Any Vinyl heads out there?

LaughOrDie

Does anyone know of any vinyl only labels? Or any sites that specialise in vinyl only releases?

dubsbhoy

discogs

Executive Steve

Loads of them, DMZ, Deep Medi, Valve, Non Plus+, Modulations, [nakedlunch], my own label Ancient Ways, I'm sure there's loads more.

TURRICAN

Juno records!

LaughOrDie

Hey Thanks for the replies and best of luck with the label Executive Steve

I was specifically looking for sites that specialise in vinyl only, in other words tunes you can only get on vinyl. I already shop on Juno.

dubsbhoy

After a long talk with myself i've decided to go back to vinyl. what shops in town (dublin) are selling vinyl ?

brianc27

dubsbhoy wrote: »

After a long talk with myself i've decided to go back to vinyl. what shops in town (dublin) are selling vinyl ?

recently started buying vinyl myself again, haven't shopped around dublin yet but have heard All City is good, best bet is to try discogs though, some older vinyls can be bought for as cheap as an mp3, ive got nearly 150 records in the last 2 months, nearly all of them from discogs.

Scubadevils

Yeah I must start buying on discogs again, it really is the cheapest option for 2nd hand stuff and getting what you want. The part that bugged me in the past was waiting for the record to arrive, some of them used to take feckin ages and drove me nuts waiting/wondering if it had got lost or if the person hadn't sent/ripped me off... probably also that I'm not known for my level of patience.

Scubadevils

LaughOrDie wrote: »

Hey Thanks for the replies and best of luck with the label Executive Steve

I was specifically looking for sites that specialise in vinyl only, in other words tunes you can only get on vinyl. I already shop on Juno.

Hardwax are pretty much vinyl only and a bloody good source at that too -

www.hardwax.com

I try not visit there myself too often due to the damage it causes to my credit card.

brianc27

Scubadevils wrote: »

Yeah I must start buying on discogs again, it really is the cheapest option for 2nd hand stuff and getting what you want. The part that bugged me in the past was waiting for the record to arrive, some of them used to take feckin ages and drove me nuts waiting/wondering if it had got lost or if the person hadn't sent/ripped me off... probably also that I'm not known for my level of patience.

how long ago is it since you bought of discogs? if im buying from england, im waiting no more then a week, from europe it can take a while longer, but in the last 2 months ive bought over 100 records off discogs from all sorts of people, all present and correct, alot of the discogs sellers are actual 2nd hand and new record shops, plugd records sell over discogs, with pretty much next day delivery.

Scubadevils

brianc27 wrote: »

how long ago is it since you bought of discogs? if im buying from england, im waiting no more then a week, from europe it can take a while longer, but in the last 2 months ive bought over 100 records off discogs from all sorts of people, all present and correct, alot of the discogs sellers are actual 2nd hand and new record shops, plugd records sell over discogs, with pretty much next day delivery.

Ages now, went through a spell I'd say four or five years ago or maybe even longer buying a lot on Gemm.com, discogs and Ebay... Gemm was great too actually, must have a wander around there again.

http://www.gemm.com

Yeah a week is fine from the UK, there were times though where it was over 2 weeks even from the UK, I'd be sweating by then and would have generally have sent an email to the seller - they always arrived though.. got ripped off once from a US Ebay seller with a really sh*t bootleg copy of what was described as an original.

The last while has been mainly CDs for listening and bought a lot on Amazon marketplace... in fact, way too much.

francois

Mainly discogs or gemm, though a lot of the dealers/sellers seem to double up on these sites. Ebay occasionally for the odd super-rarity if there is something I see on auction, though I'll only max my bid to about 90% of the price it is worth/available elsewhere. That being said I've picked up some excellent bargains on ebay by sorting the auctions by ending soonest, though I check the shipping as sometimes this really takes the piss
Discogs is great for "making an offer", picked up some great spacemen 3 and stereolab rarities, getting stuff at 50% of the asking price

hans aus dtschl

For me, it's usually hardwax, freebase or phonica. Not sure if any of them do digital too, but they all do vinyl.

Logical Fallacy

Okay, fill me in here, why would you want to buy something that is vinyl only specifically?

Is a good track not a good track regardless?????? I mean I understand the desire to buy vinyl, i do it myself, but the idea of not picking something up just because it has a digital release??? I don't get that bit....although i may be missing something obvious about vinyl collecting here.

Executive Steve

If anything there's plenty of tunes out there on Digital-only labels that are more than strong enough to justify a vinyl pressing but for which there is insufficient commercial demand.

Which is where dubstudio.co.uk comes in, of course.

Logical Fallacy

Executive Steve wrote: »

If anything there's plenty of tunes out there on Digital-only labels that are more than strong enough to justify a vinyl pressing but for which there is insufficient commercial demand.

Which is where dubstudio.co.uk comes in, of course.

Nice price there for a double sider! Cheers for the link man.

jtsuited

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Okay, fill me in here, why would you want to buy something that is vinyl only specifically?

Makes a lot of sense in the DJ context if you think about it. If it's vinyl only it means there are a finite amount of these records in existence. When you buy something that is from a vinyl run of say 300, you are in essence now part of a small circle of people who can play this record.

I would hope that of the 300 people that buy a record, nobody would be a fcuking dickhead enough to rip the thing and share it digitally, although often there's a dickhead in that limited circle who does decide to stick the fecking thing on rapidshare.

hans aus dtschl

I don't really worry about digital releases personally. If it's digital-only, I might lose out, but if it's THAT good, I'll bring serato with me. No big deal.

It doesn't tend to impact on my buying whether it's vinyl-only or digital & vinyl. Though as jtsuited mentioned, people do have their reasons: in some scenes, having a very rare cut is a big deal.

jtsuited

yeah i don't worry about if it's available on digital, but i have been dissappointed to see certain records go out on digital. Wax30003 was fairly surprising to see on beatport.

BaZmO*

Rarities used to do me head in and fill me with such joy in equal measures. It was great being the only person that had a copy of a track that everybody else wanted, but it'd be so frustrating trying to get your hands on something that you really wanted. I suppose it was something that a lot of DJs built their reputations on, having that ultimate collection of rare bangers that were collected over a very long time. Personally I was never one to pay over the odds for a record. I had friends that paid ridiculous amounts for a tune they were after. Crazy stuff, but there's was no other way to get your hands on it.

Zascar

jtsuited wrote: »

Makes a lot of sense in the DJ context if you think about it. If it's vinyl only it means there are a finite amount of these records in existence. When you buy something that is from a vinyl run of say 300, you are in essence now part of a small circle of people who can play this record.

Or in essence, to be 'Cool'!

Logical Fallacy

jtsuited wrote: »

Makes a lot of sense in the DJ context if you think about it. If it's vinyl only it means there are a finite amount of these records in existence. When you buy something that is from a vinyl run of say 300, you are in essence now part of a small circle of people who can play this record.

I would hope that of the 300 people that buy a record, nobody would be a fcuking dickhead enough to rip the thing and share it digitally, although often there's a dickhead in that limited circle who does decide to stick the fecking thing on rapidshare.

But does this not result in slightly less pop when the record is dropped, as a limited format release should effectively impact how well known the track is?

Sorry man, am full of my questions today.:)

jtsuited

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

But does this not result in slightly less pop when the record is dropped, as a limited format release should effectively impact how well known the track is?

well judging by the prices and popularity of some records on discogs (which is really our only empirical source for these types of things), if anything, the rarer the better (provided that it's in the right hands when it lands so to speak).

LaughOrDie

The main reason I'd be looking for vinyl only releases is mainly about money. I started buying MP3's for Traktor but still wanna continue buying vinyl. But I don't wanna buy something on vinyl that can be got on MP3 for cheaper unless it's a track that I just have to buy on vinyl.

With MP3s it means I can now be a lot more selective about what I buy on Vinyl.

So I'm gonna keep buying both but was interested about vinyl only labels. Just curiosity really.

jtsuited

From what I can gather, Kenny Dixon Jr used to literally press a handful of certain records for his local shop for years. Hence the reason why reissues are a feckin godsend to us new kids nowadays!!

Logical Fallacy

jtsuited wrote: »

well judging by the prices and popularity of some records on discogs (which is really our only empirical source for these types of things), if anything, the rarer the better (provided that it's in the right hands when it lands so to speak).

Tell me about it, was very surprised to track down a copy of a Smokin' Cheeba white label for only 20 bucks there yesterday. Having a taste for the old stuff is gonna be expensive.

jtsuited

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Tell me about it, was very surprised to track down a copy of a Smokin' Cheeba white label for only 20 bucks there yesterday. Having a taste for the old stuff is gonna be expensive.

I'm deliberately keeping away from discogs when my credit card isn't maxed due to the way the 'record buying devil' gets into my head and says things like '50 euro for that original press in near mint condition, you'd be a fool not to'.

dubsbhoy

StARTED on discogs yesterday........shocked at the price of the classics, i could spend a 1000 quid no bother.

Is there anyway of filtering search to people selling vinyl in Ireland ?

Would still like to get into a record shop and go through the ritual of sifting through a few tonne of vinyl if anyone can recommend any shops in dublin

seannash

so whats the most you fellas have spent on a track?

dubsbhoy

30 punts for .,...

Executive Steve

I'll say it again, just buy a FLAC or a Wav and use Dubstudio.co.uk or else Heathman's, Transition, Valve, Finyl Tweek or any of those other mastering / cutting places.

No dicking around with Serato, and you'll generally find you'll spend less than you would on an original vinyl pressing for a fresh mint condition copy that's personalised to you.

We cut dubplates of stuff we know won't be out for over a year or that we want to roadtest for potential release at a later date.

jtsuited

Executive Steve wrote: »

I'll say it again, just buy a FLAC or a Wav and use Dubstudio.co.uk or else Heathman's, Transition, Valve, Finyl Tweek or any of those other mastering / cutting places.

No dicking around with Serato, and you'll generally find you'll spend less than you would on an original vinyl pressing for a fresh mint condition copy that's personalised to you.

We cut dubplates of stuff we know won't be out for over a year or that we want to roadtest for potential release at a later date.

how long would a dublpate vinyl last Steve?

seannash

Executive Steve wrote: »

I'll say it again, just buy a FLAC or a Wav and use Dubstudio.co.uk or else Heathman's, Transition, Valve, Finyl Tweek or any of those other mastering / cutting places.

No dicking around with Serato, and you'll generally find you'll spend less than you would on an original vinyl pressing for a fresh mint condition copy that's personalised to you.

We cut dubplates of stuff we know won't be out for over a year or that we want to roadtest for potential release at a later date.

is this a legal grey area.

i mean would those companies turn you away if you didnt have permission.

Logical Fallacy

jtsuited wrote: »

how long would a dublpate vinyl last Steve?

There is a place called Curved that will do a one time vinyl pressing for you for about 60eu if you think a track is worth the cash.

I like that dubstudio link that Steve but up though, good prices.

Mala claims to have been playing out acetate dubplates for 4,5 years and not noticing the quality go.

jtsuited

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

There is a place called Curved that will do a one time vinyl pressing for you for about 60eu if you think a track is worth the cash.

I like that dubstudio link that Steve but up though, good prices.

Mala claims to have been playing out acetate dubplates for 4,5 years and not noticing the quality go.

Interesting. I have no particular interest in doing this type of stuff meself but it's good to know for future reference.

fatherbuzcagney

where is the best place to sell/advertise about 150 of the best old dance/trance/techno vinly, in a spare room for 10 years or so. any1 know/interested can pm me.

Executive Steve

seannash wrote: »

is this a legal grey area.

i mean would those companies turn you away if you didnt have permission.

Well put it this way, we've got CD-only tracks cut off CD compilations in the past where we own the CD and there's one tune that didn't make the cut for the vinyl pressing of said album or whatever and have got them cut without any questions asked, but we've also always chucked a mail over to the artist for politeness sake.

To be honest, in terms of piracy it may well be a bit of a legal grey area but it's a moot point, since the whole point of piracy is getting something for free or for cheaper than the original cost.

If you're selling a record, and I thief the MP3 then that's shameful piracy.

If I buy your MP3 (WAV ideally though) and then spend 30 notes getting it cut to a one-off dubplate pressing purely for me to play out with then it's not really the same thing, and given I could just burn a CD for 25 cent I've never encountered anyone who was anything less than flattered that I wanted to do it in the first place.

Executive Steve

jtsuited wrote: »

Interesting. I have no particular interest in doing this type of stuff meself but it's good to know for future reference.

Well given that you're a producer and you like your vinyl I would have thought it would be an excellent way to be able to road test a tune...

I also know heads who rather than relying on the likes of the Izotope Vinyl emulation mastering plugins etc just get a rake of samples and have them cut to a plate and then just re-record them back off the vinyl.

steo2009

hi try the dj shop in town its called sounds around

here a link to there site.

http://www.soundsaround.ie/

Executive Steve

All this music was designed for vinyl. That means it was equalised to get the most from an analogue reproductive system, powered by physical vibrations; it was planned and programmed to be heard on two sequential but self-contained sides, each with its own musical logic; it is housed in artwork scaled to a substantial 12" x 12", not in eye-straining 8 point type with no space for pictorial detail. And while CDs offer instant access to any track, sustain greater dynamic range, save storage space and eliminate the old bugbear of surface noise and scratches, they have reduced and narrowed the larger experience LPs offered when they were they still the primary gateway to recorded sound. Time passed and vinyl refused to die. What's a megacorporation to do? Reissue the cream of our classic titles in their original format of course. And while we're about it, release some new work in the old medium.

Vinyl is a ritual format - it needs careful handling, cleaning and looking after; it has character - every LP reproduces its own breathing, murmuring and hissing patterns inside the music as the needle moves along the groove. Over time they change. LPs demand attention, you don't throw them about, and you don't listen to them casually on the train or in the street. Or through earbuds. Or tiny speakers. They are a medium for high quality reproduction and focused listening. Of course not everyone wants to be bothered maintaining a personal and time-consuming relationship with the music to which they listen. These are for those who do. In 30 years most CDs will be too degraded to play. LPs preserve their contents for centuries and, since they are essentially mechanical, won't be rendered obsolete by the planned obsolescence of electronic replay technologies.