RTE news showing a guy injecting heroin/pictures of hanged men in star

CD.

did any one else see RTE news last night which showed a guy cooking up heroin, then filling a syringe with it and injecting?

It struck me as an odd thing to show on the national news, though people arn't going to suddenly say, hang on, that makes me want to go shoot up some heroin cos it looks deadly but it is still odd.

also, there were pictures in the star (don't normally read it, it was there, i was bored) of two men being hanged. one of Saddam Hussein and another of some randomer they didnt identify. i thought it was a bit extreme to have, anyone can pick it up and read the thing.

is this the way society is going? that some people are getting desensitiesed from seeing stuff on the internet, so its fine to show the rest of the population such things?

the pictures were not bloody or anything, the saddam one was just a close up of his head, the other guy was full body. the news showed step by step, the heroin on the spoon, cooking it, filling the syringe then the syringe actually going into the guys arm.

Logical Fallacy

No point in hiding from **** to be honest.

My name is URL

If you absorb that crap you're already doomed

mikemac

The Star is a fooking rag

In 2000, they show a picture of motorcycle legend Joey Dunlop as he lay dead on the ground.

I boycotted that paper ten years ago.
Such was the outrage some shops did too though I'd say most have taken back the Star by now
Even now in 2010 posters in Motorsport forum were discussing it on the 10 year anniversary

RIP Joey

Esse85

feelingstressed wrote: »

The Star is a fooking rag

In 2000, they show a picture of motorcycle legend Joey Dunlop as he lay dead on the ground.

I boycotted that paper ten years ago.
Such was the outrage some shops did too though I'd say most have taken back the Star by now
Even now in 2010 posters in Motorsport forum were discussing it on the 10 year anniversary

RIP Joey

Compared to The Sun, it's clean cut.

about blank

CD. wrote: »

did any one else see RTE news last night which showed a guy cooking up heroin, then filling a syringe with it and injecting?

It struck me as an odd thing to show on the national news, though people arn't going to suddenly say, hang on, that makes me want to go shoot up some heroin cos it looks deadly but it is still odd.

also, there were pictures in the star (don't normally read it, it was there, i was bored) of two men being hanged. one of Saddam Hussein and another of some randomer they didnt identify. i thought it was a bit extreme to have, anyone can pick it up and read the thing.

is this the way society is going? that some people are getting desensitiesed from seeing stuff on the internet, so its fine to show the rest of the population such things?

the pictures were not bloody or anything, the saddam one was just a close up of his head, the other guy was full body. the news showed step by step, the heroin on the spoon, cooking it, filling the syringe then the syringe actually going into the guys arm.

In fairness you don't have to watch the news or read the paper..

JJJJNR

what ever you do don't google maniacs in dnepropetrovsk you'll be awake for weeks.

Terry

CD. wrote: »

did any one else see RTE news last night which showed a guy cooking up heroin, then filling a syringe with it and injecting?

It struck me as an odd thing to show on the national news, though people arn't going to suddenly say, hang on, that makes me want to go shoot up some heroin cos it looks deadly but it is still odd.

also, there were pictures in the star (don't normally read it, it was there, i was bored) of two men being hanged. one of Saddam Hussein and another of some randomer they didnt identify. i thought it was a bit extreme to have, anyone can pick it up and read the thing.

is this the way society is going? that some people are getting desensitiesed from seeing stuff on the internet, so its fine to show the rest of the population such things?

the pictures were not bloody or anything, the saddam one was just a close up of his head, the other guy was full body. the news showed step by step, the heroin on the spoon, cooking it, filling the syringe then the syringe actually going into the guys arm.

What's a "Randomer", and why should I care about a member of this ethnic group being hanged?

yoshytoshy

I'd say a lot of people that inject heroin ,got there because of ignorance.

Surely people who inject are already strung out from smoking it.

Absurdum

shooting up heroin eh? that's like making a cup of tea to the average Dubliner
if you believe the hype in here

pablomakaveli

They showed a decapitated guys head on the cover of one sunday red top a few months ago.

They often show pictures of palestinians who have been killed. There was also a picture of a suicide bombers head (which amazingly was perfectly intact though the rest of him had been blown to pieces)

The showing of pictures like these seems to be fairly frequent tbh.

Absurdum

pablomakaveli wrote: »

They showed a decapitated guys head on the cover of one sunday red top a few months ago.

They often show pictures of palestinians who have been killed. There was also a picture of a suicide bombers head (which amazingly was perfectly intact though the rest of him had been blown to pieces)

The showing of pictures like these seems to be fairly frequent tbh.

and yet those same pieces of sh1t publish false stories like this when it suits them :rolleyes:

Lapin

CD. wrote: »

did any one else see RTE news last night which showed a guy cooking up heroin, then filling a syringe with it and injecting?

Unfortunately the answer is yes.
People being strung out on heroin (or other drugs) is not news.
Its common knowledge.

We know it is a sad fact of life. What we don't need is a national broadcaster showing us how its done at teatime.
The news item in question related to a survey that found drug abuse in Ireland is on the increase since the downturn in the economy.
The footage shown had little bearing on the subject matter other than the fact that it depicted a heroin addict doing what heroin addicts do.

By this example, if a survey produces evidence to show that cases of domestic violence are on the increase due to the recession, would RTE broadcast real footage of a man beating his wife or vice versa, or a mother literally kicking her kids up the stairs to bed ?

I doubt it somehow.

I don't need to see it broadcast as proof that such problems exist anymore than I want to see a junkie stab himself in the arm with whatever sh1t he had in his syringe.

Yesterdays footage on the Six-One news was little more than RTE using the recession to turn a valid news item into a sensation.

Terry

yoshytoshy wrote: »

I'd say a lot of people that inject heroin ,got there because of ignorance.

Surely people who inject are already strung out from smoking it.

No. you're just ignorant yourself.
Heroin is only addictive if you do it.

You can live a completely normal life on heroin, but only if it's pure.
Yeah, you'll be completely off your nut for the first couple of years, but once you reach your tolerance level, you can take it and feel completely normal.

Pure heroin is completely safe for addicts. It's far safer than street heroin.

Mind you, if you want to quit you will have to through horrible withdrawal, but the government will sort you out with a bit of methadone. The bastards should be giving you real heroin to make you feel normal, but the anti-drug **** are against those who want to live their lives in a permanent state of confusion, or supplement those who have become so immune to a harmless drug that they just need a quick hit to live a normal life.

Heroin should be legal so that addicts can walk around in a zombie state. It's their right as citizens of this nation.

Whoops. Sorry about that. I was chanelling a former regular boardsie who admitted to regularly taking heroin without becoming addicted. Haven't seen him in a while, and his alter-egos haven't been around either. I wonder what happened.

Anyway, to hell with that heroin stuff. Like any good Irishman with a kilo of coke and some mixing agents, I'm gonna have some crack.

Odysseus

The images on the news are where as you said basic enough. Personally I don't see anything wrong with it, however, as far as I can remember RTE News have been showing IV drug in the same way as yesterdays image for at least 10 years if not more.

CD. wrote: »

did any one else see RTE news last night which showed a guy cooking up heroin, then filling a syringe with it and injecting?

It struck me as an odd thing to show on the national news, though people arn't going to suddenly say, hang on, that makes me want to go shoot up some heroin cos it looks deadly but it is still odd.

also, there were pictures in the star (don't normally read it, it was there, i was bored) of two men being hanged. one of Saddam Hussein and another of some randomer they didnt identify. i thought it was a bit extreme to have, anyone can pick it up and read the thing.

is this the way society is going? that some people are getting desensitiesed from seeing stuff on the internet, so its fine to show the rest of the population such things?

the pictures were not bloody or anything, the saddam one was just a close up of his head, the other guy was full body. the news showed step by step, the heroin on the spoon, cooking it, filling the syringe then the syringe actually going into the guys arm.

yoshytoshy

Terry wrote: »

No. you're just ignorant yourself.
Heroin is only addictive if you do it.

So when a kid smokes it for the first time ,the needles are in front of them aswell ?

I think the needle wasn't the only point ,I was getting at.

Terry

yoshytoshy wrote: »

So when a kid smokes it for the first time ,the needles are in front of them aswell ?

I think the needle wasn't the only point ,I was getting at.

I was joking. Please re-read my post.

Heh. Just posted that and lit a cigarette.
Government sponsored addictions are great.

ScumLord

CD. wrote: »

also, there were pictures in the star (don't normally read it, it was there, i was bored)

That's how it starts though, one day you read the star out of boredom and next thing you know your a heroin addict.

yoshytoshy

Terry wrote: »

I was joking. Please re-read my post.

Heh. Just posted that and lit a cigarette.
Government sponsored addictions are great.

I never read a book in my life ,so I don't have a good concept of written humor (excusay moi)

gurramok

Well, maybe showing those pictures will hit home to most of us of what life is really like in a our Fair City as lets face it, alot of us brush it under the carpet and then scream why when a junkie zombie walks in front of your car while you're on your commute across the city.

Terry

yoshytoshy wrote: »

I never read a book in my life ,so I don't have a good concept of written humor (excusay moi)

I wrote a book once.
Everyone laughed. They laughed even more when I told them that it's not a comedy.

mickydoomsux

gurramok wrote: »

Well, maybe showing those pictures will hit home to most of us of what life is really like in a our Fair City as lets face it, alot of us brush it under the carpet and then scream why when a junkie zombie walks in front of your car while you're on your commute across the city.

Yeah, you should speed up when you see the waste of skin stepping of the kerb and do the rest of us a favour.

Lapin

gurramok wrote: »

Well, maybe showing those pictures will hit home to most of us of what life is really like in a our Fair City as lets face it, alot of us brush it under the carpet and then scream why when a junkie zombie walks in front of your car while you're on your commute across the city.

No it won't.
In fact showing people shooting up on tv won't make a damn bit of difference.
But it doesn't make it right

Just like showing real scenes of a woman beating her kids out of her sight and up the stairs so that she can have a quiet night in with her friend Mr Smirnoff downstairs isn't right either. And its got nothing to do with brushing if under the carpet.

The fact that such things happen doesn't mean they have to be broadcast on the news.

Its not news anymore. Never was.

gurramok

Lapin wrote: »

No it won't.
In fact showing people shooting up on tv won't make a damn bit of difference.
But it doesn't make it right

Just like showing real scenes of a woman beating her kids out of her sight and up the stairs so that she can have a quiet night in with her friend Mr Smirnoff downstairs isn't right either. And its got nothing to do with brushing if under the carpet.

The fact that such things happen doesn't mean they have to be broadcast on the news.

Its not news anymore. Never was.

It is to hob nobs passing in their Beamers.

Odysseus

Lapin wrote: »

Its not news anymore. Never was.

But it is news, it was in reference to the need for better access to treatment services outside of Dublin, in particular highlighting the heroin problem in the Midlands. That is news for a lot of people, especially those living in that area.

orourkeda

To think I did a degree in Journalism and I cant even get a job with one of these rags.

I feel nauseous.

JONJO THE MISER

feelingstressed wrote: »

The Star is a fooking rag

In 2000, they show a picture of motorcycle legend Joey Dunlop as he lay dead on the ground.

I boycotted that paper ten years ago.
Such was the outrage some shops did too though I'd say most have taken back the Star by now
Even now in 2010 posters in Motorsport forum were discussing it on the 10 year anniversary

RIP Joey

I remember that, big bike fan ill say no more about that:mad:

Lapin

Odysseus wrote: »

But it is news, it was in reference to the need for better access to treatment services outside of Dublin, in particular highlighting the heroin problem in the Midlands. That is news for a lot of people, especially those living in that area.

If that is news now, then why wasn't it news 10 or 20 years ago?
The need for better treatment services in the midlands didn't arise overnight.

And if it was news 10 or 20 years ago, why is it still news now?
Obviously that need has never been addressed if this is the case.

And while I agree that such facilities should be provided, I don't think the portrayal of images on the news with footage of a heroin addict shooting up is the best way to highlight the issue.

The fact that drug abuse is an issue is hardly front page stuff.
And broadcasting images of someone abusing drugs is hardly worthy a groundbreaking scoop.

I just don't see what purpose such images serve. Like I said before, let RTE show real images of domestic violence if they really want to prove a point.

Otherwise stick to the news and stop showing everyday images of other peoples misery for the sake of what is considered acceptable journalism.

Prof.Badass

I don't think you can compare footage of someone using heroin with photos of people being killed.

The main moral issue I have with publicising footage/images of someone's death is the issue of consent (I can fully understand how somone could not want a spectacle made of their final moments, let alone having other people profit from this spectacle).
With the heroin footage, I'm assuming the user gave consent so this issue doesn't exist.

starbelgrade

Prof.Badass wrote: »

With the heroin footage, I'm assuming the user gave consent so this issue doesn't exist.

RTE - "Can we film you as you inject your drugs?"

Junkie - "Wha? ... Do wha yis bleedin' want. Do I luk like I give a f*ck? I jus' wan' me bleedin' fix."

OutlawPete

Yet, if they showed a vagina or a penis, without which, we wouldn't even be here, the airwaves of talkshows and the switchboard at the Broadcasting Authority would light up like Christmas trees.

Even on Boards, we can have threads like the 'Photos That Shook The World' that shows people hacked to death, murdered, blown up, suffocating etc etc etc, but if someone posts a woman's bare breasts, they'll be banned.

Not knocking Mods by the way, but it just shows that the society in general has it's priorities twisted up in a bunch when it comes to what should offend and what shouldn't.

starbelgrade

OutlawPete wrote: »

Yet, if they showed a vagina or a penis, without which, we wouldn't even be here, the airwaves of talkshows and the switchboard at the Broadcasting Authority would light up like Christmas trees.

Even on Boards, we can have threads like the 'Photos That Shook The World' that shows people hacked to death, murdered, blown up, suffocating etc etc etc, but if someone posts a woman's bare breasts, they'll be banned.

Not knocking Mods by the way, but it just shows that the society in general has it's priorities twisted up in a bunch when it comes to what should offend and what shouldn't.

It's Ireland... sex is the last taboo.

Prof.Badass

starbelgrade wrote: »

It's Ireland... sex is the last taboo.

Sex isn't taboo...our issues are far more irrational than that.

Sex is everywhere! There's no lack of discussion on sex, nor is there any denial that it's going on. It's actually to the point where i think it's excessive. Even family-geared entertainment is often laden with innuendo that would probably fly completely over the head of a 6yo, but maybe not a smart 11yo. Even stuff as innocous as STI awareness ads, the title "sex and the city", and commonplace use of the word "sexy" etc. in the media- all things children are exposed to on a regular basis.

Not saying i'm very against these things (i don't really care), but the hypocrisy of the situation really annoys me. Somehow this is ok, but show some genitals or even a woman's breast and it's the worst thing ever?

Iirc the official reason that nudity/sexual scenes are 18+ is because those under this age are too impressionable. But do people really care about what messages are being sent to developing minds, or are they just trying to tow some reactionary line. Which is more likely to influence an impressionable young person's view of sexual morality (for arguments sake we'll say a 13/14yo);

Some simple nudity or even an explicit love/sex scene in which the characters are husband and wife.

Or

James bond being shown in bed with an endless succession of babes or the hip new american sitcom with constant references to casual sex and how everyone is doing it!

Again, I don't really care, but the irish don't have a hang up about sex, more a general prudishness/shame about our bodies or something, idk.

/rant.

hypervalve

Personally I found the piece extremely informative. I'll be the first to admit that I'm a complete novice when it comes to heroin. I'm embarrassed to admit that until now I've been cooking up using a fork instead of a spoon. It's made it very difficult to maintain my habit. Since seeing this piece I've switched to spoons and the difference is unbelievable.