Schumacher to retire again???

Frank Bullitt

Lots of speculation coming out the past week that he is ready to take a back seat at Merc and Sutil will take over, I hope not though.

lord lucan

Eddie Jordan has being banging on about this for the last couple of races. His theory comes from seeing lots of comings and goings from the Mercedes motorhome!!

Tbh i'd be surprised if Schumacher didn't at least do another season. He'll have personal input into next years car and a season back in F1 behind him. He's not a quitter imo.

samsemtex

Gintonious wrote: »

Lots of speculation coming out the past week that he is ready to take a back seat at Merc and Sutil will take over, I hope not though.

Lots of speculation from Eddie Jordan and thats about it really. I cannot see Schumacher quitting. Why would he? He hasnt set the world on fire but the car just doesnt suit him at all. He cant get the tyres to work. Next year will have a car designed with him in the team and there will be completely new tyres. Apparently the current bridgestones are a very unusual design and very unlike any other kind of racing slicks. He's had a huge amount of changes to deal with this year in a car that is fundamentally opposed to his preferences.

I think next year in a car that suits him a bit better with tyres that are new to everyone will be a better season. He has nothing to lose by waiting.

And as Lord Lucan says, i really dont see Schumacher as a quitter. He just never gives up.

On another note, people dont seem to realise how much a driver can struggle in a car that doesnt suit him. Button was absolutely destroyed by Fisichella in 2001. He was outqualified in nearly every race and he finished behind him in EVERY race they both finished. He just couldnt drive that car. Now i dont think many people think Fisi is better than Button but it shows that if a car doesnt suit you then sometimes you just wont get it to work no matter how hard you try. that's why i think he should be given another year.

bullmccabe2010

Schumacher is just biding his time and with the right car will be World Champion in 2011!

Stevegeraghty

I'd be surprised if he doesn't finish the season, but if sutil goes to merc I think it reinforces my theory of chandok going to force India next year,I think VJ would love the idea of an Indian driver in the team for the first Indian gp:D

Could you imagine if he made the podium :eek::eek:

samsemtex

Stevegeraghty wrote: »

I'd be surprised if he doesn't finish the season, but if sutil goes to merc I think it reinforces my theory of chandok going to force India next year,I think VJ would love the idea of an Indian driver in the team for the first Indian gp:D

Could you imagine if he made the podium :eek::eek:

I genuinely think replacing Schumacher with Sutil would be one of the worst moves in history. Sutil struggled against Fisichella last year. Fisichella! The barometer of "quite good, but definitely not top class". If he struggled against Fisi at the end of his career, what makes people think he is something special now?

Secondly, I dont think Mallaya and Chandhok get on. Mallaya last year said that he doesnt think Chandhok (or any other Indian) is good enough for F1.

Stevegeraghty

Tbh I doubt he'll walk away mid season,I don't think he has it in him to quit,but at the same time I don't think he'll be there next year.

I agree that sulil isn't good enough but if merc want to keep it German I don't see what choice they have unless they bring in someone new,vettle won't move (even though he is having a tough year) and I can't see Hiendfield movin from souber again. I'd pick sutil over hulkinberg for experience any day

As for karun,he'll be back in a car next year,he's doin so much pr at the mo he'll have much better financial backing next year,IMO he should never have lost his seat in the first place


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thegoth

samsemtex wrote: »

I genuinely think replacing Schumacher with Sutil would be one of the worst moves in history. Sutil struggled against Fisichella last year. Fisichella! The barometer of "quite good, but definitely not top class". If he struggled against Fisi at the end of his career, what makes people think he is something special now?

Secondly, I dont think Mallaya and Chandhok get on. Mallaya last year said that he doesnt think Chandhok (or any other Indian) is good enough for F1.

I agree with this but Chandhok did okay this year. He has been the best of all the HRT drivers especially considering the limited amount of time he has had in the car. I think Chandhok and either Sutil or DiResta would be a good line up for force india, or Sutil and DiResta

Stevegeraghty

It's hard to say who is quicker,karun or senna,but I think both of them will be there next year!

Glock would be worth thinking about for merc,he has always been quick

RayM

samsemtex wrote: »

On another note, people dont seem to realise how much a driver can struggle in a car that doesnt suit him. Button was absolutely destroyed by Fisichella in 2001. He was outqualified in nearly every race and he finished behind him in EVERY race they both finished. He just couldnt drive that car. Now i dont think many people think Fisi is better than Button but it shows that if a car doesnt suit you then sometimes you just wont get it to work no matter how hard you try. that's why i think he should be given another year.

I agree with this. It's easy to forget that the Mercedes car was designed at a time when it appeared certain that Jenson Button would be driving it. It would probably be impossible to find two more different drivers than Button and Schumacher. Button can't actually drive a twitchy, over-steering car and Schumacher has difficulty with - and has rarely experienced - an under-steering one.

Also, consider the fact that all of Schumacher's titles were won in cars which were designed entirely around his style and various idiosyncrasies. That's not a criticism, by the way - His erstwhile ability to dominate a team in such a way is all part of what made him (arguably) the greatest overall F1 driver of all time.

I'd like to see him being given another year, but I don't think it'll happen. I doubt that Eddie Jordan's 'hunch' is based solely around the comings and goings at the Mercedes motorhome. I reckon he actually knows something...

If Rosberg was actually a great potential champion, Sutil might be a good 'number 2', capable of the odd podium and hoovering up a decent number of constructor's points. Not a particularly exiting line-up though.

Stevegeraghty

RayM wrote: »

Not a particularly exiting line-up though.

They are german;):D:D

GTE

Oh my, any speculation based on Eddie Jordans opinion is not something to take too seriously. He is such a soap star **** stirrer.

It wouldnt make sense for MSC to retire at the end of this year.

Under no realistic circumstances could MSC have done brilliantly well this year. He was always going to have to struggle to get to grips with F1 again. This year he had the added and by last years standards unexpected crap car so its making it more difficult. If Mercedes can sort out the car for next year or just as another example if he moved back into a Ferrari I think we would see whole new MSC compared to this year or to put it another way the old MSC would be back.

Next year will be the key though.

amacachi

samsemtex wrote: »

I genuinely think replacing Schumacher with Sutil would be one of the worst moves in history. Sutil struggled against Fisichella last year. Fisichella! The barometer of "quite good, but definitely not top class". If he struggled against Fisi at the end of his career, what makes people think he is something special now?

Well by that same logic Fisichella was a couple of seconds a lap slower than Raikkonen in the Italian Grand Prix last year despite the car "being" almost as fast as the Force India he was used to. Different strokes and all that. All through the years there have been drivers who weren't great at car set-up or couldn't get the absolute most out of certain cars despite being excellent in other particular cars.

vectra

Time to Call Kimi in again to replace Mikey :pac:

Frank Bullitt

vectra wrote: »

Time to Call Kimi in again to replace Mikey :pac:

Its time for another good idea,bad idea.

vectra

Gintonious wrote: »

Its time for another good idea,bad idea.

Was it a bad idea in 07 when Kimi pulled off the Title?

Frank Bullitt

vectra wrote: »

Was it a bad idea in 07 when Kimi pulled off the Title?

You need to stop living in the past.

vectra

Gintonious wrote: »

You need to stop living in the past.

Suggest that to Schumacher

EvilMonkey

vectra wrote: »

Was it a bad idea in 07 when Kimi pulled off the Title?

Ferrari wont admit it publicly but privately i think they might regret pushing Schumacher out in 06.

vectra

EvilMonkey wrote: »

Ferrari wont admit it publicly but privately i think they might regret pushing Schumacher out in 06.

Why do you say that??
Did they want to have some worse seasons than they already have had??:D

EvilMonkey

vectra wrote: »

Why do you say that??
Did they want to have some worse seasons than they already have had??:D

Because Kimi didn't work out long term for them. They wanted another multi year world champion. They won one, i think they could have done that with Schumacher.
And now he has gone to merc they cant really use him for Ferrari marketing/PR anymore. I don't think he would have come back if he spent a few more years at Ferrari.

Iron Hide

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Because he is miles better than Massa and a better overall package than Alonso.

Speaking of Massa, i wonder will he be at Ferrari next year, i know its his first season back after a near career-ender, but he hasn't raced well at all. But i reckon its probably cheaper and easier for Ferrari to keep him rather than bring in say, Kubica who will demand quite some money and will be well able to race Alonso and tell management to politely f**k off if/when they tell him "Fernando is faster than you".

Anyways back ot, doubt schumi will retire, the car is gonna be built to his specs next year, if anything Rosberg may be under the thumb a bit and will have to do as Lords Schumi and Brawn order him to!

vectra

Red Storm wrote: »

Anyways back ot, doubt schumi will retire, the car is gonna be built to his specs next year, if anything Rosberg may be under the thumb a bit and will have to do as Lords Schumi and Brawn order him to!

Thee is something I agree 100% with.

EvilMonkey

I think he will wait until winter testing, if the car feels crap he will walk If he is happy with the car he will stay.