Dentists closing down.

res ipsa

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/health/2010/0921/1224279345754.html

chui

Sign of the times. sad to see that happening to any one.

res ipsa

he was on prime time last nite, close ups of matrix bands, alvogyl etc,showed him taking his degree of the wall.
Conor Pope on also slagging off the dental cuts.

TheUsual

res ipsa wrote: »

he was on prime time last nite, close ups of matrix bands, alvogyl etc,showed him taking his degree of the wall.
Conor Pope on also slagging off the dental cuts.

Dentists, Opticians and Pharmisicts have been living off the people like vampires for too long.
Obscence prices and flash lifestyles are gone now for Opticians ... good to see it happening with the rest of the gougers.

ballsymchugh

TheUsual wrote: »

Dentists, Opticians and Pharmisicts have been living off the people like vampires for too long.
Obscence prices and flash lifestyles are gone now for Opticians ... good to see it happening with the rest of the gougers.

make sure to close the door on the way out.

Big_G

TheUsual wrote: »

Dentists, Opticians and Pharmisicts have been living off the people like vampires helping people for too long.
Obscence prices and flash lifestyles are gone now for Opticians ... good to see it happening with the rest of the gougers.

Hopefully you'll never need the services of the above.

TheUsual

Hmm let me think.

Specsavers give the same 30 minutes job for 20% of the price. Hardly rocket science.

For a Dentist - Going to Northern Ireland of Eastern Europe with the same skills, charge you 25% of the price. The robbing Dentist I grew up with had his own yacht and was proud of it.

Pharmacy .. well I have never been in one thanks be to God. They sell pills that people don't need, in my opinion, and should be banned for selling anti-depressants to addicts.

davo10

TheUsual, off you go.

Nonoperational

Shocking stuff TheUsual. You have no idea what you are talking about and your making yourself sound very stupid. Embarrassing for you really.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

TheUsual wrote: »

Going to Northern Ireland of Eastern Europe with the same skills,

Ah you see this is not the case. Bon Voyage.

I would also point out that dentists and other professionals are small employers. Providing jobs and pumping money into local communities. The Schadenfreude leveled at professionals (who pay huge ammounts of tax into the irish system) will be returned by them all going to other countries (there skills are portable) and leaving this island, the tax net will widen, social welfare will be cut, services cut. This effects everyone. This short sighted live line mentality is so dumb it beggers belief.

BryanL

TheUsual wrote: »

For a Dentist - Going to Northern Ireland of Eastern Europe with the same skills, charge you 25% of the price. The robbing Dentist I grew up with had his own yacht and was proud of it.

Many large employers in Ireland agree with you, Dell, Pfizers, GSK Smithkline etc. etc.
No one in Ireland can charge the same as eastern Europe when the cost of living and working are so different.

What can you get in Ireland, that's a similar price to what it would be in eastern Europe?

Who should be allowed to own yachts?

eden_my_ass

Wasn't there another thread on this guy, and someone had dug up his declared income records which showed he was struggling well back in 2006 ever before the peak of the boom, so not really a victim of any current situation??

kmick

Let me say first off that I did like getting my free checkup every year. That said I know a dentist and his reason for getting into it "I cant wait to own a BMW".

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Every second car in Ireland is a BMW its not much of an aspiration. As for owning a yacht, fair play, he much have paid so much tax, and employed so many people (who purchase things, and houses and services), to afford that.

kmick

Fitzgeme the point is he would have been unable to employ these people without the subsidy he was getting from the govt. They were essentially civil servants. Now he has to live in the free market economy like the rest of us. Its hard to feel sympathy.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

AH well then that great news, nothing like a man with four children having to fold his business after 10 years of hard work. I suppose it was his fault for accepting medical card patients into his practice. :rolleyes:

There is no subsidy for dental work from the government. The medical card and PRSI schemes were on a fee per item basis. THey pay only for work done. Unlike a GP who gets money for patients on the book who may or may not attend.

He worked a goverment contract, thats all but gone. So now he has gone to another country, to pay tax there and employ people there. THere is no good in this for anyone in this country. The point is that this is a symptom of why your job will be next, or your benefits will be cut to the bone.....to pay for failed property speculation gambles by non professionals who make nothing and give nothing to the country.

kmick

Listen peoples businesses fail all the time. The withdrawal of the government contract just hastened the end in this case. People lose contracts all over Ireland all the time.

I have worked for the last 15 years in without subsidy from the government so dont worry about me. Panic is not useful. Renegotiate your loans, adjust your costs and pricing, do good quality work and you may survive until all this passes (which it will).

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Why then do the posters take such glee in this business failing, is it because its a professional?

carsfan

I don't understand why people seem to be pleased to hear of this closure.
From what I understand, the cuts to PRSI dental benefits initially affected him and then medical card cuts left private patients as his only real income source. There were not enough of these in the rural area he operated in.
The cuts to PRSI benefit is a disgrace as people have paid into this for years now they get nothing for this money.
Cuts to the medical card scheme seem to me to affect the people that need them the most yet there is no outcry as these people have no voice in the media. The only time you hear criticism of dental cutbacks is when orthodontic services are cut as middle class people baulk at paying out to straighten their kids teeth.
Instead of directing their anger at the dentist perhaps people should query the government that withdrew the service they have already paid for.
I presume that by closing this man has had to put staff members out of work which will cost the state more and in the long run if more dentists close there will be less choice,longer waiting lists and perhaps higher fees.
I saw this man on "primetime" and he didn't look like he was heading off to a yacht anytime soon.

TheUsual

Like I said before ... gougers.
Using people's fear of their health to make obscene profits is undefendable.
You can tell when people were making stupid money for a stupid job when it is opened up to market forces like Dentists, Opticians and Pharmacies. Suddenly they are all running around playing the victim card. I hate them.

ballsymchugh

TheUsual wrote: »

Like I said before ... gougers.
Using people's fear of their health to make obscene profits is undefendable.
You can tell when people were making stupid money for a stupid job when it is opened up to market forces like Dentists, Opticians and Pharmacies. Suddenly they are all running around playing the victim card. I hate them.

make sure you make your feelings known to your dentist the next time you go, when you'll have to pay 33 odd percent more since the prsi was withdrawn. what's stupid about it? would you prefer if the bill was separated into materials + labour like your average mechanic or plumber? you'd be paying more for your average work if you did.

ballsymchugh

/ thread.

this forum is for advice, not taking the piss.

TheUsual

ballsymchugh wrote: »

/ thread.
this forum is for advice, not taking the piss.

When Tesco, Boots or HMV are attacked for their prices then it is for the good of the public. But question the same profits of health professionals and it's time for "calling in the cavalry". I don't think they will ban me for speaking the truth. Again I say that anyone who complains loudly over cuts in profits has been making obscene profits for decades.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Right thats enough, THe Usual seeing as you hate dentists, and most of the free advice given on this forum (well the advice worth listening to anyway) is given by dentists maybe this forum is not for you. If you start this crap on another thread you will be banned.