 2010. So technically before her 30th birthday.

The car still a non-runner, and will be at least for another couple of month.

What will I pay?
In the old system, I would have pay €50 euro. But now I am seriously confuse on the price?

gn3dr

I assume you are saying that the date of export is on the on the cert of export as Feb 2010 as well? If it isn't then no problem. But even if it is just say that you brought the car into the country after May 2010 and provide them with the hand written receipt you got from the prvious owner showing this date.

corktina

there is no old system/new sysyem , its the same system except now they have got the NCTS to run it as the Revenue bods didnt bother with it too much. What you mean is under the "old"system it would have been easier to get away with only paying €50...well, now you'll need to be a bit creative to do it....but you'll 99% certain get away with it.

superfly35

Ok I see I got scared for nothing apparently.

I think I have a idea, how to get this sorted, without too much problem then.

Thanks a lot for your help.

superfly35

Sorry guys but since yesterday I have done a bit of thinking, and I have a question.

- if the car has been marked as exported in the UK system in february, I suppose if I request a certificate of export, this date will show up?
- Maybe I am making a big deal of something easy, as the VRO office might not care of those date and taking into account only the date of entry in the country?

What do you think? I
have to say I am quiet lost in the VRT story.