Diesel/Petrol price increases Budget 2010

eagerv

Have a feeling motorists are going to get a hefty increase on fuel prices in December.

Looking at average UK prices and average prices here, my guess is an increase of at least 5 Cent on Petrol and 15 Cent on Diesel.

What do people think?

bmw535d

i cant afford that:mad:

EDIT: no problem if they bring down the road tax on my 3.0litre car that does 50mpg.

Joey the lips

i agree... on increases that is...I also wonder why diesel wont go further with more cars using it...The govt must be loosing serious revenue.

I reckon once a system is figured out for truckers diesel is going to go through the roof....after all...on 10 ltrs of oil 2.5 is only diesel compared to 7.5 petrol


Additionally I cannot see the cheap road tax lasting long either...

eagerv

I think diesel will probably get a hammering. Probably wont touch other motoring taxation except perhaps fiddling a bit with the co2 bands.

Squall19

If they touch diesel, then they really are stupid.

Every business in the country will feel that.Petrol increase will only affect ous who communite, but a diesel increase will only make the cost of living higher for everyone and more job losses!They should be lowering the cost of living, such ****in idiots.

wersal gummage

Joey the lips wrote: »

Additionally I cannot see the cheap road tax lasting long either...

what cheap road tax would that be ?????

-Corkie-

wersal gummage wrote: »

what cheap road tax would that be ?????

The 105 euro for some diesel cars.

nogoodnamesleft

-Corkie- wrote: »

The 105 euro for some diesel cars.

+1 from 2008 on motor tax changed to emissions as opposed to cc.

So for a 2008+ skoda superb greenline road tax is 156euro annually. Compared to what im driving at the moment 1.9 Passat which was 580euro for the year ...ouch

-Corkie-

nogoodnamesleft wrote: »

+1 from 2008 on motor tax changed to emissions as opposed to cc.

So for a 2008+ skoda superb greenline road tax is 156euro annually. Compared to what im driving at the moment 1.9 Passat which was 580euro for the year ...ouch

I can see them either raising the new rates or even abolishing the Co2 rates and put everyone on the old system...:eek:

They cannot raise the price of diesel. It will criple every transport company in the country. Road tax for your average truck is €2,500 p/a.

wersal gummage

-Corkie- wrote: »

The 105 euro for some diesel cars.

ah yes of course. thanks for reminding me

would there be a problem for the government though to increase tax on these cars to any great extent ?? likewise with diesel prices. i mean, they've incentivised low emission diesel cars - wait two or three years till people buy them - then hammer them on tax ???? i know legally there's nothing stopping them, but politically would it be something they could do ??

-Corkie-

wersal gummage wrote: »

ah yes of course. thanks for reminding me

would there be a problem for the government though to increase tax on these cars to any great extent ?? likewise with diesel prices. i mean, they've incentivised low emission diesel cars - wait two or three years till people buy them - then hammer them on tax ???? i know legally there's nothing stopping them, but politically would it be something they could do ??

Politically????. Theres nothing stopping them. Like the County council they could do just anything..

Atlantic Dawn

I'd say 5% on road tax and 5 cent on a litre of both fuels, that's a best case scenario, I expect a lot worst.

peasant

Fuel prices will raise themselves, they had better leave them alone, they were only recently increased with this stupid carbon tax anyway.

As Ireland falls ever deeper into recession, all around us other countries are slowly coming out of it, demand for oil is going to rise again and so is the price which is quite low at the moment.

Give it a few more months and diesel will be 1.50 without any increase in the budget

BostonB

I can't see the greens would let them turn back the clock on the CO2 bands.

They'll just nudge all the bands upwards.

eagerv

-Corkie- wrote: »

I can see them either raising the new rates or even abolishing the Co2 rates and put everyone on the old system...:eek:

They cannot raise the price of diesel. It will criple every transport company in the country. Road tax for your average truck is €2,500 p/a.

I agree, but when you compare the price of diesel from our nearest neighbours, its easy to see them take the easy option.

eagerv

peasant wrote: »

Fuel prices will raise themselves, they had better leave them alone, they were only recently increased with this stupid carbon tax anyway.

As Ireland falls ever deeper into recession, all around us other countries are slowly coming out of it, demand for oil is going to rise again and so is the price which is quite low at the moment.

Give it a few more months and diesel will be 1.50 without any increase in the budget

Quite probably, however I can unfortunately see our diesel price difference vanishing, bringing us in line with other countries. Hope I am wrong...

Tragedy

I'd say remove the lowest price(€105) and bump every band up(€105 becomes €156, €156 becomes €302 etc etc until €630 where they'll hopefully create a new band between €630 and €1050!).

L1011

I could see us moving to the UK's tighter bands, although their road tax is a lot lower the progession up the scale is at lower emissions levels.

ronaneire

Anything is possible with the shower of clowns running the Country, any increases in diesel will cripple a lot of sme's.
However I can see an increase in road tax.

PAULWATSON

There is a much bigger agenda at work. The private motorist will be priced off the road within the next 5 years, end of story.

BostonB

PAULWATSON wrote: »

There is a much bigger agenda at work. The private motorist will be priced off the road within the next 5 years, end of story.

They can't get motor tax people who aren't the road.

eagerv

Cant see them making any major changes to motor tax or vrt, its too soon since 2008. The government is apparently committed rightly or wrongly to the principal of the polluter paying. So, as per my original post, how much do you reckon will go on diesel and petrol in the budget?

Joey the lips

Squall19 wrote: »

If they touch diesel, then they really are stupid.

Every business in the country will feel that.Petrol increase will only affect ous who communite, but a diesel increase will only make the cost of living higher for everyone and more job losses!They should be lowering the cost of living, such ****in idiots.

Thats incorrect...an increase in vat wont effect business as its entitled to claim it back...;)

No doubt they could introduce a business rebate system as well..

PAULWATSON

PAULWATSON wrote: »

There is a much bigger agenda at work. The private motorist will be priced off the road within the next 5 years, end of story.

Complete and utter horsesh1t, I'll bump this thread in Sep 2015

Joey the lips wrote: »

Thats incorrect...an increase in vat wont effect business as its entitled to claim it back...;)

No doubt they could introduce a business rebate system as well..

claiming bacj VAT won't stop stuff getting more expensive for everyone

Joey the lips

RoverJames wrote: »

claiming bacj VAT won't stop stuff getting more expensive for everyone

I never said it would not. In fact i argued that prices will go up and the poster that i replied to said govt will not put up diesel....

I too think that is horse [EMAIL="sh@t"]sh@t[/EMAIL] as you say.

johndaman66

I'm at the point where I reckon I'll just park up the car, check how long I can keep my ncb for and start using me bicycle if they throw anything much more on the price of a litre of unleaded and/ or increase motor tax rates in the forthcoming budget. Think its getting near to the point of diminishing returns if were not past it already for that matter. Am sure there are more out there that feel the same way as me.

Eric Cartman

if they want to increase the price of diesel they have to do it in VAT, i cant face any more diesel increases , nobody self employed / running a business can, its too f*ckin expensive now , with the price per barrel diesel should be back at 89c a litre where it was in 08/09 , those were savage times, now its 1.25 most places and its killing SME's

mikemac

Pedantic point but the title of the next budget is Budget 2011
We had Budget 2010 last year

Interesting thread

Joey the lips

feelingstressed wrote: »

Pedantic point but the title of the next budget is Budget 2011
We had Budget 2010 last year

Interesting thread

Forgive me for being pandantic make sure you click on follow....

Your right it is an interesting thread....

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if they want to increase the price of diesel they have to do it in VAT, i cant face any more diesel increases , nobody self employed / running a business can, its too f*ckin expensive now , with the price per barrel diesel should be back at 89c a litre where it was in 08/09 , those were savage times, now its 1.25 most places and its killing SME's

You're 20 or 21 and just shelled out on a new 4x4 crew cab yoke and you can't face anymore diesel increases ? Seriously ? If things were that bad you'd be in a 1991 Hilux. It's not the price of diesel that is killing SMEs. In many sectors there are still far too many SMEs that can be sustained given the lack of activity in the country, builders and the like especially.

mikemac

Joey the lips wrote: »

Forgive me for being pandantic make sure you click on follow....

Relax would you, I saw the thread title and was going to comment on the changes in the last year and got to read predictions, yes interesting

ronaneire

Joey the lips wrote: »

Thats incorrect...an increase in vat wont effect business as its entitled to claim it back...;)

No doubt they could introduce a business rebate system as well..

When they increase the price of diesel or petrol it's not on the VAT it goes but in the excise duties, this we know can't be claimed back.

Joey the lips

ronaneire wrote: »

When they increase the price of diesel or petrol it's not on the VAT it goes but in the excise duties, this we know can't be claimed back.

Oh my apologies.... I am indeeed enlightened... Thank you

eagerv

feelingstressed wrote: »

Pedantic point but the title of the next budget is Budget 2011
We had Budget 2010 last year

Interesting thread

Thanks for that. Should have noticed, speaking as a pedant myself!

Max Power1

Joey the lips wrote: »

Forgive me for being pandantic make sure you click on follow....

Your right it is an interesting thread....

its actually "pedantic".

/pedant

PAULWATSON

RoverJames wrote: »

Complete and utter horsesh1t, I'll bump this thread in Sep 2015

Time will tell, pal.

Should things not be apparent already, I suggest you go and do some research.

BostonB

Max Power1 wrote: »

its actually "pedantic".

/pedant

You just couldn't resist that one

daRobot

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Time will tell, pal.

Should things not be apparent already, I suggest you go and do some research.

Just to be clear, are you saying that there is a conspiracy within the Government to reduce the numbers of private motorists, by out-pricing them?

Doesn't really make sense on any level to me, but i'd be very interested to see what your research has highlighted.