Hurling All Stars

Gerard.C

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2010/0924/hurlingallstars.html

Good showing by Tipp here, only Conor O Mahoney from the stating team wasnt nominated.

HurlyBurly

Full forward line picks itself, Mullane Eoin Kelly and Power.
Half forward line is guaranteed Noel McGrath and Lar Corbett so that leaves Henry, Eoin larkin and Damien Hayes fighting over the last spot.
Midfield will be Fennelly and probably Shane McGrath.

Centre back will be Brick(even though Mcrath destroyed him in the semi).
Leaving JJ, Tommy and Padraic Maher for the wing backs.

Full back line is a bit trickier. Id probably go Tyrell, Noel Connors and Michael Cahill.

Keeper should be Cummins.

Gerard.C

HurlyBurly wrote: »

Full forward line picks itself, Mullane Eoin Kelly and Power.
Half forward line is guaranteed Noel McGrath and Lar Corbett so that leaves Henry, Eoin larkin and Damien Hayes fighting over the last spot.
Midfield will be Fennelly and probably Shane McGrath.

Centre back will be Brick(even though Mcrath destroyed him in the semi).
Leaving JJ, Tommy and Padraic Maher for the wing backs.

Full back line is a bit trickier. Id probably go Tyrell, Noel Connors and Michael Cahill.

Keeper should be Cummins.

Brendan Maher has to get one for midfield, it will be a travesty if he doesnt

ShaneIRL

Prediction

Goalkeepers:
Brendan Cummins (Tipperary)


Full backs:
Jackie Tyrell (Kilkenny)
Noel Connors (Waterford)
Paul Curran (Tipperary)


Half backs:
Tommy Walsh (Kilkenny)
Pádraic Maher (Tipperary)
Declan Fanning (Tipperary)


Midfield:
Shane McGrath (Tipperary)
Brendan Maher (Tipperary


Half forwards:
Noel McGrath (Tipperary)
Henry Shefflin (Kilkenny)
Lar Corbett (Tipperary)


Full forwards:
John Mullane (Waterford)
Eoin Kelly (Tipperary)
Richie Power (Kilkenny)

yahoo_moe

HurlyBurly wrote: »

Midfield will be Fennelly and probably Shane McGrath.

Centre back will be Brick(even though Mcrath destroyed him in the semi).
Leaving JJ, Tommy and Padraic Maher for the wing backs.

I'm not getting all the Shane McGrath love (this year). He wasn't at the same level as last year and Maher was consistently better. If it's not Fennelly and Maher I'll be shocked.

Delaney and Tommy Walsh for wing backs I think. Padraic Maher had a great final but a shaky year overall (at senior), whereas the other two were supreme all year.

From a Dublin point of view, I'm really disappointed Joey Boland didn't get a nomination. For me, he was better than Gardiner, Regan (who was being cleaned out in the drawn game against Offaly until his man got injured) and Fanning.

Ollie Canning's nomination is ridiculous, retirement or not. Tyrrell and Connors are certs in the FB line but I'm not sure about the third. Dalton could even sneak it.

Peace

yahoo_moe wrote: »

From a Dublin point of view, I'm really disappointed Joey Boland didn't get a nomination. For me, he was better than Gardiner, Regan (who was being cleaned out in the drawn game against Offaly until his man got injured) and Fanning.

From a Dublin point of view i'm suprised Liam Rushe didn't get nominated.

thesultan

Gary Maguire should have gotten a shout

An Citeog

Peace wrote: »

From a Dublin point of view i'm suprised Liam Rushe didn't get nominated.

Really? I thought the Dublin forward line had a poor year. The only 2 Dublin players that may have been in with a shout for a nomination had they not lost to Antrim are Gary Maguire and Joey Boland.

yahoo_moe

Peace wrote: »

From a Dublin point of view i'm suprised Liam Rushe didn't get nominated.

Not for me. Didn't have as bad a year as some would probably say - but nowhere near All-Star nomination level.

Which of

Full forwards:
John Mullane (Waterford)
Eoin Kelly (Tipperary)
Richie Power (Kilkenny)
Shane Dooley (Offaly)
Patrick Horgan (Cork)
Joe Canning (Galway)
Liam Watson (Antrim)
Aidan Fogarty (Kilkenny)
John O'Brien (Tipperary)

would you put him ahead of?

Even within the Dublin full-forward line, Dotsy and McCrabbe (who played as much there as Rushe) had better years.

PTH2009

My allstars

1 Brenden Cummins (Tipperary)

2 Jackie Tyrell (Kilkenny)
3 Ollie Canning (Galway)
4 Paul Curren (Tipperary)

5 Tommy Walsh (Kilkenny)
6 Michael Walsh (Waterford)
7 Pauric Mahar (Tipperary)

8 Shane Mcgrath (Tipperary)
9 Brenden Maher (Tipperary)

10 Henry Shefflin (Kilkenny)
11 Noel Mcgrath (Tipperay)
12 Lar Corbett (Tipperay)

13 Eoin Kelly (Tipperary)
14 Richie Power (Kilkenny)
15 John Mullane (Waterford)

Gerard.C

Should Sheflin get one do ye think?

Utopia Parkway

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Ollie Canning's nomination is ridiculous, retirement or not.

Why exactly?

Apart from the first day against Offaly he was his usual excellent self. His brilliance is actually taken for granted at this stage.

yahoo_moe

Gerard.C wrote: »

Should Sheflin get one do ye think?

Yes. The one good thing that came from his breakdown in the final was that hopefully people will stop saying he's "just a freetaker" who doesn't bring anything to the team.

Utopia Parkway, we'll agree to differ so. I don't think he was up to his standards this year and looked a bit off the required pace at times. I was glad to hear he was retiring as I'd hate to see him finish by being destroyed/dropped.

Benny Cake

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Yes. The one good thing that came from his breakdown in the final was that hopefully people will stop saying he's "just a freetaker" who doesn't bring anything to the team.

Utopia Parkway, we'll agree to differ so. I don't think he was up to his standards this year and looked a bit off the required pace at times. I was glad to hear he was retiring as I'd hate to see him finish by being destroyed/dropped.

Get real lads, Shefflin has no right to an all star this year, sentimentality shouldn't come into it. He missed 60 mins of the all ireland final and went off injured in the semi.. Kilkenny only played 4 games and he missed 1.5 of them.

Gerard.C

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Yes. The one good thing that came from his breakdown in the final was that hopefully people will stop saying he's "just a freetaker" who doesn't bring anything to the team.

But does that actually earn him an all star? It is his performances this year and not his name that it is based on

Daysha

Was talking to Jamesie O'Connor earlier and this is the time he went for:

1 Og Cusack
2. Connors
3. Curran
4. Tyrell
5. Walsh
6. Brick
7. Delaney
8. Fennally
9. B. Maher
10. Hayes
11. N.McGrath
12. Corbett
13. Mullane
14. Kelly
15. Power

Hurler and Young Hurler of the Year: Brendan Maher

Apart from Maher getting both awards and Og Cusack on goal it's spot on imo.

yahoo_moe

Gerard.C wrote: »

But does that actually earn him an all star? It is his performances this year and not his name that it is based on

I didn't say that was why he deserved an All-Star... that was just an aside. I think he was worth it this year personally, a big part of why they were in the final at all. Which of the other nominees would you have ahead of him?

I actually don't think Cusack in goal is that bad a call. I expect Cummins to get it but he didn't have as many stand-out moments as in other years and conceded a fair few goals. His puck-outs have gotten a lot better though. But I think Cusack had a very good year and is ignored by a lot of people because they don't like him.

Gerard.C

yahoo_moe wrote: »

I didn't say that was why he deserved an All-Star... that was just an aside. I think he was worth it this year personally, a big part of why they were in the final at all. Which of the other nominees would you have ahead of him?

I actually don't think Cusack in goal is that bad a call. I expect Cummins to get it but he didn't have as many stand-out moments as in other years and conceded a fair few goals. His puck-outs have gotten a lot better though. But I think Cusack had a very good year and is ignored by a lot of people because they don't like him.

I'd have Lar, Noel McGrath and Damien Hayes in the half line and Kelly, Mullane and Power in the full. They have all had better seasons than Shefflin in my, and a fair few others opinion.

I dont think Cusack is ignored by people because they dont like him, where are you getting that one from? In fairness, his standout moment of the year was probably the goal Dan Shanahan put past him in Thurles, and he should have saved that really. Other than that all he did was pick the ball out of the net a few times against Kilkenny in the semi, where he made some woeful errors thinking back on it... He doesnt deserve an all star in my opinion

flahavaj

Gerard.C wrote: »

I'd have Lar, Noel McGrath and Damien Hayes in the half line and Kelly, Mullane and Power in the full. They have all had better seasons than Shefflin in my, and a fair few others opinion.

I dont think Cusack is ignored by people because they dont like him, where are you getting that one from? In fairness, his standout moment of the year was probably the goal Dan Shanahan put past him in Thurles, and he should have saved that really. Other than that all he did was pick the ball out of the net a few times against Kilkenny in the semi, where he made some woeful errors thinking back on it... He doesnt deserve an all star in my opinion

Agreed, he also conceded a goal from way out against Waterford from Kelly.

Cummins for me.

Henno30

1. Brendan Cummins

2. Noel Connors
3. Paul Curran
4. Jackie Tyrrell

5. Tommy Walsh
6. Brick Walsh
7. JJ Delaney

8. Brendan Maher
9. Michael Fennelly

10. Patrick Maher
11. Noel McGrath
12. Lar Corbett

13. Eoin Kelly
14. Richie Power
15. John Mullane

Paudie Maher the most unlucky to lose out in my selection. Can't believe lads are putting Shane McGrath in considering Fennelly roasted him in the final and had an outstanding year, whereas Shane McGrath was noticeably below par.

HOTY: Lar Corbett
YHOTY: Noel McGrath

jonnybravo

Henno30 wrote: »

1. Brendan Cummins

2. Noel Connors
3. Paul Curran
4. Jackie Tyrrell

5. Tommy Walsh
6. Brick Walsh
7. JJ Delaney

8. Brendan Maher
9. Michael Fennelly

10. Patrick Maher
11. Noel McGrath
12. Lar Corbett

13. Eoin Kelly
14. Richie Power
15. John Mullane

Paudie Maher the most unlucky to lose out in my selection. Can't believe lads are putting Shane McGrath in considering Fennelly roasted him in the final and had an outstanding year, whereas Shane McGrath was noticeably below par.

HOTY: Lar Corbett
YHOTY: Noel McGrath

Would agree with most of this team except Patrick Maher at 10 - probably go to Damien Hayes. Can't see Henry getting an All-Star - think a few others ahead of him. Paudie Maher unlucky to miss out all right but can't see them leaving Brick or the two KK players out and his lack of form in the earlier rounds especially against Cork will count against him. YHOTY for me has to be Brendan Maher - probably Tipps best player all year but Corbett will get the HOTY and had to argue after his final. Would probably have gotten it last year too if Tipp had of winning the final.

Anyone know how they could nominate Joe Canning for an All Star - some joke!!

MfMan

yahoo_moe wrote: »

I'm not getting all the Shane McGrath love (this year). He wasn't at the same level as last year and Maher was consistently better. If it's not Fennelly and Maher I'll be shocked.

Delaney and Tommy Walsh for wing backs I think. Padraic Maher had a great final but a shaky year overall (at senior), whereas the other two were supreme all year.

From a Dublin point of view, I'm really disappointed Joey Boland didn't get a nomination. For me, he was better than Gardiner, Regan (who was being cleaned out in the drawn game against Offaly until his man got injured) and Fanning.

Ollie Canning's nomination is ridiculous, retirement or not. Tyrrell and Connors are certs in the FB line but I'm not sure about the third. Dalton could even sneak it.

I think it's you that's ridiculous! have you seen his performances this year? He had a very tough time in the drawn game v Offaly leading to questions about his position being under threat. IN the replay he came out and gave an exhibition, particularly in the first half. Good v KK and excellent v Tipp, his (shamefully inflicted) injury arguably leading to Galway's defeat. I don't think he actually deserves an award but a nomination, most definitely.

MfMan

yahoo_moe wrote: »

I'm not getting all the Shane McGrath love (this year). He wasn't at the same level as last year and Maher was consistently better. If it's not Fennelly and Maher I'll be shocked.

Delaney and Tommy Walsh for wing backs I think. Padraic Maher had a great final but a shaky year overall (at senior), whereas the other two were supreme all year.

From a Dublin point of view, I'm really disappointed Joey Boland didn't get a nomination. For me, he was better than Gardiner, Regan (who was being cleaned out in the drawn game against Offaly until his man got injured) and Fanning.

Ollie Canning's nomination is ridiculous, retirement or not. Tyrrell and Connors are certs in the FB line but I'm not sure about the third. Dalton could even sneak it.

I think it's you that's ridiculous! have you seen his performances this year? He had a very tough time in the drawn game v Offaly leading to questions about his position being under threat. IN the replay he came out and gave an exhibition, particularly in the first half. Good v KK and excellent v Tipp, his (shamefully inflicted) injury arguably leading to Galway's defeat. I don't think he actually deserves an award but a nomination, most definitely.

cremeegg

in fairness the all stars are a bit of a cosy cartel

joe canning and henry sheflin dont really deserve a nomination. joke.

MfMan

Can't put the case forward for Shefflin but for JC, look at the years he's had;

best player by a mile in the club final, even though defeated; excellent league final v Cork; in c'ship, 1-2 v Wexford from play; 1-2 v Offaly drawn game + 2 sidelines, 1-2 in replay (+ superb 70-yard winning point from out near sideline); quiet game V kk in Leinster final, 0-2; quietish game v Tipp in 1/4 final.

Not deserving of an All Star, particularly by his standards, but to say his nomination is a joke is miles off.

cremeegg

MfMan wrote: »

Can't put the case forward for Shefflin but for JC, look at the years he's had;

best player by a mile in the club final, even though defeated; excellent league final v Cork; in c'ship, 1-2 v Wexford from play; 1-2 v Offaly drawn game + 2 sidelines, 1-2 in replay (+ superb 70-yard winning point from out near sideline); quiet game V kk in Leinster final, 0-2; quietish game v Tipp in 1/4 final.

Not deserving of an All Star, particularly by his standards, but to say his nomination is a joke is miles off.

perhaps a joke was harsh Mf man ..when you put the stats like this... no-one is doubting his incredible talent. I understood allstars were more or less based on championship.. and if so.. i dont think he stood out from any other galway forwards.. in the championship. i know he was being double marked etc...

flahavaj

I think Brendan Maher deserves the Youing hurler of the year mor than moel McGrath, purely on the fact that he's been concistently excellent all year wheras McGrath was brilliant in the semi and final but was very subdued up until then.

I really hope Noelie Connors gets an All Star, what a find he has been.

yahoo_moe

Are you from Galway by any chance, MfMan?

I'll take your word for it on the Offaly replay as I missed most of it. Basically I don't think he had an All-Star year so as long as he doesn't win, I guess it doesn't really matter.

More I think of it, Shefflin won't get the All-Star. I think he was really important in getting KK to the final but McGrath's semi-final performance and final goal (was he all that great otherwise in that match?) will get him there. Maybe fair enough too.

dastardly00

Daysha wrote: »

Was talking to Jamesie O'Connor earlier and this is the time he went for:

1 Og Cusack
2. Connors
3. Curran
4. Tyrell
5. Walsh
6. Brick
7. Delaney
8. Fennally
9. B. Maher
10. Hayes
11. N.McGrath
12. Corbett
13. Mullane
14. Kelly
15. Power

Hurler and Young Hurler of the Year: Brendan Maher

Apart from Maher getting both awards and Og Cusack on goal it's spot on imo.

I'm of the same opinion as Daysha, the team picked by Jamesie is pretty much spot on apart from Maher getting both awards and Og Cusack in goal.

From a KK point of view, I think that Tyrell, Walsh, Delaney and Fennelly should definitely get All-Stars. I'd be shocked if they didn't.

Power will probably get an All-Star also. The other KK players won't get All-Stars in my opinion. Dalton played very well this season but he is competing against Stapleton, Cahill, Connors for the other spot in the full-back line (Tyrell & Curran for the first 2 spots IMO). Rice played excellently when he was on the pitch but not starting the semi and the final is too much game time to miss to get an All-Star. Larkin was too poor earlier in the championship to get an All-Star, his best game was probably in the final. Fogarty had a very poor final and Reid wasn't consistent enough throughout the championship to get All-Stars.
And Shefflin, despite being the phenomenal player he is, missed nearly all the final and alot of the semi-final and there are other players that deserve to get an All-Star in the half-forward line ahead of him.

dastardly00

Hurler of the Year : Lar Corbett (Tipperary), Michael Fennelly (Kilkenny), Brendan Maher (Tipperary).
Young Hurler of the Year : Noel Connors (Waterford), Noel McGrath (Tipperary), Brendan Maher (Tipperary).


Maybe Lar for Hurler of the year, and Maher for Young Hurler of the year?

Gerard.C

I wouldnt be shocked if B Maher got the two awards, he was unreal this year

Mr. Guappa

I reckon Brick will get an all-star but I don't think he deserves one. He was class against a poor Cork team but he got roasted by Noel McGrath when it really mattered. Paudie Maher on the other hand started the year off very poorly but was outstanding in August & September when it really mattered, that should be the deciding factor IMO.

Also, Paddy Stapleton deserves one ahead of Tyrell. He is a great corner back who does the dirty work and keeps his man in check.

My team:

Cummins
Paddy Saint - Curran - Connors
T.Walsh - P. Maher - Delaney
Fennelly - B.Maher
Hayes - N.McGrath - Lar
Kelly - Power - Mullane

YHOTY - Brendan Maher
HOTY - Lar Corbett

adrian522

All star team mostly as expected

Cummins

Connors Curran Tyrell
Walsh Walsh Delaney
Maher Fennelly
Hayes McGrath Corbett
Mullane Power Kelly

HOTY: Corbett
YHOTY: Brendan Maher

irishh_bob

surprised no one has begun a thread on the all stars show this evening on rte

am i the only one who thought the opening dance thing was just plain weird , the term time and a place sprang to mind , the x factor isnt on till tommorrow evening

adrian522

Yeash, thought it was very strange, not to mention the 2 'comedians'

ShamoBuc

From RTE website..."Players from Tipperary, Kilkenny, Cork and Galway make up the entire 2010 GAA Hurling All-Star team" - RTE... nearly as accurate as Wiki !!

yahoo_moe

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

I reckon Brick will get an all-star but I don't think he deserves one. He was class against a poor Cork team but he got roasted by Noel McGrath when it really mattered.

Wasn't he being asked to drop very deep in that match and bail out the full-back line a bit though?

McGrath wasn't doing his damage "on" Walsh as such - the whole problem was they were hardly in the same areas of the pitch.

cremeegg

t walsh ..8 in a row... awesome...

JJ delaney

once in a generation players.

ShamoBuc

cremeegg wrote: »

t walsh ..8 in a row... awesome...

JJ delaney

once in a generation players.

twice...

Fentdog84

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Wasn't he being asked to drop very deep in that match and bail out the full-back line a bit though?

McGrath wasn't doing his damage "on" Walsh as such - the whole problem was they were hardly in the same areas of the pitch.

Brick is class, really nice guy I'd know him, delighted for him.

LeoB

I am really disappointed Gary McGuire didnt even get nominated. He is equally as good as any of the lads who were nominated but like the football awards if your not in the top 3 or 4 counties you wont get an award. That is not to say Cummins is not top class we all know he is class and has delivered for over a decade but it should not guarentee him award just becase Tipp won All-Ireland.

Henry Shefflin being nominated is also very questionable as he missed a large chunck of the year with injury

sportinglegend

LeoB wrote: »

Henry Shefflin being nominated is also very questionable as he missed a large chunck of the year with injury

I think this is a ridiculous comment to make Shefflin was immense in Ballyhale's run to the All-Ireland and was probably Kilkenny's best forward against Dublin and Galway. In the Galway game he was awesome his movement and direction of Kilkenny's play was breathtaking I thought not to mention his goal which was superbly taken.

In the Cork game he was the standout player on the pitch before he got injured, I would go as far as to say had he not got injured and continued that form he was heading in the direction of Hurler of The Year.

Regards Gary Maguire he was unlucky not to get a nomination however I felt Donal Og was the best keeper around this year but at the same time I wouldnt begrudge Cummins the award either. If I was a Dublin follower I would be more upset at Joey Boland not getting a nomination as I felt he was brilliant all year for Dublin and a player Dublin Should be looking to build their defense around.

LeoB

I dont think its questionable but thats just my opinion. He is without doubt one of the greatest Hurlers of our time if not all time but this alone should not get him nominated. It appears these awards are are mainly for the top 4 counties in any given year the All Ireland semi-finalists with an odd charitable one thrown in. I think he was nominated because he is always niminated and I think if you we revisit this year he was not the Henry we know.

Nobody in their right mind would begrudge Brendan Cummins and as I stated before he is playing well for 10 - 12 years. But despite how well he played this year I think McGuire was superb and rate him as highly as other Goalie but Dublin hurling does not have the profile of the Top 3 - 4 counties.

Maybe we should have another thread Entitled...................
What is the crieteria for for being nominated for an All-Star?

flahavaj

Neil de la Mare was heroic last night. That is all.