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Prius and Fuel Economy
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24-09-2010 11:13pm#1
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how about Hybrid and electric thread ?
Walk before you can run.
The hybrid thread will do just fine. Until the ESB can actually provide a proper network of couplings then its all simply pillow talk and nobody will be encouraged to get a "lecy" car unless they are the "save the cheerleader, save the world" types.0 -
To be fair it probably deserves its own thread. There is too much knocking of the Prius by most people who are petrol heads but hybrids and renewable sources of energy are the way forward.
I actually saw a Tesla in County Cork today.
Anyway, the new shape Prius is quite nice to look at. Big alloys and a nice bit of kit on it as standard.
in reverse order.......
..nothing wrong with the look of the current Prius, I'll give you that.
...yes, there is knocking of the Prius more as a result of the fact that, economically, it's poor value. Paying a lot extra for a vehicle, to only match that of conventional technology (a small diesel), is well, false economy. Depreciation alone sees to that. However, if you just plain like the car, as a car, then, of course, you should buy it. I'm one (of many) who buy other, and as-often-equally-derided car choices, but hey, that doesn't stop me, either !
And I don't think Hybrid is the way forward, actually. At best it's an interim technology, until something better comes along - remember, there is nothing renewable, energy-wise, in a hybrid at all. Even the regenerative braking is there by dint of the kinetic energy imparted by........the fossil fuel it took to get it to it's terminal velocity in the first place !Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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Walk before you can run.
The hybrid thread will do just fine. Until the ESB can actually provide a proper network of couplings then its all simply pillow talk and nobody will be encouraged to get a "lecy" car unless they are the "save the cheerleader, save the world" types.
You know, even that won't do it. I'm writing this from Atlanta, where I've been for the last week, and I have to tell you, we at home are idiots for following this green philosophy to the extent we do, when, especially around here, no-one else is in the slightest bothered.
As of today, petrol is at an all-time high in this area, of Euor 0.66 per litre. That's right - approx one-half of what we're paying.
The current generation of cars, whilst being naturally more efficient, by dint of being new, are being sold on the basis of power, torque, acceleration, mass, even. Even a new Panamera in the showroom yesterday (at less than half the Irish price, btw.......:rolleyes: ), carries an EPA rating which rates it 50% better than the 'average sedan' car in the US, because it is efficient, not targetted on a specific mpg.
Likewise the Dodge dealership down the road: new Challenger (fab, btw), available in either 3.5L V6 (basic), 5.2L (iirc) popular spec, or 6.2L (iirc) top spec. Mpg is not a factor in buying these cars, not because they don't care, or because it's irrelevant, but because they want the cars, and they are reasonably priced, and, well, people don't like being 'told' what they 'have' to drive. Works for me, as they say.
Even my Mam's old car I've been driving all week, an 02 V8 Mercury, has only used US$39 worth of juice in 5 days of every-day use.Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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galwaytt. The MPG is not a factor in the US because you could argue they invade countries and steal their oil. But thats a story for another day.
If they were paying, 1.30c per litre and they will be eventually they wont be interested in big GAS guzzling big engined cars.
Don't get me wrong I would love a big V8 and to hell with the world itself but I cannot afford to tax or fill the tank in this country. If I was living in the US I would have a massive engined car.
However in this country we are all playing along to the green agenda because we have no choice unless you are loaded.
When you refer to the Hybrid technology and only being here in the interim and not the way forward: Yeah I agree with that. Hydrogen fuel cell technology like what Honda have is probably a good idea if we can only put it out on masse. We cannot get the lecy right in this country, let alone anything else.
Heck Bioethanol stations are few and far between.
Sometimes you just have to "give up" with the green agenda and start sucking down regular diesel and expensive petrol instead.0 -
in reverse order.......
..nothing wrong with the look of the current Prius, I'll give you that.
...yes, there is knocking of the Prius more as a result of the fact that, economically, it's poor value. Paying a lot extra for a vehicle, to only match that of conventional technology (a small diesel), is well, false economy. Depreciation alone sees to that. However, if you just plain like the car, as a car, then, of course, you should buy it. I'm one (of many) who buy other, and as-often-equally-derided car choices, but hey, that doesn't stop me, either !
And I don't think Hybrid is the way forward, actually. At best it's an interim technology, until something better comes along - remember, there is nothing renewable, energy-wise, in a hybrid at all. Even the regenerative braking is there by dint of the kinetic energy imparted by........the fossil fuel it took to get it to it's terminal velocity in the first place !
I suppose in some ways all technologies are "interim". But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't use them until the something better comes along - if they work. I agree that the hybrid may not be the way forward and it is certainly not a "renewable". But I don't think anyone makes that claim. The key thing is does is save on fuel? And in my experience it does. I can't think of any other family, saloon car with a 1.8l engine that will deliver 61mpg over 1200 miles with three adults and a boot load of luggage. Modern diesel engines are great but most of the fuel stats I see for them are manufacturers' claims, not the results of actual driving under varied conditions.0 -
This is true for the moment (though plug-in hybrids are on the way). That's not to say that hybrid (or hybrid-esque: see the chevy volt) cars don't have an important role. Sure, it's an 'interim' technology, but all technology is.And I don't think Hybrid is the way forward, actually. At best it's an interim technology, until something better comes along - remember, there is nothing renewable, energy-wise, in a hybrid at all.
Bear in mind that conventional car engines are at best about 20% efficient. That is, 20% of the fuel's calorific value actually ends up doing useful work. Electric tech has the potential to improve this figure significantly (and deliver perfect torque curves in the process
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daveharnett wrote: »Nope, I can't find a rival in the same size category that can manage 70mpg. That being said, I'd much rather a 2.0tdi with 150-170bhp and 55mpg, but each to his own I suppose.
+1billion.
Look at me I'm being enviormentally friendly with my my prius, oh god I'm driving a prius... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/3385410066_587711ab5f_o.jpg. 0 -
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murphyebass wrote: »+1billion.
Look at me I'm being enviormentally friendly with my my prius, oh god I'm driving a prius... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/3385410066_587711ab5f_o.jpg.
Well when you consider how dirty zinc mining is and how much pollution the creation and disposal of batteries for the prius causes, then you have to wonder how environmentally friendly you really are.0 -
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When you think about it all, we (the human race not just boards motors members
) will use up all of the oil available to us.
Thats a given. The only question is when. How long can we make it last.
So if we are going to use it all up anyway, then all that CO2 is going to be produced regardless.
So saddle up, get yourself a V8 and enjoy
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64848
we will use up all of the oil available to us.
Thats a given. The only question is when. How long can we make it last.
Indeed! And the point I find most interesting here is that the known reserve of oil / gas is now much higher than it was when the doom sayers started shouting 40 years ago. According to them we would have run out several decades ago
...had the 5l V8 running in the driveway for about half an hour earlier just to enjoy the sound :pac:Lotus Elan turbo for sale:
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