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Bologna Declaration and Current Engineering Degrees

  • 28-09-2010 10:33pm
    #1
    mgmt
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    Taken from the Trinity website
    After 2012, in accordance with the Bologna Declaration, only
    5-year Level 9 Engineering programmes will receive accreditation
    from Engineers Ireland, the professional body responsible for
    approving all Engineering courses in the country. Trinity is in the process of introducing an additional year to the current 4-year programme leading to the B.Sc. (Ing.) degree so that students may carry on to complete a fifth year that will entitle them to the award of a Masters in Engineering degree (M.A.I.) - this will fulfill the educational requirements for full accreditation with Engineers Ireland. Students who leave the course after successfully completing four years (with a B.Sc. (Ing.) Honors degree) from 2013 onwards will require additional qualifications to be eligible for professional accreditation with Engineers Ireland. Entry to the fifth year will require a specific standard at the fourth year Engineering examinations.

    What will happen to current degree holders? Will they be able upgrade their current degrees to a Master in Engineering???


Comments

  • #2
    Turbulent Bill
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    I don't think this has any impact on current degree (Level 8, maybe Level 7 too?) holders - you can still get get "full accreditation" with this. It only affects people graduating after a certain date (AFAIK), hence the universities have had to change their courses in advance of this. EI should have all the details.

    Trinity used to have a really hokey M.A.I. degree which you could apply for a few years after your B.A.I. (with minimal work involved), though I don't know of anyone who actually did it. Would be a shame to mix people who got this with those new students who'll have to study hard for a year.


  • #3
    godtabh
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    only affects people graduating from 2013 onwards


  • #4
    breadmonkey
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    Lads, what is "Level 8"?


  • #5
    greenbrain
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    breadmonkey wrote: »
    Lads, what is "Level 8"?

    its an honours bachelor degree. Level 9 is a postgraduate or a masters course. And Level 10 is a doctorate.


  • #6
    bnt
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    Note that the Bologna Process also pushes for a 3+2 year structure, rather than the current 4+1 year, and I think this was a factor in EI's decision to require 5y with Master's in the future. The only current 3+2 programme I know about is UCD's Structural Eng. programme, which was designed with that in mind: I'm on it, and while you do achieve BSc. (Hons) (level 8) after three years, I've been left in no doubt that I'll need all five years if I expect a career in Engineering afterwards.

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  • #7
    Darren1o1
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    bnt wrote: »
    Note that the Bologna Process also pushes for a 3+2 year structure, rather than the current 4+1 year, and I think this was a factor in EI's decision to require 5y with Master's in the future. The only current 3+2 programme I know about is UCD's Structural Eng. programme, which was designed with that in mind: I'm on it, and while you do achieve BSc. (Hons) (level 8) after three years, I've been left in no doubt that I'll need all five years if I expect a career in Engineering afterwards.
    DCU CAMM masters is accredited for full membership previously, so from my conversation with the lecturers there, the plan is 4+1. It is college specific, I think UL will be similar to DCU, as it seems is trinity.


  • #8
    dan_d
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    This has been in the pipeline for a long time - I remember when we were in college (01-05), they told us about this.

    It's a 3 + 2 year process in UCD at the moment. I think what the agreement means is that from 2013 on (or is it 2011?why do I have that in my head?), if you want to go for your chartership, you will have to have a masters.

    I don't think it affects those with current degrees, however if you go for your chartership after 2013 you will need a masters.

    It just brings us in line with other European countries - I know in Spain/France/Russia/Germany, it's a min of 5 years in college to become a fully qualified engineer.


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