Rusted sky dish

pmcf

im just about to change the lnb on my sky dish to a quad lnb and looking at the dish i hadnt reliased how badly rusted its gotten im hoping the part that holds the lnb wont fall apart when i change it,if it does break would i be able to get sky to change my dish for free or would i have to pay for it ?

thomasking22008

depend how many year warrent year r u using. i use have sky dish too rust all time i change traix 70com anti rust dish is good can up to 7 to 9 yeah dish it cheaper to buy 70 euro buy it quad dish and wall bracket aswell

John mac

sky will charge €100 .

Zardoz

John mac wrote: »

sky will charge €100 .

Saucy .They should be grateful for the business,without a dish they would get nothing off their customer.
I was switching my single lnb to quad lnb but my dish is 11 years old ,so its Mk2 with the narrow feedarm so the quad wont fit ! Looks like I'll need a new dish .I wont be paying them 100 euro.I bet if I threaten to cancel they wont be long sending someone out for free.:)

John mac

is there an adaptor with the quad?

Zardoz

John mac wrote: »

is there an adaptor with the quad?

There is an adapter for Mk3 dishes but the arm on my dish is about 22x10mm ,too narrow.
Edit
Actually I just remembered I have a 40mm collar to minidish arm adapter in the garage that should do the trick with a bit of modding.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LNB-Holder-40mm-Adaptor-Sky-Minidish-Zone-1-2-/360198890837?pt=UK_ConEle_SatCableFreeview_RL&hash=item53dd86e555

snaps

Sometimes i reckon that sky use these cheap rust prone dishes for a reason...........€$€$£!!!

Think about it! Some dont even last a year next to the sea here in the west.

Zardoz

snaps wrote: »

Sometimes i reckon that sky use these cheap rust prone dishes for a reason...........€$€$£!!!

Think about it! Some dont even last a year next to the sea here in the west.

They are made of pure junk allright.
I cant see with their buying power why they cant use aluminium dishes or at least have a choice of a white or black dish.

12 element

Yeah they're pure crap with all them holes the paint hasn't a chance of keeping the rust away. You can't beat a good solid dish!

watty

Zardoz wrote: »

They are made of pure junk allright.
I cant see with their buying power why they cant use aluminium dishes or at least have a choice of a white or black dish.

Because the mesh are cheaper to make and less weight to ship, so cheaper again.

snaps

watty wrote: »

Because the mesh are cheaper to make and less weight to ship, so cheaper again.

And so you call them to get it replaced when it fails!!!!

Ive never seen mesh dishes abroad, apart from the UK.

Galway K9

Listen this has been tried by few i know and when they ask SKY say no but if you ask to go tpo cacellations, they wioll transfer ya and you will be asked why your cancelling, when they ask say that you werent offered a free dish so moving cable provider, after you saythis i almost garantee that they will give you the dish if your happy to stay with sky. They will do anything not to loose a contracted customer this also applies to boxes.

pmcf

glad its not just my dish thats rusting, ive only had the dish about year and a half and its pretty bad will probably fall to bits when i try and fit the quad lnb.
ill give them a call and see if i can get a free dish out of them if not then ill prob just cancel sky and just get another free sat box as im not paying another €100 for one of there crappy dishes.

watty

Wirebrush and lashings of hammerite if not actually rusted to bits.

lawhec

Live a bit more inland myself, so Sky dishes tend not to rust as easily. But I remember back in the 90's and the days of analogue that satellite dishes installed close to the coastlines were always more susceptible to rusting, some more than others. Salty sea air will attack quicker. Sky oval dishes are made by different manufacturers, but all are designed to look the same, some dishes may have better rust protection than others.

As for mesh, it is more for aesthetics. Mainly a UK & Irish phenomenon. In mainland Europe they seem to be happy with using solid dishes in most cases. In travelling about Australia a couple of years ago I didn't spot one mesh satellite dish. In North America, mesh dishes were about when C-Band satellite was popular. Ku-Band dishes for the likes of DirecTV tend to be solid however.

Some C-Band dishes across the world still use mesh to reduce visual impact, I remember when I was younger reading an American book on satellite dishes concerning an article about using mesh dishes designed for C-Band for Ku-Band services. General advice was that most wouldn't be suitable, the author said that under his tests, the holes in the mesh needed to be in diameter 1/10th or less of the wavelength of the signal to be received without starting to have significant losses.

12 element

lawhec wrote: »

As for mesh, it is more for aesthetics. Mainly a UK & Irish phenomenon.

I always believed that it was a weight and therefore a cost saving measure as watty mentioned.

UK and Ireland are both islands and it costs more to ship oversea, saying that I think most of the sky dish manufacturers have them made in China.

lawhec

12 element wrote: »

I always believed that it was a weight and therefore a cost saving measure as watty mentioned.

UK and Ireland are both islands and it costs more to ship oversea, saying that I think most of the sky dish manufacturers have them made in China.

I know that two of the dish manufacturers are Triax and Raven, not 100% sure what country they are made though.

12 element

lawhec wrote: »

I know that two of the dish manufacturers are Triax and Raven, not 100% sure what country they are made though.

Its safe enough to presume Triax make them in China anyway.

Kotek Besar

12 element wrote: »

UK and Ireland are both islands

:eek:

snaps

pmcf wrote: »

glad its not just my dish thats rusting, ive only had the dish about year and a half and its pretty bad will probably fall to bits when i try and fit the quad lnb.
ill give them a call and see if i can get a free dish out of them if not then ill prob just cancel sky and just get another free sat box as im not paying another €100 for one of there crappy dishes.

Contact an independent installer, they can supply solid dishes. When im ever out on the road, we fit solid 65cm as standard around Achill island and the mayo coasts here.

12 element

Kotek Besar wrote: »

:eek:

Great input. Thanks for quoting half of my sentence so that you can post a smiley!

I'd say a mesh dish wouldn't stand a chance on Achill! A fibreglass dish would be the best job but a good aluminium dish with all the proper hardware is a bit cheaper and nearly just as good.

watty

Even a properly painted solid steel. Mesh is worst. Impossible to seal.

Avoid fibreglass as many use mesh fibre and can rust internally faster than Sky Dish from one crack and often won't work on Ka Band.

I don't think Sky dishes will work on Ka either, holes slightly too big.

Liameter

People are confusing "mesh" with "perforated".

"Perforated" means solid with little holes stamped in it. This is purely cosmetic, although the hole punching tends to make the metal more pliable so it's easier to form the correct shape in a press tool. Perforations have hardly any effect on performance because the holes are much smaller than half a wavelength at KU frequencies. A properly painted perforated dish is generally as good as any solid dish. Unfortunately, many cheap perforated dishes are NOT painted properly and rust quickly. The answer is to paint it yourself (before it rusts) with a good quality primer and finishing coats designed for metal outdoors. You can choose colours that camouflage it against the background.

"Mesh" refers to a criss-cross pattern of wires. Fine mesh is usually used in fibreglass and Sheet Moulded Plastic dishes, because it allows the plastics to bond together. Fine mesh is not strong enough to form a dish by itself (except in the case of C-Band dishes, where the wire is about 10 SWG).

The Sheet Moulded Compound dishes made by "Channel Master" (now "Andrews Corp.") and the fibreglass dishes sold by Triax are generally very robust and reliable.

12 element

watty wrote: »

Even a properly painted solid steel. Mesh is worst. Impossible to seal.

Avoid fibreglass as many use mesh fibre and can rust internally faster than Sky Dish from one crack and often won't work on Ka Band.

I don't think Sky dishes will work on Ka either, holes slightly too big.

I don't know about triax or any other brands but Visiosat give a 10 year guarantee with their fibreglass dishes. You'd be doing well to crack one of them!

watty

Liameter wrote: »

People are confusing "mesh" with "perforated".

"Perforated" means solid with little holes stamped in it. T
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A properly painted perforated dish is generally as good as any solid dish. Unfortunately, many cheap perforated dishes are NOT painted properly and rust quickly. The answer is to paint it yourself (before it rusts) with a good quality primer and finishing coats designed for metal outdoors. You can choose colours that camouflage it against the background.

People here are talking about and mean Perforated when they say mesh. You are 100% correct. Sadly 99.99% of usage is to describe perforated as Mesh, so I try not to confuse people too much. I upset people already about "prime focus" dish/LNB discussion

The only time I've seen "properly" painted Sky dish is ones I painted. It's also much harder to truly seal. Fluidised Bed dip maybe?

Yes. The holes are small enough that not only are they look solid to Ku Band, it looks solid to wind also. I think they are too big for Ka Band.

Gal44

My sky went this week and when i went to check the dish its destroyed with rust, sky said they can send someone to look at it for 100euro but will they then charge me another 100+ to get a new dish then after they have looked at it? i cant even watch any programmes i have recorded .i have heard there is more weather proof dishes out there.. do they work for sky? and can you connect it to your original sky box and have all your details there? Thanks

Liameter

Any dish with a universal LNB will do. But you don't have to spend lots of money on a "seaside dish" that won't rust. Just get an ordinary dish and paint it with good outdoor paint. Protect bolt threads with grease and wrap brackets with Denso tape.

John mac

Gal44 wrote: »

My sky went this week and when i went to check the dish its destroyed with rust, sky said they can send someone to look at it for 100euro but will they then charge me another 100+ to get a new dish then after they have looked at it? i cant even watch any programmes i have recorded .i have heard there is more weather proof dishes out there do they work for sky and can you connect it to your original sky box? Thanks

ring them and cancel, when they ask why tell them the dish is gone. they Might send out a replacement without he charge.
have a look at this thread

brian_gall85

Don't take their ****. I asked to be out through to cancellations last Friday and hey presto I had a new box and dish installed for free yesterday morning by a very helpful "engineer" without question.

They wanted to charge me €250 for a new box and the installation, I got a refurb and the dish fitted for free plus €7.50 a month off the bill.