Wrong Vehicle Registration...

LXS220AR156

Hello guys,

I'm new to this forum and I'm looking for some advise.

A couple of weeks ago I bought a motor over in the UK and drove it back to Ireland.

The car is a Lexus IS 220D SE.

While calculating the VRT If I put that the car is standard (non SE) then the tax is around 3.600 euros but If I select that it is the SE I see that the tax is over 4.000.

I'm thinking of registering as the standard version for the time being.

My question is this, is it possible to change the vehicle model on the registration after some time, in a couple of months let's say?

If I leave it as standard on the reg and then want to sell it one day then if the potential buyer runs a check it will show up as the standard while the car is actually an SE. That will sound suspicious and might find it difficult to sell.

Thanks for any feedback.

George

Atlantic Dawn

NCT centres now run VRT inspections and they will check it and know it's an SE so you will have to pay the €4000 to register it.

Seth Brundle

Very doubtful. I can't see the revenue having missed this opportunity for increasing VRT - in fact, does the VLC not say that it's an SE?

LXS220AR156

kbannon wrote: »

Very doubtful. I can't see the revenue having missed this opportunity for increasing VRT - in fact, does the VLC not say that it's an SE?

Thanks for the quick reply.

I don't have the VLC yet, all I have is the Invoice of purchasing the car from the dealer and the New Keeper bit of the UK registration document which doesn't say the model of the car.

Rgds

George

rebel.ranter

To top it all off they will probably more than €4,000 in VRT for it the way things are going lately with VRT.

It just struck me there that the government are shooting themselves in the foot on the VRT on 2nd hand cars. It is in their interest for punters to import 2nd cars rather than buy locally an extra source of direct revenue. They also wiped out the €315 opportunity to buy registrations too, few will choose the €1,000 option now.

Atlantic Dawn

LXS220AR156 wrote: »

Thanks for the quick reply.

I don't have the VLC yet, all I have is the Invoice of purchasing the car from the dealer and the New Keeper bit of the UK registration document which doesn't say the model of the car.

Rgds

George

I am afraid you have the wrong documentation, you should have left the export part of the V5 with the dealer and kept the rest of the V5 yourself. You will not be able to register it without the V5 and the DVLA will not send the V5 to a non UK address.

LXS220AR156

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

NCT centres now run VRT inspections and they will check it and know it's an SE so you will have to pay the €4000 to register it.

Thanks for the feedback.

The soonest time I can pass it from NCT here in Galway it's going to be some time by the end of January.

What I was hoping for is to register it as standard now that I'm kinfd off dry economically and then in a couple of months changing it to SE and pay the rest money.

Does anybody knows if it's possible?

LXS220AR156

There are many ads in Donedeal with cars advertised as 1,4 when they are 1,8. Or it's 1.3 N/A on the log book but advertised as 1,3 turbo.

The guys advertising these cars even mention this as an advantage that will have low insurance, tax etc.

How these haven't been caught while the NCT test?

Atlantic Dawn

LXS220AR156 wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback.

The soonest time I can pass it from NCT here in Galway it's going to be some time by the end of January.

What I was hoping for is to register it as standard now that I'm kinfd off dry economically and then in a couple of months changing it to SE and pay the rest money.

Does anybody knows if it's possible?

NCT are now doing the vehicle inspections to register cars now, this is completely seperate to the NCT test which will also have to be done. They will check the spec of the car matches what you are trying to declare it as.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/revised-procedures.html

http://www.ncts.ie/vrt.html

Seth Brundle

Not a hope!

LXS220AR156

Thanks very much guys.

Rgds

George

CiniO

LXS220AR156 wrote: »

Thanks for the quick reply.

I don't have the VLC yet, all I have is the Invoice of purchasing the car from the dealer and the New Keeper bit of the UK registration document which doesn't say the model of the car.

Rgds

George

You don't have VLC yet? Where are you going to get it from?
You need to have VLC prior to registering it in Ireland. Seller should have given it to you.

LXS220AR156

CiniO wrote: »

You don't have VLC yet? Where are you going to get it from?
You need to have VLC prior to registering it in Ireland. Seller should have given it to you.

Hello CiniO,

Together with the seller we filled the VC5 document where I entered my address and I only got the V5C/2 bit of document with title NEW KEEPER SUPPLEMENT.

That had to be sent to DVLA and then they suppose to send me the new V5C with my own name on it.

What worries me is that after 4 weeks I still haven't received it.

Do you know how long that usually takes?

Rgds

George

CarMuppet

Hi George. Just Wondering I you own an Alfa 156 as well?

LXS220AR156

CarMuppet wrote: »

Hi George. Just Wondering I you own an Alfa 156 as well?

Yep...

CiniO

LXS220AR156 wrote: »

Hello CiniO,

Together with the seller we filled the VC5 document where I entered my address and I only got the V5C/2 bit of document with title NEW KEEPER SUPPLEMENT.

That had to be sent to DVLA and then they suppose to send me the new V5C with my own name on it.

What worries me is that after 4 weeks I still haven't received it.

Do you know how long that usually takes?

Rgds

George

You used the wrong procedure.
As you are not resident in UK, you can't just fill new owner details on the V5C. You should have taken his V5C with you.
If you are lucky DVLA will send you his V5C (exact the same one as you filled with him), but I don't think they are obliged to do it. Just call them and ask what to do now, as you need some kind of car document, and you unfortunetely didn't take it with you during the transaction.

corktina

LXS220AR156 wrote: »

Hello CiniO,

Together with the seller we filled the VC5 document where I entered my address and I only got the V5C/2 bit of document with title NEW KEEPER SUPPLEMENT.

That had to be sent to DVLA and then they suppose to send me the new V5C with my own name on it.

What worries me is that after 4 weeks I still haven't received it.

Do you know how long that usually takes?

Rgds

George

I dont think you can get a V5C with a non-Uk address on it....the seller should have given you the complete document, its all on the DVLA website.You'd better contact teh DVLA and see what they can do for you.

LXS220AR156

CiniO wrote: »

You used the wrong procedure.
As you are not resident in UK, you can't just fill new owner details on the V5C. You should have taken his V5C with you.
If you are lucky DVLA will send you his V5C (exact the same one as you filled with him), but I don't think they are obliged to do it. Just call them and ask what to do now, as you need some kind of car document, and you unfortunetely didn't take it with you during the transaction.

Thanks for the quick reply even though it isn't what I wanted to hear.

TBH I asked the guy if DVLA was going to send the document to Ireland and he confirmed that yes, they will.

The other thing is that the V5C had the name of the dealership on it and I thought that this had to change into my name before I become the new owner and that the New Keeper Supplement bit was good enough to register the car.

Many friends have registered cars with just that bit of paper but I guess that was all before the 1st of sept. when the process changed.

Anyway, thanks again

-Corkie-

CiniO wrote: »

You used the wrong procedure.
As you are not resident in UK, you can't just fill new owner details on the V5C. You should have taken his V5C with you.
If you are lucky DVLA will send you his V5C (exact the same one as you filled with him), but I don't think they are obliged to do it. Just call them and ask what to do now, as you need some kind of car document, and you unfortunetely didn't take it with you during the transaction.

Thats correct. The op was told this earlier in the thread and ignored the advice. He will have to back to the dealer in the u.k.

LXS220AR156

-Corkie- wrote: »

Thats correct. The op was told this earlier in the thread and ignored the advice. He will have to back to the dealer in the u.k.

Hello Corkie,

it's not that I ignored the advice, honestly not but if you got people that have already imported cars telling you that you simply pop to the Tax office and say that you wanna register the car you get confused and don't know who to believe.

Anyway..

Cheers

George

Our man in Havana

Ask the DVLA for an export cert. That will be enough to register the car.

johnos1984

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I am afraid you have the wrong documentation, you should have left the export part of the V5 with the dealer and kept the rest of the V5 yourself. You will not be able to register it without the V5 and the DVLA will not send the V5 to a non UK address.

Although I cannot confirm if it is standard practice they did forward me the document to my Irish address and explained the car could only be registered to an address in England or Wales (I sent the document to Cardiff).

Unfortunately OP it took mine over 8 weeks to arrive after I sent the wrong piece to the DVLA.

You live and learn, however AFAIK you can ring the DVLA for a copy of the document to be forwarded to you so don't get too worried about that

galwaytt

corktina wrote: »

I dont think you can get a V5C with a non-Uk address on it....the seller should have given you the complete document, its all on the DVLA website.You'd better contact teh DVLA and see what they can do for you.

yes you can - but it could take up to 2 months. My brother made the same mistake.

I don't understand this at all - does nobody read either the DVLA site, or the actual V5C at all ? If you are exporting the car, as a new buyer, you BRING the V5C with you, when you bring the car. It states specifically on the DVLA site that 'certain countries' require the V5C to register the car in their country's. And that includes RoI.

I bought a BeeEmm of a policeman in Edinburgh a few years ago, when this issue came up, he didn't believe me. I wasn't taking it if I couldn't have the V5. So, he rang up the DVLA there and then, in front of me, and they told him all he had to do was advise the DVLA in writing that the car was exported.

I got the V5C, and the vehicle. No issue.

Del2005

LXS220AR156 wrote: »

There are many ads in Donedeal with cars advertised as 1,4 when they are 1,8. Or it's 1.3 N/A on the log book but advertised as 1,3 turbo.

The guys advertising these cars even mention this as an advantage that will have low insurance, tax etc.

How these haven't been caught while the NCT test?

The NCT only tests safety and roadworthyness (sp?) not the spec of the vehicle.

The new registration NCT inspection will (hopefully) stop these from now on but any in country will remain as they are.

BTW it doesn't really mater what the VLC says, you need to inform your insurer of the correct details or you could have your policy voided/3rd party only claims paid out.

LXS220AR156 wrote: »

Hello CiniO,

Together with the seller we filled the VC5 document where I entered my address and I only got the V5C/2 bit of document with title NEW KEEPER SUPPLEMENT.

That had to be sent to DVLA and then they suppose to send me the new V5C with my own name on it.

What worries me is that after 4 weeks I still haven't received it.

Do you know how long that usually takes?

Rgds

George

Is there any penalty for not bringing the car for NCT VRT inspection within the 7 day limit?

thenashlegend

LXS220AR156 wrote: »

What I was hoping for is to register it as standard now that I'm kinfd off dry economically and then in a couple of months changing it to SE and pay the rest money.

No offence meant, but if your that "dry economically" why would you bother importing a Lexus 220d?
If things were that bad, is it really a car you should be spending money on??
Even now I'd say its better to register it as the SE, its just going to end in more hassle wherever your caught out!!

galwaytt

Del2005 wrote: »

The NCT only tests safety and roadworthyness (sp?) not the spec of the vehicle.

Not so - it specifically checks the spec of the vehicle. The thought I suppose was that the NCT people 'know' more about cars than Revenue.........

Btw, I don't think the spec is on the V5C - it'll probably just say Toyota,oops, Lexus , saloon, 4-doors, diesel, 2200cc, xxxg CO/KM.

The spec will come from enquiring on the VIN number..........

Del2005

galwaytt wrote: »

Not so - it specifically checks the spec of the vehicle. The thought I suppose was that the NCT people 'know' more about cars than Revenue.........

Btw, I don't think the spec is on the V5C - it'll probably just say Toyota,oops, Lexus , saloon, 4-doors, diesel, 2200cc, xxxg CO/KM.

The spec will come from enquiring on the VIN number..........

The NCT doesn't check the car spec it's a roadworthyness/safety test.

Applus+ operate the NCT and have now won the tender from the revenue to inspect cars before registration.

The VRT inspection is totally separate from the NCT, they just happen to be done by the same people.

kincaid

I purchased a few cars across the water and the first time i had to wait 8 weeks on the so called export certificate to come from Swansea which was the same as a logbook.. But now with UK Dealers I see they usually give you the logbook (if you say you need it for registration) keep section 9 and sometimes 11 for themselves and notify swansea that the vehicles has been permanantly exported..

it can be annoying otherwise as your not sure when a certificate will arrive

EPM

Just remember if it's registered incorrectly then you go into a grey area regarding insurance. Now there probably wont be a whole lot in the quotes between the two but if the worst happened they like to explore every available avanue to get out of paying.

For the sake of €400 it's hardly worth it - not that you'll get away with it anyway but there's more to this than saving a few quid.

corktina

kincaid wrote: »

I purchased a few cars across the water and the first time i had to wait 8 weeks on the so called export certificate to come from Swansea which was the same as a logbook.. But now with UK Dealers I see they usually give you the logbook (if you say you need it for registration) keep section 9 and sometimes 11 for themselves and notify swansea that the vehicles has been permanantly exported..

it can be annoying otherwise as your not sure when a certificate will arrive

the export certs procedure is only for the registered owner exporting the car himself. No wonder there are long delays when people dont follow the set down procedure!

galwaytt

Del2005 wrote: »

The NCT doesn't check the car spec it's a roadworthyness/safety test.

Applus+ operate the NCT and have now won the tender from the revenue to inspect cars before registration.

The VRT inspection is totally separate from the NCT, they just happen to be done by the same people.

I know the NCT isn't the VRT check, what I meant was, that the NCT people (Applus) now have the contract to to the VRT check for Revenue. But I do predict we'll see more post about 'I got charged extra VRT for alloys/leather/auto etc etc', in the future.......

corktina

yes but what they SHOULD be posting is "I didnt get away with NOT paying it this time like before"

kincaid

you dont need to be the registered owwner to get an export certificate,(unless this has changed) i didnt get logbook with the car and rang swansea who told me that this was the correct procedure to follow and sent me out the certificate and it was free too
they just put you down as keeper, all that appeared on the cert was my name but no address.. took this to the vrt at the time and was the same as the logbook and vrt'd it with no problems