Is this a possible end to how current online piracy works?

SugarHigh · 22-09-2010 3:35pm #1

United States lawmakers have proposed new legislation today that would allow the Department of Justice to take over domain names of websites that promote copyright infringement. The proposed bill would allow for court orders against domestic as well as foreign sites, which could potentially shutter many torrent sites including The Pirate Bay.

http://torrentfreak.com/us-lawmakers...bsites-100920/

The fact they can also use this to shut down wikileaks means it will probably be passed.

Aside from the classic ‘pirate’ websites the proposed bill can be an effective tool to take the whistleblower site Wikileaks offline, the domain at least. After all, Wikileaks posted thousands of files that are owned by the United States.

I think piracy will always survive but it will have to change how the track files are distributed. To those who think that America won't have the power to shut down foreign websites you should realise that it's ICANN who regulates IP assignment and they're based out of California.I don't think they will shut down foreign websites lightly but wikileaks is surely doomed.

flyton5 · 22-09-2010 3:36pm

Take it to the nerd forum...

Black Swan · 22-09-2010 3:39pm

Pirating? "Why is there never enough rum?"

o1s1n · 22-09-2010 3:40pm

flyton5 wrote: »

Take it to the nerd forum...

Every forum is a nerd forum.

Jumpy · 22-09-2010 3:41pm

SugarHigh wrote: »

http://torrentfreak.com/us-lawmakers...bsites-100920/

The fact they can also use this to shut down wikileaks means it will probably be passed.

I think piracy will always survive but it will have to change how the track files are distributed. To those who think that America won't have the power to shut down foreign websites you should realise that it's ICANN who regulates IP assignment and they're based out of California.I don't think they will shut down foreign websites lightly but wikileaks is surely doomed.

Europe wont like this. They will just form their own regulator and root DNS servers. Everyone has been looking for an excuse to take the control away from the US for ages anyway. One country should not have the power to censor another in their own space.

GrizzlyMan · 22-09-2010 3:58pm

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Pirating? "Why is there never enough rum?"

mmmmmmm Morgan Spice!

Pauleta · 22-09-2010 4:04pm

The US department of justice has already seized tv shack and some other sites

Son Of A Vidic · 22-09-2010 4:09pm

flyton5 wrote: »

Take it to the nerd forum...

Are not your very actions nerd like?

Mrmoe · 22-09-2010 4:09pm

It is possible that it could be the end. However pirates have the intelligence and flexibility to out manoeuvre any government organisation so I do not think it would be long before someone found a work around solution.

SugarHigh · 22-09-2010 4:09pm

Pauleta wrote: »

The US department of justice has already seized tv shack and some other sites

I saw a moviewarez site get shut down by the FDA which just makes no sense at all.

ronkmonster · 22-09-2010 4:14pm

Use direct IP address to visit site?
it's only domains they can take control of

Jumpy · 22-09-2010 4:14pm

SugarHigh wrote: »

I seen

AAAAAARGH

phill106 · 22-09-2010 4:18pm

I do not recognise their authority...

phill106 · 22-09-2010 4:19pm

Jumpy wrote: »

Europe wont like this. They will just form their own regulator and root DNS servers. Everyone has been looking for an excuse to take the control away from the US for ages anyway. One country should not have the power to censor another in their own space.

Agreed, whats next? Someone doesnt agree with american policy, and their site goes down? Slippery slope!

digme · 22-09-2010 4:19pm

ronkmonster wrote: »

Use direct IP address to visit site?
it's only domains they can take control of

snake

digme · 22-09-2010 4:20pm

welcome to nazi germany the yanks have lost it

pwd · 22-09-2010 4:22pm

phill106 wrote: »

Agreed, whats next? Someone doesnt agree with american policy, and their site goes down? Slippery slope!

that's more or less what the op said would happen with wikileaks

tricky D · 22-09-2010 4:23pm

Jumpy wrote: »

AAAAAARGH

You're 3 days late.

CiaranC · 22-09-2010 4:24pm

Piracy isn't dependent on domain names. So no.

Overheal · 22-09-2010 4:25pm

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Pirating? "Why is there never enough rum?"

That was then. Nowadays its Pirating "Why is there never enough RAM?" pirating.

SugarHigh · 22-09-2010 4:27pm

Jumpy wrote: »

AAAAAARGH

It's ok pampers you can relax now, I've edited it.:D

phill106 · 22-09-2010 4:27pm

I see i shall be moving my online criminal empire to elbonia. Or kazikstan. North korea?
Im sure there are alot of countries that couldnt give a flying f*** about american laws. Is that now how the piratebay operates?

ronkmonster · 22-09-2010 4:49pm

phill106 wrote: »

I see i shall be moving my online criminal empire to elbonia. Or kazikstan. North korea?
Im sure there are alot of countries that couldnt give a flying f*** about american laws. Is that now how the piratebay operates?

But america currently host the Root DNS servers so they can stop the domains of any site. Regardless of where the actual web server is situated. You can still access it by IP

SugarHigh · 22-09-2010 4:49pm

phill106 wrote: »

I see i shall be moving my online criminal empire to elbonia. Or kazikstan. North korea?
Im sure there are alot of countries that couldnt give a flying f*** about american laws. Is that now how the piratebay operates?

Most Internet traffic goes through America so they could block all traffic going to these sites.

Blowfish · 22-09-2010 4:57pm

ronkmonster wrote: »

But america currently host the Root DNS servers so they can stop the domains of any site. Regardless of where the actual web server is situated. You can still access it by IP

They don't host anywhere near all of them, here's a map. About half of them are actually spread accross multiple continents so would be pretty much impossible for any one government to control.

ronkmonster · 22-09-2010 5:02pm

Blowfish wrote: »

They don't host anywhere near all of them, here's a map. About half of them are actually spread accross multiple continents so would be pretty much impossible for any one government to control.

But they control the root servers. Those servers are localised copies/backups of the main servers.

jimmycrackcorm · 22-09-2010 5:05pm

In the event that it does happen the pirates will still be able to use a fixed dns ip proxy to get round it.

Blowfish · 22-09-2010 5:25pm

ronkmonster wrote: »

But they control the root servers. Those servers are localised copies/backups of the main servers.

They use Anycast so they all update eachother, rather than one updating all of it's mirrors. It's deliberately designed that it isn't controlled from a small number of locations as that would be far too easy of a target, plus it would be a nightmare performance wise.

It's pretty easy too to run a local copy of the content in any case, afair it's less than 1mb of data.

Also, this is ignoring the fact that only a small percentage of requests actually make it as far as a root server.

ronkmonster · 22-09-2010 6:01pm

Blowfish wrote: »

They use Anycast so they all update eachother, rather than one updating all of it's mirrors. It's deliberately designed that it isn't controlled from a small number of locations as that would be far too easy of a target, plus it would be a nightmare performance wise.

It's pretty easy too to run a local copy of the content in any case, afair it's less than 1mb of data.

Also, this is ignoring the fact that only a small percentage of requests actually make it as far as a root server.

Yes but I was referring more that the USA are the administrators of the current system then how it works technically. This new proposed legislation just shows that it should be controlled by a group of countries rather than just the one that thinks it can apply its laws on others.

My name is URL · 22-09-2010 6:04pm

They've already seized some domains, tvshack.net was taken down a few weeks ago even though it was hosted in Sweden

strobe · 22-09-2010 6:11pm

My name is URL wrote: »

They've already seized some sites, tvshack.net was taken down a few weeks ago even though it was hosted in Sweden

But didn't tvshack pop back up about 36 hours later with a slightly different domain name and been running since with no problem? Watch-movies change their name slightly every 5 or 6 weeks and are never done for long. I really can;t see how this plan has any chance of working. If wikileaks goes down won't it just pop back up as wikileaks.cc or any other of a hundred different things a couple of hours later?

My name is URL · 22-09-2010 6:17pm

strobe wrote: »

But didn't tvshack pop back up about 36 hours later with a slightly different domain name and been running since with no problem? Watch-movies change their name slightly every 5 or 6 weeks and are never done for long. I really can;t see how this plan has any chance of working. If wikileaks goes down won't it just pop back up as wikileaks.cc or any other of a hundred different things a couple of hours later?

Aye, I hadn't realised it was back with a new domain! I'd say Wikileaks have planned for such eventualities in any case.. as someone else said, you'd still be able to connect through the IP address even if the domains were seized.

strobe · 22-09-2010 6:27pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Aye, I hadn't realised it was back with a new domain! I'd say Wikileaks have planned for such eventualities in any case.. as someone else said, you'd still be able to connect through the IP address even if the domains were seized.

Yeah I was just reading wikileaks wikipedia page and it says "the Chinese government currently attempts to censor every web site with "wikileaks" in the URL, including the primary .org site and the regional variations .cn and .uk. However, the site is still accessible from behind the Chinese firewall through one of the many alternative names used by the project, such as "secure.sunshinepress.org". The alternate sites change frequently, and WikiLeaks encourages users to search "wikileaks cover names" outside mainland China for the latest alternative names. Mainland search engines, including Baidu and Yahoo!, also censor references to "wikileaks".[68]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks#Chinese_censorship

So apparently they have been running rings around the great firewall of China for years as it is. Can't see the USA having any more luck.

Is this a possible end to how current online piracy works?

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