Standard scratch

Thekingofhearts

Hi there a stupid question I'm sure.

If the par of the course is 72 and the sss is 74 what is that in a stableford score.

Is it 34 points?

BUACHAILL

yes it sure is

carnsoreboxer

Any chance you could explain how this is worked out please?

It always confuses me

Thanks in advance

Sandwlch

I thought it was an eagle? Two under and all that.

OneColdHand

carnsoreboxer wrote: »

Any chance you could explain how this is worked out please?

It always confuses me

Thanks in advance

It means that, while normally the par for the course would be 72, for some reason (weather, tough pin positions, playing off back tees, etc) the scoring on the day was 2 shots tougher.

Converting this to points means that the scoring was 2 points tougher, ie. 34 points, as opposed to 36pts.

BUACHAILL

Basic explanation:


Firstly you need to establish your strokes standard:

Take a course and in STROKE PLAY the standard scratch is 72 strokes
STABLEFORD POINTS works on a standard scratch of 36 points = 2 points per hole

so on a par 72 course, if the standard scratch was playing 2 shots harder it would generally equate to 34 stableford points as its 2 shots harder !!

on a day that it plays 2 shots easier it would equate to in strokes par 70 and in stableford points 38 points !!

Hope it gives you the basic explanation !! Not always exact in this but you get the idea

GorHugh

why wud a course have a standard scratch of 36pts for members and 34pts for visitors during an singles open day ?

Mister Sifter

GorHugh wrote: »

why wud a course have a standard scratch of 36pts for members and 34pts for visitors during an singles open day ?

Over a certain number of players (i think 20) and it kicks in. Probably to do with the fact that visitors will find it more difficult.

GorHugh

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Over a certain number of players (i think 20) and it kicks in. Probably to do with the fact that visitors will find it more difficult.

Cheers thats good to know ,

Unglika Norse

People are getting mixed up.

The standard scratch of a course never changes, it is the score that a scratch golfer is expected to make given normal conditions .

from a base of 36 points add 1 point to the standard scratch for each stroke below the par of the course and decuct 1 point for each stroke above the par of the course. To the best of my knowledge no course in Ireland exceeds 3 shots above the par, competiton scratch score is calculated on the scores returned on any given day in competition. And as stated this is the reason why there can be a difference in home and away players and different CSS can apply, ok probably as clear as mud.

Par 72 Standard Scratch 75 33 points
Par 72 Standard Scratch 74 34 points
Par 72 Standard Scratch 73 35 points
Par 72 Standard Scratch 72 36 points
Par 72 Standard Scratch 71 37 points
Par 72 Standard Scratch 70 38 Points
Par 72 Standard Scratch 69 39 points
Par 72 Standard Scratch 68 40 points

carnsoreboxer

Understand all the of above.

Now for a very basic question but one which has been answered differently for me everytime I ask!

Is par of the course always 36 points?

Also on some cards it will say Par 72 ss 73 therefore is 73 = 36 points and when css 74 = 37 points?

Par 69 = 36 points?

PhilipMarlowe

2 points for a par.
18 holes on the course.
18 pars = 2 x 18 = 36 points.

Regardless of what the Par in strokes of the course is (68, 70, 71, 72, 73 etc.), as long as there are 18 holes on the course then 36 points is level par.
If the Standard Scratch is the same as the par then the standard scratch is also 36 points... so Par 69 course, SSS 69 (or 36 points).

If the standard scratch is higher than the par, this means that the course is more difficult and a scratch golfer might struggle a bit under normal conditions.
So you could have a par 71 course with a SSS of 73. 18 pars = 71 shots = 36 points but he was only 'expected' to shoot 2 over par (SSS 73) which would have been 34 points.

carnsoreboxer

Thanks Licksey.

So to take this further, if you have a club where golfers regularily come in with 40+ points in weekly singles, and anyone under 38 is going to get .1 back, could that mean that ss is wrong?

Thought I read somewhere that if css was over 3 above ss it was reductions only

G1032

carnsoreboxer wrote: »

Thanks Licksey.

So to take this further, if you have a club where golfers regularily come in with 40+ points in weekly singles, and anyone under 38 is going to get .1 back, could that mean that ss is wrong?

Thought I read somewhere that if css was over 3 above ss it was reductions only

Just because you shoot under 38 it doesn't mean you will get 0.1

It all depends on what category you're in and how much of a buffer you have whether or not you get 0.1

Cat 1 players have a buffer zone of SSS +1
Cat 2 players have a buffer zone of SSS +2
Cat 3 players have a buffer zone of SSS +3
Cat 4 players have a buffer zone of SSS +4

If you shoot a score in your buffer zone then you neither get 0.1 back or get cut. So if the SSS for a given competition is 38 points then a Cat 1 player will get 0.1 back if he shoots 36 points or worse (or if in a strokeplay competition his stableford points for the day work out at 36 or less)
A Cat 2 player will get point one back when SSS is 38 if he shoots 35 points or worse and so on for Cat 3 and Cat 4 players.

Cat 4 players scores are not considered for SSS purposes. So if it's Cat 4 players shooting 40+ points then this will have no bearing whatsoever on the SSS.

Mister Sifter

Any other single figure players mindful of where they play in terms of standard scratch. I played a place earlier this year where SSS was 2 below par. Pretty tough on the category 1 golfers who only have a 1 shot buffer - a 5 handicapper shooting 5 over par but still getting .1 back seems unfair.

mag

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Any other single figure players mindful of where they play in terms of standard scratch. I played a place earlier this year where SSS was 2 below par. Pretty tough on the category 1 golfers who only have a 1 shot buffer - a 5 handicapper shooting 5 over par but still getting .1 back seems unfair.

our place (co meath) has css at -2 most of the time, tough to keep the hc down...

carnsoreboxer

ronaldochokes wrote: »

Just because you shoot under 38 it doesn't mean you will get 0.1

It all depends on what category you're in and how much of a buffer you have whether or not you get 0.1

Cat 1 players have a buffer zone of SSS +1
Cat 2 players have a buffer zone of SSS +2
Cat 3 players have a buffer zone of SSS +3
Cat 4 players have a buffer zone of SSS +4

If you shoot a score in your buffer zone then you neither get 0.1 back or get cut. So if the SSS for a given competition is 38 points then a Cat 1 player will get 0.1 back if he shoots 36 points or worse (or if in a strokeplay competition his stableford points for the day work out at 36 or less)
A Cat 2 player will get point one back when SSS is 38 if he shoots 35 points or worse and so on for Cat 3 and Cat 4 players.

Cat 4 players scores are not considered for SSS purposes. So if it's Cat 4 players shooting 40+ points then this will have no bearing whatsoever on the SSS.

Firstly apologies Licksy I spelt your name wrong! I was in a hurry looked back over my posting and it's all over the place.

I understand catagories, and in ladies golf cat 5 isn't taken into consideration only cats 1 - 4.

I am thinking specifically of a club where weekly singles regularily have winners of 40+. In the case of a cat 3 players coming in with 36 - 38 points, which I would consider a good score on any day, it seems unfair that they are getting .1 back. In this scenario is it possible that ss is wrong? Also is it true that if css is >3 of ss it is reduction only?

f22

carnsoreboxer wrote: »

Firstly apologies Licksy I spelt your name wrong! I was in a hurry looked back over my posting and it's all over the place.

I understand catagories, and in ladies golf cat 5 isn't taken into consideration only cats 1 - 4.

I am thinking specifically of a club where weekly singles regularily have winners of 40+. In the case of a cat 3 players coming in with 36 - 38 points, which I would consider a good score on any day, it seems unfair that they are getting .1 back. In this scenario is it possible that ss is wrong? Also is it true that if css is >3 of ss it is reduction only?

I'm not too sure on that one, I know that in Portmarnock Links, par71 SS of 74 on the championship stakes, there have been more than a few occasions where CSS was 77 and .1's were handed out during the Winter.

Unglika Norse

carnsoreboxer wrote: »

Firstly apologies Licksy I spelt your name wrong! I was in a hurry looked back over my posting and it's all over the place.

I understand catagories, and in ladies golf cat 5 isn't taken into consideration only cats 1 - 4.

I am thinking specifically of a club where weekly singles regularily have winners of 40+. In the case of a cat 3 players coming in with 36 - 38 points, which I would consider a good score on any day, it seems unfair that they are getting .1 back. In this scenario is it possible that ss is wrong? Also is it true that if css is >3 of ss it is reduction only?

It is possible that the sss is wrong and the GUI look at this in each club at the end of the year if the CSS continually is at varience with the SSS the SSS may be changed, you are also correct in the case of reduction only which may happen if no cat1 cat 2 Cat3 or cat 4 in the case of ladies have scores at better than 2 over the sss

PhilipMarlowe

The SSS in my home club was changed after a review this year (by the GUI) but the reasons for this could be mixed... maybe it was because the course was ~10 years old and obviously the character of the course would change as trees grow etc.

Regarding the CSS, it's calculated on the day and there are a few options... it is however linked to the SSS of the course.
It can be SSS-1, =SSS, SSS+1, SSS+2, SSS+3 and SSS+3 (Reductions Only) so that kind of answers how sometimes the CSS will be SSS+3 and you can get .1's back and other times you don't get any .1's back, only cuts (Reductions Only).

At my course, the SSS from the back tees is now 73 with a par of 71 so it makes it easier to hit the buffer/get cut... makes me happier (if only I could get to play golf).
From the white tees the SSS has also increased by one up to 71 so the same applies. Like Mister Sifter, I would usually not enjoy playing off the whites previously because you'd have a SSS of 70 and maybe a CSS of 69 which put too much of a squeeze on in my opinion.

Regarding the high number of points and still getting .1 back, I guess it really depends on how easy the course actually plays.

thegen

CSS can be a real pain as Licksy and Sifter have said.

Played in our Presidents prize and shot a 74 net in woeful conditions, finished 13th out of 100+. Get email that night and CSS is in at 72 so a .1 back. Play following week and shoot a 70 net, get email to say cut .1 CSS set at 71. I understand the cut as I came 4th and conditions were good with good scoring on the day but the .1 back really pissed me off as there were 17 n/rs on the day.

Rant Over.

Come on Europe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

curly from cork

our course is a par 72. sss is 69 . i have won best gross a few times with 36 points and still get point ones back . i always feel hard done by. in need 37 to be in my buffer. psychologically it kills me.. maybe im just a moaner , but there you go .